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vaporizing salvia

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  1. NoddingDonkey

    NoddingDonkey Oil, Glass & I'm a bit of an ass

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    The fact that salvia is legal and weed is not is just wrong. 80x salvia was the scariest experience of my life and I barely remember it. The world started ripping itself apart and the seems of the patchwork were made out of zippers that had teeth resembling semi frozen dominoes...as the seems of my world unzipped the dominoes popped and little explosions of water were going on everywhere. My friend saved the phx that I apparently attempted to toss towards the vortex in front of me. I couldn't make words, and for a while I thought I was going to die because my head had zipped off and was floating on one patch but my body was all the way over there on another patch...

    I figured the first trip was a glitch and tried it again, 60x this time, 18mo later. I chose to record that trip on video (gopro was new and trendy) and I scared myself pretty bad. I fell off my bed, tried to go in to the veg room for who knows what reason. I was 100% unable to control my actions or process rational thought. I don't deal with loss of control very well. Panic, fear, etc.
     
  2. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    I would rather see MJ legal, than Salvia. Here we have both illegal, that is the wrongest. It's just a plant like MJ. And is dangerous only when used irresponsibly. For some it can be interesting. I don't llike it too because of it's dysphoria and total mindfuck (don't know what going on, don't know who I am, can't figure what is different/wrong - even when the world is spiraling into vortex in front of me).
    Had this feeling too about every trip,then I fuured out I should stop trying, one can't simply understand nature of Sally's effects, they're too bizzaire and mindfucking. Also 80x and 60x is way too strong to dose right easily. I used 20x and it was very strong to induce breakthroughs easily too. 10x should be the best.
     
  3. Vapordreamer

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    I just don't understand why nearly all of the people who have tried Salvia are talking about taking extracts and getting completely mindfucked. It has been said elsewhere but I say it again. The all or nothing trip from Salvia is a myth! Imo this myth is also the reason why most people don't like it. Are they even aware that Salvinorin A is one of the strongest natural hallucinogens (very active in doses like 200µ)? Would you when you have never taken acid and could control the dose, start right away with a thumbprint or would you first see what a smaller dose is like? If the answer is the latter, then why not apply this "wisdom" to salvia dosages?
    Also because Salvia has a reverse-tolerance when you start out low, the body will get used to it's effects and the trip deepness will increase automatically from time to time, it just takes patience. Lack of patience and not knowing about Set, Setting and dose are the four things that I see prevent Salvia from being a medicine in the modern world like it was for the Mazaztecs peoples from Mexico.

    When I use Salvia I always start with a pinch of Salvia in my Vaporizer because in lower doses it is really antidepressant and takes away my worries of having a too strong trip.
    Then when I begin to self-reflect I slowly continue vaporizing. Because of my constant self-reflection which seems to happen while time is being slowed down, I always know how deep I want to go. The slowness of effects coming on through the vaporizer also make the trip more controllable, at least for me.
    In conclusion, for me it provides a tremendously useful tool for self-reflection and consciousness exploring. If I feel like it, I also use cannabis with it since it makes it even more euphoric for me.
    And if I want to go to sleep at the end of a trip, I'll vape dream herb since it calms me down, makes me sleepy and gives me interesting dreams during the night.

    One good site I recently found, to educate yourself about salvia: http://www.salviatruth.com/

    EDIT: This post is of course not directed at anyone personally, it just represents my amazement about what I read on the internet and hear from other people that I encounter.
     
  4. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    There is wide continuous sub-breakthrough range, sure. I've done Salvia 20x less than 10 times, but never got over to breathrough, I've dosed little. Yes, you can get as subtle effects as possible with lower doses. Of course, that is hard to do with 40+ extracts. These must be strong and would require precise weighting so no mental overdose happens. With plain leaf, you can imo get mostly only subtle effects easily, would need to inhale gram or something rapidly to breakthrough.
     
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  5. Tweek

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    Nobody said Salvia was "all or nothing". I am simply stating that it's a herb that needs to be respected and well researched and that to compare it to marijuana would be irresponsible. Simply tossing "a pinch" of Salvia in your vaporizer or pipe without understanding the differences between regular dried leaves and extracts, and their various effects, is asking for trouble...especially for a first timer.

