Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by stonemonkey55, Mar 1, 2012.
I going to go ahead and assume you bought your cloud directly from vapexhale.
Any comments from other users who have had multiple failures as to voltage stability and other ideas as to factors would be useful to see posted here and maybe we can identify a pattern so as to avoid future grief (I, personally, will be hooking up a UPS)
It hurts to read this thread tonight. I was all happy about how solid the unit is & positive posts, and then...
I wouldn't necessarily take this as a reason to not buy a Cloud ... I still love my Clouds and 2 different units inside a <3 week period is more than just coincidence in my opinion so there must be some sort of common underlying reason. I'm going to purchase a voltage regulator for it (as opposed to just a surge protector)
I'm thinking the APC LE600 ...
The warranty extension could simply be because they are about to launch the product in Europe and by law they have to offer a two-year warranty to the original purchaser there. Obviously, they couldn't do that and still offer only one year to US customers without ruffling feathers.
Dude...enough, for real. If you're this worried about it then don't buy one or return/sell the one you bought. I rarely post in this thread but lately you've just been killin the vibe in here. This thing kicks serious ass, that's what's up. Yes, there have been problems with some units. They're working on it and trying to make it right. My backup is a VHW and I've used a Volcano, Zephyr Ion, Extreme-Q and SSV extensively in the past and I would still NEVER trade my ticking Cloud for any or all of those vapes. I've been fortunate enough to not have any problems with my Cloud (I baby the hell out of it) and it's amazing. Please just stop the bullshit speculation until you actually try it or just keep those kind of statements to yourself...
You're reading too much into these posts.
Thanks for that post, I was hoping someone would make it crystal clear that voltage surges are an entirely different animal than incoming wave fluctuations from the grid. Ranges which are perfectly "legal" from the grid can of course seriously damage some electronics equipment. It's a reason why system builders look for sufficient VR's on motherboards. Less expensive protection equipment has zero to very limited fluctuation protection, although claims might make one think otherwise. (I like APC, fwiw.)
Perhaps it would be a good question to VXL, i.e., is there a safe operating range requirement, and if so, what protection is there in the Cloud for this?
Could but isn't. That would be a marketing decision. Of course, if left to marketing, everyone would be given a lifelong warranty. For VXL, there is no doubt a marketing dimension, if no other reason than to stimulate demand.
But warranty is first and foremost a financial decision. It's driven by engineering and cost accounting. Without the costs in proper alignment, doubling coverage could have serious consequences.
I looked this up. It is rated at 5amps. Do you know the power draw of the Cloud? I do think for you it is a good idea to get a voltage regulator.
I dont own one, bud. Im here to research to see if it is worth owning. What Im seeing today isnt positive.
How is what you said relative to that anyway? (Wow...)
And I quote my message you are responding to: "It hurts to read this thread tonight. I was all happy about how solid the unit is & positive posts, and then..."
^This means "It stinks to see people down talking what Ive been looking forward to, and not for you to think "Hey! I should cuss this guy out! Awesome!"
To the Cloud: Do any of you guys have an ash catcher to give me an idea of the additional moisture added to vapor to comfort the lungs opposed to just your bong when using the Cloud?
I just want to know if it can be tamed, and to hear from someone that doesn't mind comparing with and without an ash catcher. I think a pre-cooler may be what I need. I'm still somehow getting too much heat to my lungs with an LSV, I guess because the distance from the heating element is the distance of a whip. I really dont know, but trying to figure it out, and is 1 reason I am researching the Cloud.
I have a theory that steaming hot water in a pre-cooler would heavily moisturize the initial vapor release, and then have room temp water to simply diffuse remaining heat in your main bong. Am I way off on my thoughts? (probably...)
This is my first post here and may be a bit off topic or in the wrong thread, but I have definitely decided to purchase one of the Cloud Packages thanks to all the awesome and thorough feedback on here. That being said, I am looking for some feedback or a comparison on the various HydraTubes and how they perform. I have searched this thread exhaustively and couldn't find anything of the sort, so I'd appreciate any info you guys can provide. The youtube videos are cool and all, but only someone with experienced can provide the answers I am looking for.
My initial thought is to go with the standard ShowerDome for the following reasons:
1) It has to be the most difficult to break of all the models it since it is a straight tube with thick enough glass (4-5 mm).
2) My primary concern is how much drag there will be and whether or not I will have to really use my lungs just to funnel the vapor through the various percolators and chambers. Some reviews have noted that it does require you to suck hard to draw the vapor, but it is obvious that this is largely dependent on what kind of HydraTube you are using.
I think the Swagger Jack models are definitely not for me since all that percolation is just overkill and unnecessary IMO. The Soulshine Hydraline seems like it offers a path of least resistance from the unit to your mouth since it appears to have direct access without the need to travel through multiple chambers ... however, I am concerned that this model would be really easy to break given the odd shape and how weak the glass probably is in the section that connects.
Also, I can just as easily invert the Cloud and stick it right into my 18mm RooR diffuser if I wanted to, correct?
I'm leaning heavily toward the ShowerDome, but they are sold out and I have no idea when they expect to be restocked so I may have to bite the bullet and go with a different model.
Thanks for the help, guys ...
Nice first post.
I'd like to hear what people say about the various glass packages the Cloud comes with, too. Anyone with more than one VXC glass component can offer comparisons, please.
