Multi-brand Xmax V3Pro vaporizer, convection, on-demand&session.
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I just received my V3 pro with the glass mouthpiece, and I can't wait to try it.
Quick question: how does the glass mouthpiece come apart? Do you just pull on the metal filter and silicon surround until it comes out? Push through the top of the mouthpiece? Pull out the glass first? The filter and ceramic piece come out of the stock mouthpiece fairly easily, but the silicon surround is a bit smaller in the glass mouthpiece.
Also, how much does the unit smell after it has been used a few times? I've seen the back and forth on cleaning dos and don'ts and ISO
Quick question: how does the glass mouthpiece come apart? Do you just pull on the metal filter and silicon surround until it comes out? Push through the top of the mouthpiece? Pull out the glass first? The filter and ceramic piece come out of the stock mouthpiece fairly easily, but the silicon surround is a bit smaller in the glass mouthpiece.
Also, how much does the unit smell after it has been used a few times? I've seen the back and forth on cleaning dos and don'ts and ISO
vapviking
Old & In the Way
Yes, or pull using the glass. Once it's out you can remove the glass then push the screen thing out from behind.
If you can get the screen out first, the silicone does remove more easily.
In reassembly, wait til last to put screen in.
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
Hmm, actually I want a 14mm all glass chamber/mouthpiece assembly. That doesn't seat silicone against hot SS.
I tried the Glass Adapter after only using my above-chamber-sealing Fury 2 WPA mods, I prefer the mods. Easier to load/empty, still get same size hits and multiple per chamber, keeps everything cleaner. I can load up both and get many proper bong hits by hot swapping to the new chamber, it's great.
I don't understand what you mean by stealth mouthpiece? The device size isn't really fitting for stealth, although it kind of looks like an ecig.
There is definitely a huge gap in the market for a device that operates like this one that is truly high end.
There is nothing wrong with offering something for everyone. It's a good goal for TopGreen, which is reasonably already achieved. You can keep a budget fleet and still offer a GT model.
The next goal should be to dethrone the big names who spend on quality material but otherwise offer boring alternatives.
This is why I stuck with the Hopper for so long, it's closer to a high-end high performance ultra portable convection 14mm slide, and actually my Ti io started heating again and is interesting to compare with the V3 Pro. It runs laps around it even in it's partially working state.
If you bump up the temp, rid the plastic and other nasty materials and package with isolated airpaths and inert, robust materials, you can charge as much as you want, as this necessary item isn't properly offered by anyone which is a bad joke at this point.
I agree with MoltenTiger, a convection device with no plastic or silicone in the air path would be great. I assume that having metal to metal contact (or glass to metal contact) (i.e. between a mouthpiece and body) that seals adequately without a gasket is a challenge, but that would improve taste and ease of cleaning.
I bought the Linx Eden for just this reason to replace my Edge, but unfortunately the draw on the Eden is very restricted. A Tinymight replaced the Eden, and that works great but with a protruding glass stem, I don't really consider it portable.
I bought the V3 Pro with a glass mouthpiece in the hopes that the silicone in the mouthpiece is not really in the air path and won't affect taste over time. We'll see!
I bought the Linx Eden for just this reason to replace my Edge, but unfortunately the draw on the Eden is very restricted. A Tinymight replaced the Eden, and that works great but with a protruding glass stem, I don't really consider it portable.
I bought the V3 Pro with a glass mouthpiece in the hopes that the silicone in the mouthpiece is not really in the air path and won't affect taste over time. We'll see!
ginolicious
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Got mine today in the mail from sneaky Pete. First time I got a vape in the mail that’s I can’t open cause it’s not for me. Gotta wait till after Xmas to try it. As it’s the Gf’s present.
On a bong but I have heard the GH is way too hot to use natively comfortably, the ceramic CU in the V3 is pretty good at taming heat.
I did not like the tiny bowl size when using the Fury2 glass WPA, using 2 at once helped...but it is nice to have options,
MoltenTiger
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It's interesting to compare, I guess the V3 Pro is the most-like vape to a GH in that they are portable no-nonsense (ideallyOn a bong but I have heard the GH is way too hot to use natively comfortably, the ceramic CU in the V3 is pretty good at taming heat.