    I am glad it helps you. It's not a herb that needs to be condemned. But like any drug, natural or man made, it needs to be respected.
     
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  6. Soulhunter

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    I really do not like the feeling off beeing banged in the back off the head with a baseball batt :p
     
  7. NoddingDonkey

    NoddingDonkey Oil, Glass & I'm a bit of an ass

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    blame the "sticky icky purple" company with the little round jars about 3/4cm tall and a bit larger than a quarter in diameter. They marketed the high dosage stuff to smoke shops, who happily sold it to anyone with money to pay their rent. People who wanted a hardcore legal hallucinogen trip started buying it...and here we are
     
  8. Shad0w99

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    I have lots of Salvia 40x extract. Ever since I stopped combusting, haven't touched it...Now that I'm looking for a vaporizer, might as well as get one that would go great with Salvia. Any recommendations? I see that only SSV is mentioned so far. No other vaporizer will do the job? I don't mind getting SSV if that's the only option. Any help regarding this would be great. I just want to make one purchase and not get into a vaporizer collector!! :)

    Thank you
     
  9. ictus

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    interesting thread. I've never vaped Salvia, only smoke a bowl of it once. Based on my only prior experience, I'd be hesitant to try it again even through a vape. Here's what happened to me:

    I took only one medium sized bowl hit around 5-6 years ago. I was alone in my apartment at the time.

    Time slows.

    I am near the edge of the grand canyon.

    There is a family.

    Shit. They are falling off the cliff.

    I run over to save them all. I barely manage to grab one of the kids hands somehow pulling the family to safety.

    Suddenly I am standing on my couch with an armful of pillows. Only around 1 minute had passed.

    Never touched the stuff again. :D Was that a typical reaction?
     
  10. Tweek

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    My experience felt like the scene in Hellraiser...a quiet stillness fell over the room, and everything began to shift. They my universe started to unzip...
     
  11. BlazednConfused

    BlazednConfused Fill this whole street with uppercut

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    Salvia Dinorium is the REAL DEAL, when it comes to tripping. I've done acid multiple times, mushrooms multiple times, 2CE once (was terrible, imagine feeling completely lucid yet extremely uncomfortable with pretty terrible hallucinations, and I tell everyone I meet, that if you want to trip, do some salvia.

    Now my experience goes as follows. I was over at my buddy's when I had just started college, I was 18 at the time, few days earlier I had tried acid for the first time, and he pulls out a bag of 80x salvia. He tells me his buddy tried some, was laughing saying everything looked like slices of bread lalala so I, being in my experimental drug stage couldn't pass up on the offer. He packs me a fat bowl in his 2 foot goofy ass ceramic straight tube, hands me a torch lighter and tells me to kill the bowl, and hold my breath for as long as I can, at least 15 seconds and exhale. I torch the bowl without him saying another word, hold the hit in. As I'm holding it I feel an odd tingle come over my head and move down through my shoulders, upon exhaling, I start laughing, slowly, Ha ha... ha ha... (head slumps back, eyes roll up in my head) I blacked out.

    I am brought to my past, overlooking various scenes within my life. The living room at my grandmothers, a walmart parking lot, friends houses etc. The thing is, I'm like a ghost within the world, flying through these different scenes and diving into one particular piece of the scene. To explain what I mean, I was in say my grandmothers living room, and I was literally floating through it and zooming into one particular spot, for example a number on the clock, and zooming into the number until all I saw was black, then popping out in a new area.

    All while this was happening, I was pretty much seizing on the couch, eyes rolled in my head, and actually began choking on my tongue/turning purple until my buddy pushed my head forward to get my tongue out. The two girls with us, his girlfriend and sister, were crying scared shitless thinking I was dying. After he moved my head, I came out and they had their hands on my arms, I stood up and swung on them, but instead of keeping my balance, I tipped over like a tree, completely rolled all the way down to the tip of my toe and slammed my whole body face first on the floor. Instead of pain, all I felt was pin needles pricking my face and body where I had hit the ground. I blacked out again and went back into the world.

