Liberty
Well-Known Member
I've taken the V-Tower up to its max temperature (260 C I think) and have never had any catch fire (or smolder).
Kommyknocker
Well-Known Member
Combusted with my E blowing a cyclone bag at 260c on Fan 3.
Ruined bag, newbie mistake!
Ruined bag, newbie mistake!
m0sh
Singer Song Writer Stoner
Liberty
Well-Known Member
I know but in that temp its not really healthy
Why is that?
kingofnull
ace
I know but in that temp its not really healthy
I like to stay at 200C with elbow
I think it's fine filtered through water.
I often vape at 260 and all seems o.k....although I have only been vaping for a couple of weeks.
This is my routine and I would love to know if this is the correct way to vape or wether it's all wrong, because as said above I've only been at this a couple of weeks...and have yet to experience a truly satisfying vape.
1) I switch the unit on and set to 240 and allow to warm for 15-20 mins or so.
2) While the unit warms I'm grinding my herb...which by the way is generally mediocre, not total rubbish but not grade A either, I used to grow my own a few years back and tbh most dealers weed here in the U.K cant compare when you have grown your own.
3) So after the warm up period and grind, I pack the elbow bowl and connect the bag and place the elbow into the cyclone bowl and turn the temp down to 210-220 and allow the herb to percolate I think is the term...(warm through for a couple of minutes).
4) I then switch the fan on at number 1 and have the temp at 210-220 and allow the bag to partially fill at this temp, then I increase the temp up in 10's (210, 220, 230 etc) allowing a few moments at each temp all the way up to 260.
5) Then after the first bag is filled I remove the bag (obviously) and remove the elbow but I keep the unit on. After I have used the first bag I re-grind the initial herb and re-load back into the elbow and go through the process again.
How would this compare to the routine you guy's use ?
The reason I'm asking is...as I read my way through this thread from start to finish I have read of guy's getting huge plooms of vapour and getting numerous bags from 1 packed elbow joint ?
As I said above I'm yet to get a really satisfying vape, I'm only getting 1 semi decent bag and another bag of fairly light vapour from an elbow bowl pack...is it just that I'm new to vaping and still expecting the same vapour/smoke as I would get from combusting...is it my vaping routine highlighted above or is it the quality of the bud that is letting me down ?
This is my routine and I would love to know if this is the correct way to vape or wether it's all wrong, because as said above I've only been at this a couple of weeks...and have yet to experience a truly satisfying vape.
1) I switch the unit on and set to 240 and allow to warm for 15-20 mins or so.
2) While the unit warms I'm grinding my herb...which by the way is generally mediocre, not total rubbish but not grade A either, I used to grow my own a few years back and tbh most dealers weed here in the U.K cant compare when you have grown your own.
3) So after the warm up period and grind, I pack the elbow bowl and connect the bag and place the elbow into the cyclone bowl and turn the temp down to 210-220 and allow the herb to percolate I think is the term...(warm through for a couple of minutes).
4) I then switch the fan on at number 1 and have the temp at 210-220 and allow the bag to partially fill at this temp, then I increase the temp up in 10's (210, 220, 230 etc) allowing a few moments at each temp all the way up to 260.
5) Then after the first bag is filled I remove the bag (obviously) and remove the elbow but I keep the unit on. After I have used the first bag I re-grind the initial herb and re-load back into the elbow and go through the process again.
How would this compare to the routine you guy's use ?
The reason I'm asking is...as I read my way through this thread from start to finish I have read of guy's getting huge plooms of vapour and getting numerous bags from 1 packed elbow joint ?
As I said above I'm yet to get a really satisfying vape, I'm only getting 1 semi decent bag and another bag of fairly light vapour from an elbow bowl pack...is it just that I'm new to vaping and still expecting the same vapour/smoke as I would get from combusting...is it my vaping routine highlighted above or is it the quality of the bud that is letting me down ?
Liberty
Well-Known Member
A couple of suggestions: First, try filling each bag at the same temperature. On the Vaporpedia page, I think the recommended starting point for mids is 220 C. Then, for each subsequent bag increase the temperature by 5-15 C. Second, once you get two bags out of that elbow pack, blow the material out of the elbow into the cyclone bowl and increase the temp up to 240 C and blow another bag on the lowest fan setting. Finally, on your first bag, use the highest fan setting because a faster air stream means a cooler vaporization temperature. Increase the fan speed on each subsequent bag.
kingofnull
ace
Turn on machine, set it to desired temperature.
Connect Cyclone bowl and Elbow/whip.