I have the original shower dome and I really like it. Though its my first nice glass piece so I don't have anything to compare it to. I've read from someone who has both the original tree and showerdome, they said there about the same as far as drag and performance.
When using the showerdome with the cloud there really isn't much drag to complain about. Probably a little more than some other pieces, though I don't have anything to compare it to. I actually like my showerdome because its just the right level of diffusion and volume.
swagger circ doesn't look to bad as far as diffusion goes.
You could - Personally I wouldn't let it hang there by its self, you could do so safely by supporting it while you hit it.
I have both one of the original ShowerDomes and one of the original VXL HydraCircs (before Evolver but very similar ... one was for sale recently in Classifieds and mine is the same as that one from what I can tell). Both have very little drag ... although I find the HydraCirc might have slightly higher diffusion and slightly less drag (and I do emphasize slightly) ... the difference between the 2 pieces to me is more the size of the mouth more than anything else ... I prefer the smaller diameter on the hydracirc but I like doing straight ice and no water sometimes in the showerdome ...
I'd join a Cloud cult in a second.
amazing first post...noticed you signed up today, just curious where you got all your cloud info if not from this awesome site. if you read this entire thread today that would be even more amazing than your post and kudos for that.
I've had the devastator and the ssfg hydraline..... really like both!
Devastator does work;
Hydraline feels like nothing at all to pull...
dry with just the mouth piece is a hit as well.... I definitely rotate between the three, for variety sake, but honestly, I don't have a preference...
unfortunately, the clumsy one in the house, broke the devastator within a months time... and is no longer allowed to use the Cloud without direct supervision!
Alright ... I ordered one of these to make sure the voltage remains stable at all times on all future Clouds
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I have an early HydraCirc and agree that is has very little drag with nice diffusion for its size; simple and effective. I also have a HydraLine which has virtually no drag and very smooth soft fizz diffusion. (I've read that the Showercap is as drag free; it uses the least water.) The HL is very well made. You're right that the intake arm makes it vulnerable if dropped on that side, and initially I was a bit concerned about that. But now I've been using it for months and sharing it with friends, never a mishap (a stand or holder is important) and it is very popular. And, oh, I like ice too and the HL not only has pinches but also good backflow protection should too much ice melt and overfill the chamber.
Presumably your Roor downstem is in at an angle like with a bong? You can insert the Cloud into the RooR joint, but you need to fully support its weight to protect the Cloud's joint. If you go that route I would strongly recommend a 45 male/female adapter so you can invert the Cloud vertically. Btw I have a similar diffused downstem into a 12"x2" bong and I don't like using it with the Cloud, not good air ratio and for me at least not pleasant to pull with that wide a bore.
As a new member of the 2% crowd, I sent my unit back today... And my Pax, which stopped charging... We'll see who wins the race back to my loving home!
Don't forget which ones are easier to clean. My hydracirc is hard to get the water out of. There is no straight dump path. The Hydraline looks like the winner to me for ease of pull and ease of clean. That joint sticking out concerns me a bit because I am clumsy but people on the forum say it is strong.
I used a surge protector and she still went dead on me, but don't mind if I do...
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Thanks for all the kind words and helpful comments, guys. As most of you know, this thread is pretty much the sole source of information on the Cloud ... I didn't read through every post, but did learn a lot from scanning.
Thanks for the really helpful reply oldiebutgoodie ... definitely hear ya on the 45 male/female adapter.
One of the main reasons I was interested in the HydraLine was because it had the ice catcher and the wider mouth. I have this silly but possibly true theory in that you get higher from bongs because you open up your lungs and let the smoke/vapor flow directly in (it's impossible to prevent), as opposed to sucking the smoke/vapor into your mouth and then having to inhale manually. For this reason I wasn't drawn to the other HydraTubes that have the smaller mouths.
I've browsed around looking for the best deal and I found a great one on EZVaporizers. They have the Evolver HydraCirc 2.0 that comes with a free grinder (nothing amazing but still worth $10-20) and a few options for free storage containers ... factoring in a 10% coupon code and free priority shipping it comes out to $517 for the package. The VapExhale website would cost $575 + 20$ shipping for the same package (without the extra goodies too), although I could then get the HydraLine.
I would definitely choose the HydraLine over the HydraCirc 2.0 if I had the choice, but I kind of feel like it's a no brainer to take the $80 discount and then I could always just use the Cloud with my other glass that has ice-catchers and diffusers if I'm in the mood to mix it up. My only issue is whether or not EZVaporizers are already carrying the Cloud Plus models with the faster heat up time and if the warranty is now 2 years (I assume it is since they offer the default manufacturers warranty). I guess I'll let you guys know once I speak with them tomorrow in case anyone else is interested ... seems like the best deal out there right now.
Since I had multiple broken units, I asked them if I should buy that and they told me they could not recommend a third party product. So I'm still on the surge protector.
That's hilarious man, although I'd cry if someone broke my devastator. I currently own the SSFG Hydraline and use it with my VaporBLUNT 2.0 (until my Cloud arrives), and you're absolutely right, there is almost zero restriction/drag. The only thing that semi-bugs me is the fact there's no splash-guard. Other than that, the glass is very well made; I'd expect nothing less from SSFG.
Do you know what your power is like? Even just from word-of-mouth talking to neighbours etc? I know for a fact our voltage fluctuates quite a bit.
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