    This time, everything was black, and I was scared. I asked myself the question "Is this what I do? This is all I do?" panicking, I felt as if I was in some sort of limbo. Stuck in an eternal abyss to do nothing for the rest of my existence, forever. I began to panic, telling myself "I have to kill myself, I cant do this, why God?" Having an intense panic attack. I awoke in the other room, laying on a fouton. I was yelling for my best friend and his brother "Ethan, Otto!" but they werent even with us. I asked "Do I go to school?" "Whats my name?" "Ill never do drugs again." I continued this confused state for another 30 min, within this time I immediately demanded that we get weed, told them to drive my car, and layed in the back seat upside down with my knees on the seat and my head on the floor, covered in a blanket.

    I can't remember everything that happened in my out of body experience, but I can tell you, this was quite the eye opener for me. Nothing ever did it like Salvia did. Anyone else have any crazy experiences with this shit?
     
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  12. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

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    Salvia is a powerful dissociative hallucinogen with some psychedelic hints. The trip lasts only few minutes, but is generally dysphoric.
    A bowl of 80x? Either it was far from real 80x or you failed to smoke it eficiently. 5x bowl is enought to full-blown hallucinatory experience. 80x bowl properly smoked would be a hard overdose just resulting in amnesia.
    The Salvia trip is very bizzaire, alienish, and "physical". Very dangerous efect imo is the "Salvia gravity" - it makes you feel real forces that can overpower you and make you move, in hallucinatory state - very dangerous without a sitter. It is very common if not guaranteed to feel gravity change its direction, its perceived so real that sometimes you have to catch something stationary to not fall upwards etc. Under influence its possible to wonder how the fuck these sober friends can stand on walls and ceilings and not fall like you. Because they're actually just standing on ground, just your sense of gravity and direction is fucked up.
    Here is an example how it can go wrong when no sitter cares for the tripper, this is HOW NOT TO USE SALVIA:
    I've never breakthrough on Salvia an I don't know if I want to. Salvia crushes every mental function before you start tripping, it kills ego quickly and forcefully. Even in sub-breakthroughs I was not able to comprehend anything at all. I couldn't think, i couldn't recall a single memory. Even didn't know I was smoking something, even visuals seemed normal to me as I couldn't think anything about them. Physical feeling of Salvia is compared to pins and needles (also I could feel my skin getting uncomfortably tighter and tighter on the body). Breakthroughing is usually felt as being torn apart into parallel reality. Generally not pleasant at all. It sure is very interesting plant to experiment, but imo its NOT THE ONE AND ONLY CHOICE when it comes to tripping quickly.
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    I think only Salvia and DMT are capable of short "natural-feeling" full-blown trips. But in my eyes Salvia is the little evil dissociative sister of DMT. DMT is psychedelic with dynamics and intensity of Salvia (full-blown in less that minute, back in 5 minutes and few mins of afterglow). I think of DMT as the best choice for this kind of intense quick trips. Visuals are psychedelic instead of dissociative and I personally like that style better, it's way more "magical". Also DMT can be very euphoric if you know how and unlike Salvia there are no forces! It feels like you're peacefully entering trance, you need to lie down and it begins, it comes from everywhere, envelops you completely and you go into the most alien, non-euclidean, infinitely fractally detailed, huge spaces of impossible geometries inhabited with incredible and impossible objects and all-knowing entities. All of that shile being in totally peaceful calm trance lying in bed. Much more comfortable entry to another dimension, than being subjectively torn apart like with Salvia. Also DMT doesn't crush your mind like Salvia, you still can think like sober, you can comprehend what is happening there unlike salvia (you can even talk on lower doses, that's quite impossible with salvia). The ego death can come but only with the highest doses.

    With enough DMT what eyes perceive doesn't matter, all the experience is perceiver through minds eye in our head. That means it doesn't have any limits for field of view (spherical 360° vision), space (non-euclidian, fractalish, variable dimensionality - anywhere from 0D to infinityD, just what is curently needed to interpret), resolution (everyone has different detail of eyesight, but on DMT the detail is infinite, much more HD than eyes can perceive). Visions can have many different forms, it can be indoor (incredible rooms of impossible geometry overlapping, morphing, splitting, fusing, kaleidoscoping, getting alive etc) or outdoor (huge space with impossible structures growing everywhere etc). I usually see entities there, usually repeated like the environment, mostly standing in circle around me in some rooms, but everytime they were like statues, just silently looking at me, no contact like others describe...
    They seem to have interes in me, sometimes they actually move in my way, reaching me with their hands, but don't get any closer. And I know this is only the beginning, I've not yet been on the other side, where this wormhole ride leads.