Turn fan to 1.
Grind herbs.
Put first elbow screen in whip and suck up ground herbs.
Put second elbow screen inside first elbow screen and remove both screens attached.
When temperature has been reached, turn off fan and replace BOTH elbow screens into the elbow/whip.
Vape away.
Adapt for waterpipe/bag use as you see fit.
This technique allows me to remove my herb for a stir, while keeping the unit at the desired temperature. Also, I can use very small efficient loads of flowers.
Connect Cyclone bowl and Elbow/whip.
Turn fan to 1.
Grind herbs.
Put first elbow screen in whip and suck up ground herbs.
Put second elbow screen inside first elbow screen and remove both screens attached.
When temperature has been reached, turn off fan and replace BOTH elbow screens into the elbow/whip.
Vape away.
Adapt for waterpipe/bag use as you see fit.
This technique allows me to remove my herb for a stir, while keeping the unit at the desired temperature. Also, I can use very small efficient loads of flowers.
Liberty
Well-Known Member
So, do you put your elbow screen "sandwich" of flowers into the cyclone bowl or in the elbow as one screen normally sits in there?
By the way, very cool idea.
Liberty
Well-Known Member
I only have the V-Tower, but I think this is true with the Q as well: with mids, I've found putting a load into the cyclone bowl and vaping at a lower temperature (180-190 C) is more satisfying than elbow packing. I would guess that a "load" is between 1/3 to 1/2 of the way up to the black heat cover on the cyclone bowl.
I still follow the same procedure of increasing the temperature 5-15 C once the hits become lighter when I use the cyclone bowl.
After re-reading your post liberty I'm a little confused as to exactly what you mean...lol.
It was your statement of - "Finally, on your first bag, use the highest fan setting because a faster air stream means a cooler vaporization temperature. Increase the fan speed on each subsequent bag."....that confused me slightly.
I think I follow as to what you mean but it would be great if you could clarify to me that I'm following correctly.
After your first bag from the elbow you step up the heat by 10-15 C and blow another bag.
Then you dump that ABV into the cyclone bowl and set the temp to 240 and blow another bag on low fan...after that I'm slightly confused.
Liberty
Well-Known Member
You're confused because I wrote INCREASE when I meant DECREASE. Thanks for catching my mistake.
Thanks Liberty, that's what I done on my first go with the Q and tbh I wasn't impressed using the cyclone bowl...but I don't think I let the unit heat up enough, I then read further into this thread and discovered the elbow packing technique and have not used the cyclone since.
What I'm after is - A couple of years back me and the Mrs went to Amsterdam for a couple of days and we were in a coffee shop where they had bong vapes...this was the very first vaping experience I had had.
At first I never had a clue exactly what to do...I just crumbled some weed by hand into the bowl placed the heating element on top and pulled, needless to say I never got much.
So the guy behind the counter obviously noticed that I never knew what to do so he came over and showed me that I had to grind up the herb etc and the very next pull I was blowing clouds of vaper...it was un-real.
This is what I was expecting from the Q....obviously quality of weed plays a part in this too.
What I'm after is - A couple of years back me and the Mrs went to Amsterdam for a couple of days and we were in a coffee shop where they had bong vapes...this was the very first vaping experience I had had.
At first I never had a clue exactly what to do...I just crumbled some weed by hand into the bowl placed the heating element on top and pulled, needless to say I never got much.
So the guy behind the counter obviously noticed that I never knew what to do so he came over and showed me that I had to grind up the herb etc and the very next pull I was blowing clouds of vaper...it was un-real.
This is what I was expecting from the Q....obviously quality of weed plays a part in this too.
Liberty
Well-Known Member
You can DEFINITELY blow clouds of vapor with the Q or the V-Tower (Q without a fan). Just a couple of weekends ago my wife and I had another married couple over before we went out to dinner. I loaded one elbow pack, we finished it, and then, I loaded the cyclone bowl with mids and some homemade hash. We didn't even end up finishing the bowl. The other couple are daily tokers and did not have any experience using a vaporizer. We all blew clouds up until everyone had had enough.
