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Discussion in 'The Vapor Lounge' started by lwien, Feb 9, 2013.

  1. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    You're new hobby's gettin' expensive, eh? Yeah, that 21 yr old Portwood is going to be adding a bit of a Port wine flavor to your scotch. Yum.......
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  2. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl i i i

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    Is Hennessy allowed in here? I've got some laying around, though I'm not much of a fan of it... Give me wine or a craft beer :tup:
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    Craft beer, yes… How about bourbon barrel aged beer? Mmm…

    I'm jealous of the beer you guys have over there in Cali.
  4. Curiousone

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    Henn is good, I really like cognacs also. Henn. XO, OMG great stuff. Expensive though.
  5. Kian

    Kian oddball musician

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    Whiskey is a sipping drink for sure. i never use it to get drunk, but it's lovely to have a glass of a good single in the winter evenings, whiskey always makes me want good hash. I somehow haven't touched any whiskey all winter, got about 6 bottles that have aged the extra year nothing particularly old to begin with. 12 and 15 year old Glenlivet (the 15 was like tropical fruit!), some trusty 10 year old Jura (my general any time whiskey), an interesting 10 year old Japanese Yamazaki and two of my favourites, the 46% Madeira cask Penderyn (Welsh) and a bottle of Glenrothes Select Reserve (another strong one, 43%).
    I drink it so rarely that they taste different every time I go back to a bottle, even the Jura has matured and developed a deep toffee flavour behind the smokey hit.

    I'm more into 100% Agave Tequilas and real Absinthe for the rest of the year.
  6. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    God Damnit. Now your gonna make me get some Glenlivet 15 a bit sooner than I wanted. ;)
  7. Vapinghole

    Vapinghole Low-Temp Hempist / JedHI Master

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    Well, Makers reversed their decision. No dilution. I still won't drink it, but a good decision for them.
  8. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I heard about that yesterday. Had to wonder if it was a publicity stunt. They sure got a lot of free press over this.
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    Sipping on some Rittenhouse 101 tonight. What's in your glass?
  10. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Glenlivet 15
  11. pakalolo

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    Same.
  12. that herb guy

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    Deal too sweet to pass up, but just Canadian Whiskey rather than a scotch:shrug:.

    Crown Black 1.75L for ~$40? Couldn't just walk past that.
  13. goatgobaahh

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    After a long day I love some of my Caol Ila! Easily one of my top 3 single malts!
  14. WatTyler

    WatTyler Revolting Peasant

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    Caol Ila is a fine malt! i love smoky peaty islay whisky

    Hey guys, looks like I'm late to the party! Not been around here for ages, until a private message just brought me back.... and then I smelled whisky! I've missed FC!

    I love the stuff and drink it most evenings along with my vapor, which is probably a little too often, although before I first moved to Scotland ten years ago I hated it tbh.

    Just took a quick pic of the current selection to show off, and it's started my cravings- 6pm is a little earlier than usual, and it's is only Monday, but what the hell.... a wee dram whilst I post this! (by the time I'm actually pressing submit it's hours, and several glasses, later!)

    So here's what I'm drinking currently:

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    Nothing rare or special at the moment, but all very tasty!

    From the left we have a wee bottle of Jura "Superstition" alongside a bottle of the classic Jura 10yo. Then a bottle of Lagavulin I always have a bottle of this in the house- it's a very strong, very rich, velvety, very peated Islay malt. My favourite of the Islay whiskys, but definately not for the faint hearted- don't spend the extra money on it unless you already know you like the heavily peated style charachteristic of Islay (some might compare it to TCP or iodine). If you do then definaitely try this.... it might even be my overall favourite tipple.

    Next up also from Islay is the old favourite Laphroaig 10yo, and a bottle of Laphroaig Quarter cask- the small quarter size cask speeds up maturation (no age statement on bottle, but it's 5 years, then another 7 months in a small cask). It's really impressive for the age. Then we have Talisker 10yo from the Isle of Skye- this is also a favourite and I always have a botlle on the go. It's peppery and spicy and almost salty too. I recommend it to anyone. Then there's Highland Park 12yo from Orkney. I think some others in the thread were enjoying this one too? It's OK, not a favourite of mine though (I think they use a lot of this in the Famous Grouse blend- it's the same owners).

    Then there's a Highland malt- Glen Garioch- Founders reserve this is the first bottle I've had of this- my partner gave it to me for my birthday last week- and it definately won't be the last. It really is fantastic. It's bottled as cask strength (48%) but I do enjoy it neat nonetheless. It's really dominated by sweet butterscotch and honey notes, but with a clean finish. It's really sooo tasty and a new favourite of mine I think. There's no age statement on it, but don't let that detract from its appeal. I was interested to read in this thread about Bourbon being watered down in order to be able to meet increasing quantity demand. Well, Scottish whisky has the same problem: that of increasing demand and the need to predict it many years in advance- many more years in the case of single malt scotch than that of Bourbon. In an article I recenty read it suggested that Diageo (own lots of the distilleries) move away from providing age statements on bottles may be a way of increasing their supply- they can bulk out the whisky with younger ones, thus making the older casks which give the flavour spread further (it's worth noting that the age statement given is for the youngest of the whisky used in the bottle- in fact a lot of whats gone into the bottle may be from much older casks- I didn't know this for a long time). Diageo themselves say that this isn't the case, and that actually there are far more factors in determining a good whisky than simply age, and so they're trying to alter the market and shift consumer focus away from the age statement, even to the extent of leaving it off the bottle of some quality whisky's. The guys that own Chivas Regal on the other hand have a different view and they make a big deal about age statements even on their blends, but then apparently they also have ample reserves of older casks. I think the conclusion was that time will tell over the next couple of years as to whether Diageo can shift consumer focus away from just the age statement. Anyway, I digress from my show and tell....

