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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by spyder, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. Dynavaper

    Dynavaper Karma Farmer

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    I stand corrected, it was the Rosewood mouthpiece that caused the main trouble. It was connected to the ebony vapman and they considered both a unit. (At first, I received the ebony Vapman later on, they just kept the mouthpiece)

    Cocobolo is also on the list in the meantime. As said - complicated times ahead for some... You can still trade them, but you need a certificate for the piece of wood in question.

    Ebony is not a wood species afaik. It is just a name for very dark woods. Some are covered by CITES, some are not.

    http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/restricted-and-endangered-wood-species/

    https://cites.org/eng/news/pr/2011/20110928_timber_appendixIII.php
     
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  2. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Metals (good conductors of heat) are not a good way to go for the body, it's hard enough to hang onto now. But ceramic has some advantages? A four piece mold (plaster of Paris?) could make them, much like coffee cups are made in small batches. No need for Mica. Perhaps even modify the design to put the tubes through the body?

    A fun 'cottage industry' could include selling the body 'green' (soft fired, ready for decoration). Like school kids making ceramics for mom we could do our own or some really serious work could come out. You could even put up a rack of them like commemorative plates. More fun to look at and much more useful than plates with Elvis.......

    A ceramic center section has some promise too, I think? It could even become the top section, replacing the center and MP with a single piece which could be glazed inside as well, meaning 'all glass vapor path'......

    More sterile that the VM we know, but it could be fun?

    OF
     
  3. szai

    szai Well-Known Member

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    A unit that had the parts that get hot or are in contact with bud or vapor made of metal could be interesting. Like the internals are metal and the exterior is wood. The benefit being ability to iso clean the dirty bits. I really like that I can thouroughly clean my dynavap unlike a lot of other vaps.

    I guess I just want another tough durable vape.
     
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  4. Gourmet

    Gourmet Well-Known Member

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    Thats a good point! The vapman you can easy and fast clean all parts they are in direct contact with the herbs.

    The pan I clean with magic erasers sponges, like f.i. these guys. My vapmans I use the most looks nearly like the first day, without ISO cleaning.
    [​IMG]

    The metal filter from the middle piece I clean every few weeks with ISO, in a few minutes it is like new.
    Some people take the reclaim and use it for edibles, but I'am too lazy for it. ;-)

    After 3 weeks of intense holiday use, it can look like this:
    [​IMG]

    The wooden middle piece I personally never clean, but some clean it with acetone and let it over night in the solvent. It is recommended to let it dry good before use it again.
     
  5. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    @szai

    again its offtopic as it is about another vape BUT I will compare them so its (a bit more) on topic.
    the Supreme v3 is to me a really nice vape: it shines used with a water tool. Heating is similar to the vapman yet easier: grab your largest jet or propan torch and heat til the thermometer is at 180 Celsius. I increase heat further til 220 Celsius for the last hits.

    Cleanability is definitely there - all metal and its completely disassemblyable. Bowls made out of metal or glass are available.
    and it hits really hard.
    Harder
    than the vapman, vapcap, vaponic, MFLB and likely several more..

    one simply does not reallize the amount of vapor one is gonna inhale so if one is not used to it coughing is kinda likely.. harshness is influenced by the WT mainly. its more the "surprise"-effect. ;)
     
  6. szai

    szai Well-Known Member

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    I'm a huge fan of the sv3 I did a .13g sheet on top of a bowl of whole lemon skunk. Took at least 8 12" bong clears to finish!
     
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  7. Used2use

    Used2use Sometimes to stupid to become a fool

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    if we're at another wishing round for vapman 2 (wasn't it official sceduled for 2073? :D )
    i'd vote for a granite body (swiss is full of that), but don't know if that is even possible to fabricate....
     
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  8. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    @Used2use you know that its 2018? next gen vapman has to be genderneutral :myday:
     
  9. vapman

    vapman Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    Metals definitely get too hot and minerals don't work either, they both conduct heat much more than wood does. Wood is a fantastic material, if it wouldn't exist in nature we would have to invent it and the inventor would be richer than Bill Gates for sure. Try to find another material which is non toxic, solid and easy workable, ever lasting, heat insulator, good looking and low cost!

    I tried mineral materials on vapman with the result, that the body gets incredible hot after a few minutes!
    Here are two relics of long past times.

    [​IMG]

    vapman
     
  10. Shannock

    Shannock Well-Known Member

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    Allow me....

    :peace:
     
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  11. Gourmet

    Gourmet Well-Known Member

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    I love this little excursions in vapman-history! :tup:
    Thx for sharing with us, René! :bowdown:
     
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  12. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I recall many years ago reading about an atomic bomb shipping container project by one of the local 'Defense Labs' (Sandia IIRC). It seems over time several 'devices' have been in plane crashes 'in service', one never recovered? Obviously that's not cool. The idea came up that they are often shipped 'not ready to drop' and a crash with 'cargo' like that could be really nasty......so a big bucks project (any other kind ever happen?) to build the ultimate protective case. Lots of prototypes tested in 'impacts' and FIRE. The idea is the plane could hit the ground (or a handy mountain) very very hard, then burn.

