Thermovape Cera

When you are using the Cera LL you have to remember.. This is a very powerful device, expensive too. Very nifty pieces are placed in very specific places to create a kinda neat final product. This is a very high quality custom item, almost all high quality custom items require a technique to be able to work properly. If you buy a high tech remote controlled helicopter drone you better believe you're going to need technique to get that thing in the air and to not crash immediately. The point is, things take time, and high quality custom items take time to adjust to each user. The technique on the LL is going to be everything. Getting that one specific airflow that gives you vapor galore will be key. It may take a bit or so to get used to your new Cera but once you get that technique down, well lets just say you will be doing a lot of this . Cheers As always- 7upstar

OF

Do you think that using a "thinner" concentrate would help when first priming a new EO core? as i understand its somewhat harder to load a dry core. I am thinking that loading some tetra labs Pure Gold might be my best best for christening my EO core.

also, say one were to use a cleaner concentrate exclusively (such as pg). How often would you recommend cleanings?

thanks in advance

Yes, I think it does, in fact it did in the only case I've tried. I just got that custom wound oil cart from Tim. I was trying to get a cart with a high enough resistance so regulated VV supplies would not reject it as a shorted cart. Tim got to barely make one of them at an indicated 1.2 Ohms, but the higher resistance means it doesn't make full power at 3.7 Volts any more. So I went with a 'medium weight' CO2 oil, clean but thick when cool. I put .5 grams into the cavity on top and gave it 3 ten second or so shots of hot and set it aside to let the heat work through the block. A few minutes later it was a thin (viscous) liquid puddle in the bottom of the chamber (on top of the plate), perhaps 1/3 or so the full? It had a steep concave surface (it was 'climbing the walls'). 10 or so seconds more heat and down it went and I was golden.

I want to try it again, but a 'two stage' load seems to work very well. Letting it get fairly hot by sitting in a hot body (or at least warming) in the upper chamber until it's fairly well melted, then heating the core. It seemed to me that when the core got hot enough some threshold was reached. I cut power and let it distribute itself and then hit it lightly for a few times. I think hitting it hard before its well worked in is a mistake, but haven't tried it....

I still intend to get a PG only cart going, but this one went to another cause (the high resistance experiment) so until I get it rewound (if I do, it has promise if the right supply can be found), that PG test will have to wait I'm afraid.

Not to be glib, but I don't think I can afford enough PG to foul one of these guys out. And if I finally did, not only should it be falling down easy to clean relative to the ones dealing with lots of junk but simple replacement becomes a trivial 'tax' on one's PG bill you know.....

And then there's the bit Tim said when he handed it to me, 'this might be just the ticket for PG'..... You never know, he could be right this time..... He's about due, doncha think?

Maybe when I give up on this test I should clean it out and start over with PG, although what that might mean with standard power levels would be anyone's guess?

But, yes, I think thin concentrate, especially coupled with pre heating in the chamber on top, is a good way to go. More research is clearly needed, volunteers eagerly sought....

OF

Are there any pass-throughs available for the Cera EO? Would a different passthrough work?

The Cera sounds great and I'm sure there's a reason for this, but why isn't a battery and charger included with the vape? Seems kinda cheesy to charge $20 extra for each of two things required to use a $250 product..

They have it set up is when you pick the Cera vaporizer you want it automatically check marks the battery and charger. That way if you already have a battery and charger you can uncheck it. Although when you are looking at the store you see the oil vaporizer you want for $249.99 so you click on it and then you see the price jump $289.97. Then you realize the oil vaporizer is $249.99 without the battery and charger. It might be more user friendly to show the vaporizer as $289.97 and then when you click on the vaporizer you want you can uncheck the charger and battery and bring it down to $249.99.

Wouldn't you be more angry at the company that FORCES you to buy everything? Thermovape knows at this price level most of us have PLENTY of 18650's and chargers, and would be complaining if they forced us to buy another off them.

I'm so happy to have access to PG all the time that stuff is magical, even out of a shitty micro G pen that makes everything taste burnt . Cant wait to get some in the Cera and see how it really tastes. As soon as i get a tracking number I'm gonna go nuts at the dispensary, I'm thinking a gram and a half of PG and and eighth of other some awesome waxes to break her in .

I hate you, please ban him for bragging.

Not yet, but there are a couple of designs in the works. It's not as easy as it might be since 3.7 Volt wall worts basically don't exist. One scheme being looking into involves a buck converter in the Cera body for the Geeks out in the cheap seats.....

And of course the new thread part will have to be resolved, perhaps by a thread adapter?

My guess is by mid spring we'll have at least one available.

Not surprisingly you're not the first to hold that opinion. It was beat up a LOT early on, dozens of posts, you might use search if you're really interested. The short of it is the product is offered 'al la carte' rather than as a package because that's what we requested them to do. Serioulsy. We asked for it, they obliged. Hard to condemn them for that?

Forget that, he'll just make up a new name and come back to taunt us. I know a guy I used to work with that knows a couple of Italian guys that like to hurt people......