    Next to the right theres a Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban which is their Port cask matured, rich and wintry with a long port finish as you might expect, and a classic Glenmorangie 10yo. Then another classic, Glenfiddich 12yo and what seems to be a popular choice- The Glenlivet 12yo. And rightly so- it's definitely a special whisky. I was interested to read that it was lwein's intro to single malt- this is he one that i would recommend to anyone who was new to single malt whisky. It's flavours are delicate, clean, mild and inoffensive and needs the least getting used to. I could nearly drink this first thing in the morning. Finally I have another bottle I got for my birthday- a Speyside malt called Glen Moray 10yo. Unitl recently I think this distillery was owned by Glenmorangie. This one was matured in a chardonnay cask. It's nice with butterscotch notes, though I'm not sure it will be on my 'always in the cupboard' list. I have others I prefer more.

    So yeah, I can be a whisky bore as well as a weed bore.

    Ice- I agree with Pakalolo- never. Water on the otherhand is essential to proper release of flavour. Most whisky benefits IMO from some degree of dilution, and the flavour profile can change dramatically depending on how much you do dilute it. It's definitely worth experimenting IMO.

    Glencairn glass- I too think they're brilliant.

    Bourbon- I do like it too, although it's harder to get over here much beyond JD and Jim Beam without searching, and I haven't searched much and just have the few Jack Daniels variants. It's not as cmoplex as malt whisky though. But if it wasn't for Bourbon scotch would be in trouble- so much of it depends on a good supply of bourbon casks. In fact I think one of this funny things about single malts is how dependent they are upon the previous users of the cask (port, bourbon, sherry etc) to give the whisky the desired characteristics. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that Bourbon has to be made in a virgin cask. I'm guessing that this is partly why, in my experience at least, bourbon flavours are more predictable with less variance. I haven't drank enough varieties though to speak with any confidence. I'm keen to hear of any quality bourbon reccomendations?

    I've never yet tried Japanese whisky and it's on my list to try. Also Sweden is the country to watch over the coming years- they're supposedly distilling like mad at the moment getting it in the warehouses to mature. They like it very peaty so I've heard. Also nterested in the Welsh whisky that kian mentioned up the page- Penderyn. I heard they get their mash from Brains brewery nearby. There is also a distillery in England, but I'm not sure what it's like.

    So much whisky, and so many reasons to limit my consumption. I wish I could feel, as some do, the same passion about excerize or vegetable as I do about my unhealthy indulgences. But not to end on a downer- whisky's great!
  15. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, not my favorite either. A bit too smokey on the finish for me.

    Yup. Really enjoyed it. Just got a bottle of Glenlivet 15. Same signature, if you will, as the 12, with a bit more "body". Jury's still out as I haven't had enough experience with it yet, but I do like it more than the Highland.

    Next on my list to try is the Macallan 12, Dalmore 12 and the Balvenie 12 Doublewood.

    Nice collection ya got there WT.
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  16. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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    Just a bit of Bourbon tonight.

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  17. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Love the way that's dripping down the sides of the glass. Great pic.
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  18. WatTyler

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    mmmm yeah, lovely slow legs, spread nice and far - just the way I like 'em :brow: . I really do want to taste that. Nice that it gives a production date too. Last night I did find an online bourbon retailer here in the UK, and so I think I'm going to try a bottle of something half decent. Any suggestions? I like those legs on deadheadbills Jeffersons Presidential, but they don't have that here- they do have Jeffersons Very Old though. Probably not as good as the presidents? And it doesn't have the fancy batch label. IDK.... for $82 I could get a guarunteed nice bottle of scotch instead http://www.bourbonwhisky.co.uk/20101127159/jeffersons-reserve-very-old.html

    I was thinking that some of you guys just venturing into single malts might benefit from the flavour chart, if you haven't seen it already. It great for helping decide which characteristic of whisky you want to explore with your next bottle- either something similar grouped close to your favourite, or fly across to the other side to try something different. Or, you might also find an area of the chart you want to steer clear of all together. There are other examples out there with different malts plotted on, but this one shows a fair selecton.

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  19. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Thanks a bunch for this. Never saw it before. Very helpful. Wonder why Dalmore isn't on it though.
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  22. WatTyler

    WatTyler Revolting Peasant

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    I think it's just a relatively narrow selection they've chose to display on that chart to keep it clear/manageable.

    This sales website is good for presenting a much wider range of bottles according to the flavour map: http://www.lfw.co.uk/acatalog/Flavour_Map.html

    You can click on whatever square of the chart you're interested in, and it brings up the corresponding whiskies in a list to the right. Or if you're looking at a particular specific bottle it tells you below it's description where it falls on the chart.

    I just had a look and Dalmore 12yo comes in at square J3 "on the rich side of rich and delicate". Or the Dalmore 50yo (3oz for £720/~$1100) is in H4... I'd love to try it, but never will I pass that much money through my bladder! It would have to be a gift (that I couldn't resell)! Unfortunately that's not gonna happen, so I can only dream about how it tastes.... Or read the tasting notes "Distinctly orange about the nose with lots of very old things; warehouses, sea lockers, musty stuff" hmmmm I'm sure it's delicious.
  23. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    So, I've been sippin' on some Balvenie 12 Doublewood: First aged in classic whiskey oak casks followed by some aging in Sherry casks. What ya get is a nice single malt scotch with some sherry overtones. Tasty............
  24. Symbolik

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    I myself am a rum kinda person. Whenever I drink I have some Sailor Jerry's (too much usually haha) but I rarely drink and could never see myself as a person who would sip on Alc
  25. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Neither did I until I starting sniffin' and sippin' single malts.

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