I did a quick Google search and found this:
kingofnull
ace
Exactly. I acts as sort of a heat sink - the herb browns a little more evenly. And like I mentioned earlier, you can easily remove the screen sandwich for stirring, while keeping the elbow and cyclone nice and hot.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
harmudge...if you are this new to vaping I suggest getting some of the basics down first. imo, the E is best learned in the following order:
1 -- bags with the cyclone bowl
2 -- whip with the cyclone bowl
3 -- whip with elbow pack
4 -- bag with elbow pack (if you even want bags anymore after using the whip)
obviously you can do whatever you want, but this puts things in like a building block order of operations. bags are easy. the whip takes a little practice at first, but gets you ready for what the elbow needs as far as methodolgy and understanding. elbow packs are kind of advanced. not that they are hard, but you get better results when you understand what is going on and how to maximize the method.
as far as vaping goes vs smoking, yes you need to change your expectations. you will never get as thick a hit or as quick a rush with vaping as you would smoking. but the high is cleaner and stronger and lasts longer. and it comes on just a little bit slower. i ususally tell people new to vaping to give it ten minutes or so after the first hit or two and then tell me if you really need more.
1 -- bags with the cyclone bowl
2 -- whip with the cyclone bowl
3 -- whip with elbow pack
4 -- bag with elbow pack (if you even want bags anymore after using the whip)
obviously you can do whatever you want, but this puts things in like a building block order of operations. bags are easy. the whip takes a little practice at first, but gets you ready for what the elbow needs as far as methodolgy and understanding. elbow packs are kind of advanced. not that they are hard, but you get better results when you understand what is going on and how to maximize the method.
as far as vaping goes vs smoking, yes you need to change your expectations. you will never get as thick a hit or as quick a rush with vaping as you would smoking. but the high is cleaner and stronger and lasts longer. and it comes on just a little bit slower. i ususally tell people new to vaping to give it ten minutes or so after the first hit or two and then tell me if you really need more.
Many thanks for the words of wisdom sticksstones.
When I've been using the cyclone bowl in the past I find that my herbs fly about every time I pulled on the whip...is that supposed to happen ?...or would I be best doing as kingofnull does and make a sandwich with screens so that everything stays in place ?
kingofnull
ace
The flowers are supposed to blow around inside the bowl, that's why they call it the Cyclone bowl. However the Cyclone bowl is only really good if you fill it a reasonable amount. I've found anything under half filled is better used in an elbow pack. The Cyclone requires the least amount of stirring/repacking, because the cyclone effect pretty much does it for you.
The screen sandwich technique is mostly for small bowls, but it works incredibly well for it's intended purpose. It does need to be stirred between hits for a good even roast. This is the method I use 90 per cent of the time. I find it far more efficient, and the clouds are generally much larger/denser than with the Cyclone bowl using similar amounts of herb.
Thanks kingofnull....could you just clarify for me....your screen sandwich method :-
Your using the cupped screens from the elbow joint and not the flat screens that are in the cyclone bowl.
Your first inserting one cupped screen into the glass elbow and filling....(are you packing this screen to the brim ?)...and then you are placing another cupped screen on top of your herb that has already filled the first cupped screen that is already in the glass elbow....are you placing this second cupped screen with the base of the screen down on top of the herb so it packs in more tightly or are you placing this second cupped screen with the screens opening towards your herb.
Once you have got your screen sandwich together you are then removing the sandwich from the glass elbow and allowing the unit to warm, once up to temp you are then re-inserting the two cupped screen sandwich back into the glass elbow and then filling your bags or pulling on your whip.
Sorry to make this more complicated than what it really is...lol....but the thing that I can't get my head around is...if you are doing as I have wrote above and using the glass elbow and cupped screens...and not placing the cupped screen sandwich into the cyclone bowl what's to stop the second cupped screen from falling off the sandwich as soon as you turn the glass elbow upside down to insert into the top of the cyclone bowl ?
Your using the cupped screens from the elbow joint and not the flat screens that are in the cyclone bowl.
Your first inserting one cupped screen into the glass elbow and filling....(are you packing this screen to the brim ?)...and then you are placing another cupped screen on top of your herb that has already filled the first cupped screen that is already in the glass elbow....are you placing this second cupped screen with the base of the screen down on top of the herb so it packs in more tightly or are you placing this second cupped screen with the screens opening towards your herb.
Once you have got your screen sandwich together you are then removing the sandwich from the glass elbow and allowing the unit to warm, once up to temp you are then re-inserting the two cupped screen sandwich back into the glass elbow and then filling your bags or pulling on your whip.
Sorry to make this more complicated than what it really is...lol....but the thing that I can't get my head around is...if you are doing as I have wrote above and using the glass elbow and cupped screens...and not placing the cupped screen sandwich into the cyclone bowl what's to stop the second cupped screen from falling off the sandwich as soon as you turn the glass elbow upside down to insert into the top of the cyclone bowl ?