I did not like the tiny bowl size when using the Fury2 glass WPA, using 2 at once helped...but it is nice to have options,
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) convection heaters. GH has a smaller bowl (in-between Fury2 WPA and V3 chamber) but potentially more heat (no consistency across their fleet), but definitely more efficient insulation and a more efficient heat exchanger.The GH by design has no cooling at all, it's very hot and harsh with a direct line-out. It doesn't require cooling if you can handle that, but really it needs something to be used like I use it, getting huge rips. Although if you can handle a white ox no filter, or the stinging roger at the end of a joint, a Hopper is nothing really. Some of the out-of-spec super hot, super awesome on the bong, hoppers are actually straight up dangerous for direct contact, but that's not the norm (I don't really know what is, besides not having one!).
GH is really perfect for the rainforest walks here in the cooler months as this is closer to the kind of thing it was originally intended for. It's comfortable to use in this setting. And it's very small, instantly ready and instantly pocketable.
Ordinarily and by direct comparison it's rather awful to use compared to the V3 Pro direct, which is super smooth because all it's options of mouthpieces have cooling features.
I would be interested to hear how you go with the Fury2 WPA set up inside the glass adapter alloy housing with the V3 Pro magnets and inverted silicone. This improved performance markedly for me, one of my glass tubes fits very loosely inside the chamber, the other will not fall out as easily, but set up like you have above it will limit the venturi effect and allow some air to pass through without first going through the heater.
I get more hits from a full chamber with glass adapter, but now I'm still getting multiple white walls per chamber and the same cloud density using the Fury2 mod.
That said, the V3 Pro with any method doesn't hit as hard as a good Grasshopper, and it's a farcry from the Sublimator, which has to be approaching or at the limit of what can be extracted from a certain biomass.
Whatever the case, if you wind up doing the same thing everytime, it's time to mix it up. Options are nice!
I will give this a try next cleaning session...never hurts to mix things up
Petetbay
Well-Known Member
I don’t have Fury 2 wpa, but I have Fury 2 dimpled stem and it fits though pretty tight in the silicone, worked better than just straight in without the mp mount, goes fast and didn’t need to turn it up to get good density vapor.
I’m loving these wpa/mp’s, may have to order another wpa because the glass joint is now doing service in a Tera mp w/broken collar, works great. @PPN crack some whips and get them working on a 19mm version of the glass wpa, you guys wanna sell shit don’t ya.
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Tried my Xmax V3 Pro last night with Fury Edge capsules, and color me impressed! Very nice taste with the glass mouthpiece, and it will be interesting to see if that keeps up over time. Having done the initial battery charge on an external charger, I think I'll probably charge this battery internally to avoid possibly damaging the battery wrap when removing and inserting it, it is a little tight getting the battery in and out.
Hopefully it is not a faux pas to mention shops, but I got it from 420 EDC in Maine, the silver version was $109 with free shipping, including the glass mouthpiece and a stash case. A decent deal I think, given that I wanted the glass mouthpiece, and they shipped very quick. The glass mouthpiece was free, and you could also choose a spare stock mouthpiece or a 14 mm WPA instead.
By the way, do the three haptic buzzes mean you've exceeded 30 seconds when in on demand mode? That happened to me twice during long draws, but I couldn't find anything in the manual, other than you can draw for no more than 30 seconds when using in demand mode.
Hopefully it is not a faux pas to mention shops, but I got it from 420 EDC in Maine, the silver version was $109 with free shipping, including the glass mouthpiece and a stash case. A decent deal I think, given that I wanted the glass mouthpiece, and they shipped very quick. The glass mouthpiece was free, and you could also choose a spare stock mouthpiece or a 14 mm WPA instead.
By the way, do the three haptic buzzes mean you've exceeded 30 seconds when in on demand mode? That happened to me twice during long draws, but I couldn't find anything in the manual, other than you can draw for no more than 30 seconds when using in demand mode.