    I think I start derailing this thread, here is DMT thread: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dmt-vaporization.387/

    I just tried to compare them a bit, and point out salvia is not the only one substance that shoots one out completely out for few mins as OP seems to think. And IMO better, because its safer (less likely to cause badtrips, no movement while tripping hard, known simple non-toxic molecule which body knows to effectively metabolize into safe metabolites), and giving more (less brainfuck, more and better visuals, less likely physicaly unpleasant, usually the opposite), also non-addictive.

    Treat both Salvia and DMT responsibly and with utmost respect, they both can cause bad-trips and both bad-trips are like hell. Eyeballing 80x extract without miligram scale is not responsible use, same goes with DMT (i estimate it's as potent per weight as 40x salvia). I think with real 80x Salvia a load as tiny as one rice corn could be overdose.
     
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  13. BlazednConfused

    BlazednConfused Fill this whole street with uppercut

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    5x salvia is dick. It will not make you have an out of body experience, I can almost guarentee it, unless maybe if youre vaping it? All it will do is make you feel goofy/head feel heavy/ really feel the effects of gravity, you will not have an OOBE. It was 80x, said it on the package, and my buddy had paid a good amount for it because a few months after they put a ban on it in Florida. It was by far the most intense thing I've ever gone through. I actually took the little bit that was left and smoked it out of a bowl with my two friends later that day. Even sharing it, we all felt the effects very strong, my head felt like it weighed a ton after I hit it and caused me to tip over onto my bed, the others got pretty scared at how quickly and intensely it hit for such a small amount. I would say we shared a .1 and I had hit a .2-.3 as he had only bought a gram of the stuff. As for DMT, never tried it, dont plan on it either. My buddy always talks about wanting to make it and I tell him hes retarded and to stick to shrooms (he thinks meditating is cool now).
     
  14. Seek

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    With these ammounts 5x would sure be too weak, I mean 5x would make OOBE if you smoked full bowl alone. You were sharing it and loaded a little. Probably smoked it ineficiently too. But IMO still too much. I believe most extracts sold as 80x are not actually 80x. Also there is the reverse tolerance - first time is weak, but the more you use, the less you need. And this reverse tolerance is believed to be permanent as brain can somehow learn to efficiently use the salvinorin. I know 20x is more than enough for a personal OOBE (breakthrough) with small bowl. Anything more is just hard to dose right.

    And DMT, it is hardly distinguishable from ultra short shroom trip at lower doses. But if one wants to experience shrooms-like OOBE, high dose DMT is the only way to go and there nothing retarded about it. It's probably possible to OOBE with shrooms too, but it would need huge dose and it would be duller, too long (hours), and probably very unpleasant - DMT is the only psychedelic, that can cause OOBE without any bad side effects disrupting it. So blasting off into OOBE in shroom style but with salvia intensity and duration = DMT's job. Also shroom visuals look like they're just drawn by the drug, but DMT experience is very real and transcedent. Photorealistic 3D objects emerging from everywhere. The experience feels so real that one begins questioning if it was just his head after coming back. That is another thing no other psychedelic can do.
     
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  15. Tstat

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    I have done plenty of psychedelics in my time and really loved tripping. At a certain point it just wasn't teaching me anything, so I stopped. I've read a lot about salvia and most people relate similar experiences to yours. I just don't think what you described is my idea of fun! And that couple in the video, certainly not having fun ;)
     
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  16. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    Seems Kinda FUCKEN DUMB to me.


    the video really makes this look healthy and fun !!!!
     
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  17. Tweek

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    I smoke salvia. Very occasionally though...it is not what I consider a "party" drug. It is more for introspection and unless you are willing to relax and give into the experience, you are going to have a really hard time in most cases.

    There is also a big difference between chewing a quid of fresh leaves and smoking an extract, with the extract being more potent. All I will say on the matter is to do your research and don't treat it like you would herb. It can be rewarding or downright terrifying.