    The winner, in the end, was a giant 'wine keg' made in layers around the device.....layers of Redwood. Yes, Redwood trees. A soft wood (good on impacts) that doesn't burn. Yes, it's self extinguishing! In the local woods (where they grow), they get hit by lightning from time to time. Because of the way they're built (an extremely heavy tree, standing on a soft base for a very long time, the bottom few feet are 'rock solid', traditionally too hard to cut. This is why you see old photos of guys attacking the huge trunks from platforms 20 or so feet up. Areas logged in the past are littered with huge stumps still since the wood also 'doesn't rot'.

    Because the trunks are so dense at the base, lightning does it worst there, not at the top where they're hit. They catch fire there and the inside often blows out as it burns for a while, leaving huge cavities at ground level. The trees live a very long time so that some areas (like along ridges) have one in ten or more 'burned out' but still very much alive. Animals, and even people, have taken up residence in some cases.

    Anyway, layers of Redwood beat out the best man made composites 'money can buy'. And you know who those guys love to spend money.......

    Wood is very cool, and organic and all. Definitely part of the 'VapMan charm', but I'd still buy one in ceramic or similar I think. As a 'something else', not a replacement, of course. Be fun to have a VM you could run through the dish washer I think.

    OF

    Another fun bit of trivia on Redwoods. There are two species, where I live we have the smaller 'Coast Redwoods', not the Giant Seqouias like grow in the high mountains (worlds largest trees). Fun name, officially English but with four vowels in a row? Stolen from the Indians you know.....

    Anyway, the smaller species were thick in a blind canyon near the coast and they were disparate for work in the Great Depression (go figure) so a scheme to log the valley was hatched. They decided to seriously log off the trees, using an existing railroad.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Western_Railroad

    So they dammed the creek near the coast (to make a pond to collect the logs) and set to work. First, they burned the lot, the entire valley to the ridges. Scorched earth and singed Redwood trees. Less in the way, but still very hard work. The built a railroad to haul the logs out along the floor but there were two tunnels too small to pass the huge logs. So they bored holes in them, inserted dynamite and blew them into smaller pieces (lengthwise). When they had the 'pond' was full, they blew the dam and captured the logs as they headed out to sea.

    Now for the really fun part. It's hard to express how massive these guys are (even though they're the small ones....). To 'grease the wheels' with the capitol (to get permission to log) they promised free Redwood to expand the main road into the capitol. In 1933 (or so) they built a second causeway into the capitol (over the wide slow river) next to the existing (concrete) one, 20 feet wide, half a mile long.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolo_Causeway

    Yolo, another Indian word, is also the name of the county. More work, free materials, a win-win. But, the story is all that wood came from just two of those trees! Selected for the job and shown to the politicians. Two of the biggest, but each built an elevated roadway 20 feet wide and a quarter mile long. Whatever that is in metric, it's huge in Yankee measures.

    Today tourists can take a steam train ride through the canyon. Several families live there and depend on weekly rail runs (no roads.....). Pretty cool for a tree.

    Another interesting thing happened WRT Ecology. The fire killed everything the logging didn't. Several hundred species of trees and bushes wiped out along with the animals. The animals came back fast (they can walk....), the plants took longer and had to compete with each other for gound now getting full sun for the first time in a million or two years..... Only a few dozen major ones 'came back', something still being studied.

    Makes a great day trip for visiting folks.
    https://www.skunktrain.com/

    Fort Bragg (on the coast, where the train starts and the Noyo River comes to the sea) is very cool as well, good history, beautiful country, and the grow lovely pot in the area I'm told...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Bragg,_California

    Check it out next time you're in the area.

    OF
     
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  13. vapman

    vapman Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    A VM made of ceramic with a detachable wooden handle ring would work and make it dish washer proof.

    Could I have some of that rock solid Redwood from the bottom part, please! :D (I would love it)

    vapman
     
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  14. Used2use

    Used2use Sometimes to stupid to become a fool

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    That's what i thought, any expanding metal in the mineral will create cracks sooner or later - a 'clipped in' bowl might work better.
    So how about the conductivity of bone, or mammoth/elephant/rhino tusk :D (what was that CITES talk about :p) and a piece of horn for the mouthpiece of course... :lol:
    Or is there also a non working prototype of that? - when is the History of Vapman Book coming out :) ?
     