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David Root
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Correct. It shuts off after 30 seconds.
I use session mode. It does not matter much, its only heating the herb when drawing.
IN session mode, the heater is always on.
Demand mode should save on the battery.
David
I use session mode. It does not matter much, its only heating the herb when drawing.
IN session mode, the heater is always on.
Demand mode should save on the battery.
David
Robert-in-YEG
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Complete agreement here. While my V3 Pro runs in session mode, I see it as 6 minutes of 'On Demand' use.
For me, a session on a convection vape simply means that it is read for immediate use. Sometimes, I am just sitting and vaping, but usually I am busy doing other things. I vape like someone would drink coffee or smoke a cigarette. It is not unusual for a whole session to pass without even a single draw, because I am focusing on work, not vaping. When that happens, I just start another session on the vape and keep going. The great thing about convection is that the taste isn't much different.
Without question going back to a leftover bowl isn't going to be as good as that first run. However, it doesn't taste bad. This is one of the things I like most about convection vapes.
Robert-in-YEG
I got the V3 WPA mouthpiece. I think the entire outer body is aluminum, not just the poker. It feels nice and heavy and draws a little more smoothly than the OG. Overall a better feel
Downsides? It is 3/4" longer and a little stinkier but for my purposes, the benefits outweigh
Downsides? It is 3/4" longer and a little stinkier but for my purposes, the benefits outweigh
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
Nice!
If you flip the silicone part upside down you will get as good a seal but it will all snap together nicely with the magnets and the assembly will sit flush in the device
Also nice banding on the intake holes.
At least half of the intake holes direct air over the oven before reaching the heater, covering the upper section's (opposite to your photo) should prevent the bowl being cooled down as much as the air goes straight to the heater and then heats the chamber, rather than sapping some energy on the way to the heater
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I always use my convection vapes in on-demand mode, when a choice is possible. I have always been under the impression that clearing the chamber after a hit is a good way to keep the vape cleaner and help prevent resin buildup. I don't know if this has been proven to be true, but I have always subscribed to the idea.
I feel weird using the V3Pro in session mode and not being able to clear the chamber of vapor after each hit. It has become so much a part of my ritual that I feel uneasy when I am not able to do so.
This has been discussed before, but I think that the V3Pro could be improved by not starting the on-demand timer until after the vape reaches the set temp. As it is, when using it a max temp it can take as long as 20 seconds to reach temp. That would only leave 10 seconds for the actual draw.
The trick is, of course, to release the button once the vape reaches the set temp and then press it again, resetting the on-demand timer. After the second press it normally only takes 3-4 seconds to reach the set temp again, leaving plenty of time for the actual draw. This seems kind of kludgy to me.
I agree about clearing the chamber. Maybe it's just force of habit, but I feel like it cools the herb and heating element/atomizer.
Maybe I need to pay more attention, but I don't feel like the three haptic buzzes came after only 10 seconds of drawing. So maybe they adjusted that in new versions, or maybe I was already counting during heat up. I'll try to pay closer attention to the timing tonight.
chlorophyll_man
AVB Inspector
It would be nice if the device did a single vibrate when it begins heating up in on-demand mode. A few times now it's misfired because I probably wasn't pushing the fire button right in the middle. Because the button is flush with the fascia my thumb can't tell when it's in exactly the right place, especially if I'm not looking at the device e.g. hand by side
PPN
Volute of Vapor
Ok, I understand, it's a concern I already transmitted to the team. Do you think it may be better to go for no coating at all or to use anodized coating?
Ok, I understand you better, silicone complete removal from the airpath&vaporpath will be the next challenge for us, high end unit will come later if everything is going like expected...
ps: Stealth mouthpiece is the stock mouthpiece in my mind, I understood you desire the stock mp to be improved with better materials (no plastic and silicone).