OF

Vitolo and I are a couple of Italian guys ...But I'm usually too medicated to want to hurt anything more substantial than a large pizza.

At first I thought the separate battery & charger was odd...but when you really think about it, it makes sense. Definitely in line with TETs modular approach.

I wonder if I can find anything like PG around Colorado. I checked it out on their website to see what it is even and haven't really seen something like that around the dispensaries. I've been making a mental list when I go shopping of what I want to come back and buy for the Cera when it becomes time. If I save up now, it will just disappear in the meantime... Anyone in CO know aboutt this stuff?

been thinking about this since OF posted those pics





sorry for the shit photochop

me too... but you can add the Ultra body into that photochop too both would ROCK for the EO or EL.

Hey, I've been using it..... Boys and girls, we're onto something here......

Funny you should put it on the larger supply. I did that too and while the battery life was definitely better it was a bigger in the hand and pocket. Something folks will want to decide for themselves I think.

Consider that even with the adapter I'm using right now the Cera cart and adapter are shorter than the DART body (minus MP in both cases) and no bigger in diameter than the body. the whole package ends up being easier than DART to stash in a shirt pocket! And it hits a little harder once it's warmed up, not to mention taking a much larger load of concentrate.

Yup, I'm testing this guy a lot. No need to thank me for that, I'm sure if you had one you'd be testing too? Still have a few things to sort out but it's a fun little project.

BTW I put a short piece of silicone tube on the nut, it makes it feel more natural in the hand somehow. It's in my shirt pocket even now......waiting, patiently.....

OF

I doubt we have enough miles down the road on the ecig liquid cartridge to make an assumption just yet. I plan to give it a go, but we need a few dozen people using it daily it & providing feedback. a few weeks longer to wait seems like.

Same as with the other 2 cores, technique is important. Learning the cores, heat, convection, batteries, the quality of xxx products we put in Cera.... A lot of variables to juggle initially which create the learning curve.

hot damn! i would imagine the finished adapter/brass nut would get the standard TET nickle plate treatment no...?

loving the sound of all of this. now TET should make a new Dart loader mouthpiece for using the EO cart w/out Cera. the idea of a higher capacity Dart is crazy. cant wait.

If they do as I expect, yes. I'd recommend a replacement 'adapter' piece, the one that threads onto the outer tube and cart and carries the switch. It would simply be a cylinder I'd think with the same switch transferred over. No need for 510 threads and the extra connections. So, yes, I'd expect Ni plate Al. Adapters (to and from 510) I'd expect would be plated brass.

Adapters have some contact issues as I said, mine are hand fitted. This means a different design is needed for use on Persei and other supplies which have 'hard' sockets. TV corrects this with the floating switch (or battery in Cera), but e-cig technology depends on some 'give' in the cart end of things. Not trivial.

Yeah, it's pretty cool for what it is. Sorry, you'll have to wait I'm afraid, or cobble up something of your own to play with?

OF

I'm wondering if this new core would fit inside of the RES chamber on an UltraMax? The RES threads have a switch on it, but 510 threads. I had to give up on the RES, it was becoming too restrictive for airflow. My theory is something is clogging up the ceramic. I've tried boiling it and even tried boiling with vinegar, but whenever I attempt to put liquid on the RES, the draw becomes very tight and I'll get dry hits. OF, what's the diameter of the core?

It probably won't work. My understanding of the RES tank is that the AVA would screw into it. The AVA is really thin compared to the CEO. If you look back a few pages at the post OF made with the new adapter he made, you'll notice that the CEO cart is about as thick as the Ultra? I think that's about the same diameter as the RES tank... you'd have a hell of a time trying to get one inside the other

Hey 2click, I believe you missed what OF had said a little while back, and this arrangment might have possibilities. The T1 less heater core, 510-3/8 nut. and....



OF, does this still have possibilities? Just guessing on the fit.
Only problem would be if using 18650s and spring mod the reverse dead man's switch. Would have to remove the top to turn off.
Can always use the 17500s.
Sorry for the editing on the fly hit wrong button early.
After though is the 17500s are good for EO but would go the 18650 for LL.

Pipes

The RES is made up of three parts. Thread adapter, which screws directly onto the main sleeve. Outer shell and the ceramic RES with top. You can screw everything in except the RES and you'll have a cylinder that the core could fit into. However, the base of the thread adapter is a 510 thread.

Yes, I haven't actually tried it, but the Cera tube is 3/4 ID (1 inch OD, 1/8 walls) so I think it's fine. I just haven't tried it since the adapter I'm using wasn't intended for it. I'm sure it can be made to work.

I agree, for LL 18650s are the call, probably better for EO as well, but smaller is better.

OF

Yes, I believe it's the same as the T1 outer cylinder.
Same deal.

Pipes

Yeah, T1 and UltraMax are basically the same thing... without the derlin sleeve. The diameter of the RES outer shell is 3/4. If thermovape is going to do an adapter, I imagine it would be the RES switch plate, and instead of 510 threads for the AVA, it would have the threads for the EO, LG core to screw into.