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  15. vapman

    vapman Well-Known Member Manufacturer

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    The bowl has to be copper or silver, not even steel would work on vapman! We must not forget the mid-section, there we have a problem with the mouthpiece. To stick the mouthpiece into hot metal or stone is not a good idea, there we need wood again to keep the heat away from the mouthpiece. Making vapman out of something else than wood is difficult and, here comes the point, doesn't make vapman any better in function, only different in maintenance!

    vapman:)
     
  16. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Shouldn't be a problem I'd think. The lower sections have 'burls', very dense sections that will sprout and grow if they're fresh and you keep them wet. You can grow an entire tree from a small part of a burl. Big pieces are used for tables and stuff:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=red...7w-nZAhXIsVQKHfVkA7AQsAQI2QI&biw=1400&bih=889

    I suspect if you asked for small pieces of 'densest possible' burl wood you'd be in business?

    There is very little 'old growth' wood harvested these days, most of it is 'farmed' from smaller trees planted to harvest, but the really good stuff is available I believe.

    OF
     
  17. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    @vapman please Look into Redwood. A Redwoold version sounds really nice - color me interested
     
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  18. szai

    szai Well-Known Member

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    Me too that sounds amazing. A combo ceramic and wood would be awesome for traveling!
     
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  19. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    @szai I am alread worried about dropping / breaking the wooden vapman: ceramic sounds like it will brake faster, no ?
     
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  20. szai

    szai Well-Known Member

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    If it was encased in wood? It might be more durable.

    My desires are very simple a travel vape that's easily sterilized. I already have one would like another. Also being able to use bud and concentrates especially hash.
     
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  21. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Could be great fun, indeed. These guys are big, perhaps this will help:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=dri...2x5enZAhWhq1QKHaTeC5cQsAQIcA&biw=1400&bih=889

    The drive through tree I used to drive through sadly fell down in a storm a while back, the hole weakens them in the foundation it seems. The same weight of tree has less 'footprint' on the stump?

    Anyway, the wood from the very base, burl, can be amazing in grain patterns. The tables are serious stuff. The best will be 'old growth' or better still the almost gone 'virgin'. It takes hundreds of years to get really good pieces, fence wood not so much so. I too would love to have one, perhaps so because I live near them, and have a baby one (maybe 40 feet) in the yard I planted back when I was taller than it. Amazing trees, over on the coast they actually harvest the ever present fog for water. Better than having to 'pump' it up 300 feet or so I guess? Anyway, they draw an amazing quantity, creating a 'rain forest' of sorts in a place way to cool for that to happen otherwise. When one dies naturally, sun gets in and young trees get a chance. This often results in 'fairy rings' of trees all the same age around a long gone stump. Modern logging fixes that, of course. At one point not too long ago you could see the highway in a plane photo, it had a couple hundred feet of trees left on each side so the citizens wouldn't get too upset. That has largely healed up, or at least recovering where it's allowed to.

    Make a great VM. Although I do like the wood sleeve over the ceramic core idea......

    That depends (doesn't it always?). Alumina (common ceramics) can be brittle for sure. Not all are. And other types (like Zirconia) can be amazingly tough. Like hammering nails and making knife blades tough. More expensive, but not unreasonably so. Very much denser, too.

    OF
     
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  22. Phenix

    Phenix Well-Known Member

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    Valid points @OF.
    However I guess Redwood is actually a vivid idea (if @vapman can source it) while ceramic requires more work - design, prototyping, testing and more takes time.
     
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  23. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Run on long enough and it's bound to happen sooner or later. Random chance alone would explain it? No guarantee it's likely to happen again soon, either......

    Thanks for participating, fun stuff for sure.

    OF
     
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  24. Used2use

    Used2use Sometimes to stupid to become a fool

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    Another thing i'm wondering is, wouldn't it be possible to adapt the bowl/pan for a standard e-cig 510 battery with 3 heating coils around the inlet tubes?
     
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  25. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    There's probably a problem getting enough power in that way, the lighter really provides a lot of heat. And you'd need to heat the pan, heating the tubes isn't going to feed the bulldog as they say. It's conduction, not convection, if the pan is cold you're not going to make vapor?

    It would be nice I guess, but there's too much against it being practical?

    VM, in the end, is a superbly designed and made think. Lots of 'cut and try' went into it being as successful as it is.

    If you want something on top of a high power 510 mod for herbs you might check out the DT Herb Cart. It uses a thin walled ceramic bowl with a heater deposited on the outside. It's glazed (coated in glass) so it's got the storied 'all glass vapor path' designed in. Fun and useful think, but without the charm of the VM.

    Here's a link with 'good guy' pricing:
    http://ineedhemp.com/product/generation-2-dc-ceramic-rebuildable-dry-herb-atomizer-copy/

    You'll need a medium serious mod to run it, something TCR capable and good for 30 Watts or so minimum. Lots of good information in the DT thread, unfortunately mixed with several models. Good stuff, but not a VM.....
    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/divine-tribe-attys.14455/

    I suggest searching for 'Gen 2' or 'herb cart' to find when it came out (a year or so back?) and go forward from there.

    Regards to all.

    OF
     
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