Hi, I agree with you also! I don't think we will follow the ground glass/metal joint idea, at least not like a 14mm waterpipe ground glass joint! It may be too big and portability is one of our goals, is a ceramic/glass stem with a metal base stuck into the top of the bowl is something acceptable for you (there will be silicone o-rings for a tight fit and a good seal but they may be recessed unlike our actual design)?
Great! you spoil her, please, keep sharing here if she likes it!
Isn't it?the ceramic CU in the V3 is pretty good at taming heat.
Do you think an optionnal 18,8mm ground glass joint you can use with the glass adapter is a good idea? Or to sell only one glass adapter kit including both a 14mm and 18.8mm adapters? Or to sell a 14mm glass adapter and a 18.8mm glass adapter?
Thank you for the kinds words, I'm glad you are impressed! You can mention retailers/shops, it's allowed by the FC staff.
Yes but it's always good to know how much it's annoying for you. We collected feedbacks and improvements suggestions and will probably improve the Xmax V3Pro for a next model/iteration. Regards.
Great suggestion, not sure if it was already mentionned but I'll transmit your suggestion! TY
happynomoretobacco
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@PPN thx my GIVEAWAY V3 arrived today. And like you said no taxes no costum. It works perfect and fast from China.
And i didnt noticed that a bubbler-mp is also included very nice. Cant await to try it. Im still at burn off but from beginning nearby no smell.
Grey looks great and i think Buttons and battery cover are better Quality than at my first unit. I also think the MP fits better and the magnet holds stronget
So people dont forget: 13 rules the game
And i didnt noticed that a bubbler-mp is also included very nice. Cant await to try it. Im still at burn off but from beginning nearby no smell.
Grey looks great and i think Buttons and battery cover are better Quality than at my first unit. I also think the MP fits better and the magnet holds stronget
So people dont forget: 13 rules the game
PPN
Volute of Vapor
I'm so glad you are pleased with your prize. I was tired to pay customs&tax (especially since covid) so I asked them to find another shipment method, your package cames faster than usual, my shipments are taking longer to reach my home. Have fun with your new V3Pro!@PPN thx my GIVEAWAY V3 arrived today. And like you said no taxes no costum. It works perfect and fast from China.
And i didnt noticed that a bubbler-mp is also included very nice. Cant await to try it. Im still at burn off but from beginning nearby no smell.
Grey looks great and i think Buttons and battery cover are better Quality than at my first unit. I also think the MP fits better and the magnet holds stronget
So people dont forget: 13 rules the game
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
A plain coating would be preferable for me and many others, but a high quality annodised finish would be a lot better than paint
My main concern is silicone parts in very close proximity, or even contacting very hot items. There are many downsides to doing so. It has a reasonable tolerance to temperature, but it isn't amazing and soaks in oils over time too.
If used appropriately silicone is perfectly safe.
I don't want to be too critical as this is far from the worst use of silicone in the vape scene, it is relatively very good usage and is easily replaceable. But there is room for improvement. The overall understanding of various material qualities and the product category itself don't seem quite inline with my considerations, however the EE and general dynamics sure do, plus all this interaction is great.
Plainly silicone needs to be further from the heat source and ideally totally isolated from the air/vapour path. It is very useful for many vapes, and smooth bored medical grade Arizer EQ whip was how I transformed my accidental glass mouthpiece into a V3 WPA.
The V3 Pro with some small tweaks could be the basis for the perfect vaporiser IMO
It is already capable both as a super portable direct hitter, by session or on-demand. With awesome battery life, straight forward ease of use, and seemingly robust/durable build (proving fairly drop proof, I've had some terrible clumsy moments
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)I've really enjoyed my units and I'm 99% content with them. Just a touch more power and it would be vaping perfection.