    As to my experience...it was like unlocking the box in Hellraiser. The volume in the room dimmed to a quiet hush. I melted back into my bed and my universe unzipped before my eyes...I could literally feel the unzipping like electricity on my skin. Then I felt the "beings" holding me down, preventing me from slipping out of this fabric into theirs. It was wild. I had to keep reminding myself that it was just a trip. It shook me and at the same time, extracted alot of subconscious thoughts I was having at the time. I left feeling pretty cleansed along with being shaken.

    I can understand why it is used in rituals.
     
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  18. BlazednConfused

    BlazednConfused Fill this whole street with uppercut

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    Cleansed! That is the perfect word to describe it. I felt cleaner and with better outlook on life, but I was still scared. And the extraction of subconscious thoughts, I felt like I had solved a lot of problems after I came back to and was calmed down.
     
  19. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    Definitely not accurate, one hit of 5x salvia smoked with a torch lighter held in 20 seconds and I can reach the upper limits of the SALVIA level. As in seven minutes go by with no memory of the past seven minutes.

    The bong/bubbler is necessary to take the good sized hit and be able to hold it in long enough. Without it I couldn't get 5x to work that great either.
     
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    Thanks for coming and sharing your experience, entertaining and informative. The utube vid seek posted made me giggle, and then feel bad about it. Since you seem to be chasing that big psychedelic experience:
    If this is opinion, then it is basically shared by myself and everyone I've known who does this kind of thing. I consider myself to be a non-spiritual man of science, and dmt has shown me things that defy any explanation.
    You should listen to your boy, he sounds pretty sharp! Why would you tell him not to do something you don't really know anything about?

    True story: I took 3 grams of psilocybin one evening, and then vaporized dmt at roughly the point of peaking. The conclusion: As the dmt began to wear fully off (seemed to take forever) I instantly regretted eating the shrooms, because it was so tame and boring after.
     
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  21. Kushtoker630

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    ive done it never again had a crazy out of body experience these people i call my buddys tricked me into smokeing a .4 bong pack of 100x
     
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  22. Wolf46

    Wolf46 Vapechù The vaporizer pokemon

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    Hi guys, i have at home 3 jar of 15X salvia divinorum extract, can i vaporize this plant with my EQ at the highest temp (260 C)?! i already smoke the salvia extract in the past, so i'm not a newbie, but this is the first time that i can try to vaporize it.
    Do i mix the salvia with a little weed? the ratio of this mix? is ok if the salvia is very very dryed like ashes or something that would become powder at the first touch?!
    Do i warm up the salvia like i do usually with the weed? or this is a risk move (i'm afraid of ruins the salvia)...
    Sorry for the many question and for my bad language (i'm italian)!
    thanks in advance!
     
  23. Edward Hyde

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    be carefull salvia divinorum (and especially the extracted one) is not a toy...its really strong and its not a party or fun "drug". Its spiritual medicine,a ticket for a trip in another world,another place,another time...i've heard that vaping salvia extract is much more stronger than smoking it and the quantity u are going to vape has to be very precise because every miligram makes a different..havent tried it but i've found on the internetz that u should be very carefull when vaping it...
     
  24. Wolf46

    Wolf46 Vapechù The vaporizer pokemon

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    yes, i know what you say, in fact, before the assunction of this wonderful plant i ask advice to you guys of FC!
    in the past i smoke for several times, various type of salvia extract (5x min and 40x max) so i say again, i'm not a total newbie, but thanks for worries!
    I wait for precise instruction, thanks to all!
     
  25. Edward Hyde

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    i've smoked salvia x30 and x40 out of bongs and pipes like 10 times in my life (not much not too few tho) and i think that even combusted its really a tool of spiritual release and should be used as such..i didnt have that way of thinking until after the 5th 6th session i had but now i know its not about having fun with salvia...its the experience of the trip itself...and imo your spiritual trip should be combined with a body trip...use it in a place u know well,with really familiar people and only when u are in a good mood.vaped i think it will indeed be much stronger as cannabis is...so be really carefull i've seen people freaking out and getting in asylums for schizophrenic reasons after trying salvia...


    on the other had low extracts or simple salvia is indeed REALLY pleasant to vape i've vaped x1 and x5 and its really fun...not really knowing if u are tripping or not and if u are not really experienced with hallucinogenics maybe u wont even realise it...
     

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