My tweak wish list:
A unit with modifiable firmware and further software features (optional animation on the display, clock/stop-watch, something to interact with, temp-step profiles, all on-device or USB link, no BLE)
Optional internal glass bowl/stem adapters/mouthpieces, capsules and storage trays, loading tools offered as extras, still allowing a straight packed herb chamber (as with current design)
No plastic, full disclosure of whole device and materials
More heat/power
- faster heat ups
- capable of combustion with accurate extended temp range (ie. Max temp burns, but good for concentrate and pushing things to the limit) only needs an extra 5-20°C on top of V3s 220 but it would be a huge potency boost and allow one-hits if it can be dialled in, and it could work with stems for quick bubbler rips
More finishes, different colours/textures for the enclosure
A sliding panel over the UI allowing one single push instead of 3-presses for power
Basically I wish for a battery powered tiny VapeXhale/LSV. The V3 is so close, I really am excited to see what comes up
vapviking
Old & In the Way
And don't forget to add smoothing the battery compartment so we don't nick our batteries!A plain coating would be preferable for me and many others, but a high quality annodised finish would be a lot better than paint
My main concern is silicone parts in very close proximity, or even contacting very hot items. There are many downsides to doing so. It has a reasonable tolerance to temperature, but it isn't amazing and soaks in oils over time too.
If used appropriately silicone is perfectly safe.
I don't want to be too critical as this is far from the worst use of silicone in the vape scene, it is relatively very good usage and is easily replaceable. But there is room for improvement. The overall understanding of various material qualities and the product category itself don't seem quite inline with my considerations, however the EE and general dynamics sure do, plus all this interaction is great.
Plainly silicone needs to be further from the heat source and ideally totally isolated from the air/vapour path. It is very useful for many vapes, and smooth bored medical grade Arizer EQ whip was how I transformed my accidental glass mouthpiece into a V3 WPA.
The V3 Pro with some small tweaks could be the basis for the perfect vaporiser IMO
It is already capable both as a super portable direct hitter, by session or on-demand. With awesome battery life, straight forward ease of use, and seemingly robust/durable build (proving fairly drop proof, I've had some terrible clumsy moments
I've really enjoyed my units and I'm 99% content with them. Just a touch more power and it would be vaping perfection.
My tweak wish list:
A unit with modifiable firmware and further software features (optional animation on the display, clock/stop-watch, something to interact with, temp-step profiles, all on-device or USB link, no BLE)
Optional internal glass bowl/stem adapters/mouthpieces, capsules and storage trays, loading tools offered as extras, still allowing a straight packed herb chamber (as with current design)
No plastic, full disclosure of whole device and materials
More heat/power
- faster heat ups
- capable of combustion with accurate extended temp range (ie. Max temp burns, but good for concentrate and pushing things to the limit) only needs an extra 5-20°C on top of V3s 220 but it would be a huge potency boost and allow one-hits if it can be dialled in, and it could work with stems for quick bubbler rips
More finishes, different colours/textures for the enclosure
A sliding panel over the UI allowing one single push instead of 3-presses for power
Basically I wish for a battery powered tiny VapeXhale/LSV. The V3 is so close, I really am excited to see what comes up
Oh, and maybe leave off that combustion part...
Robert-in-YEG
Well-Known Member
Today it is bloody cold. It would be good day to test the V3 Pro, but sorry. After shoveling snow, it is time to stay inside.
Robert-in-YEG
Robert-in-YEG
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
Yeah the positive terminal contactor pin should be changed out to something safer for the cells. Though I've got the loading down pat, this hazard should probably be addressed even on future V3s, it's likely a single part BOM change. Before something blows preferably.And don't forget to add smoothing the battery compartment so we don't nick our batteries!
Oh, and maybe leave off that combustion part...
And the combustion part isn't really necessary, the idea is that with that kind of headroom, the device will have a much more potent potential (in-line with the big hitters). As it is, the V3 is running like a medium GH, unable to deplete material rapidly or fully. I want the hot GH experience, but it's too hard to deliver a device calibrated to do this, instead the user should adjust it into their sweet spot. And the only way to do this is to allow the device to run hotter than it is, 220 is 20-25dC below assured combustion, plenty of scope to tune this into something offering vapour perfection. Currently it's just very good, a little more would really make this thing sing though
There's no Australian way to describe those conditions, that isn't just bloody cold it's bloody ridiculous!
You've definitely earned a comfy indoors session for the remainder of the day!
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