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Thermovape Cera

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by SameOldTim, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. YeeeBuddy

    YeeeBuddy Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty disturbed at the lack of info by the few lucky ones .
     
  2. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD 宇宙

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    They're all obviously stoned to a coma.
     
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  3. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member

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    I think I'll hold that title unless anyone orders one from very northern Canada ... I'm as far north as you get in Ontario by paved road!
     
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  4. Snart420

    Snart420 7:10 Again

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    It tastes very good . The flavor is not that roasted tasting flavor you get with some vapes. Also it must be primed properly with a couple of small dabs. Then she will then produce some of the most dense flavorful vapor you could imagine .
     
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  5. JoeKickass

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    Hehe, that's pretty much what it looked like on video! No way Noah could take those hits if they were even the slightest bit harsh...
    Glad to hear it :)

    I'm mainly concerned about the flower core, I mean it looked kind of ok in the videos, but Noah was working his ass off for those big hits! The one flower core review ended up being a bad core (hopefully) so I think that's the main product that could really use some endorsement
     
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  6. LeTchen

    LeTchen A toute vapeur ! Retailer

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    I would love to re-order a Cera right away, but I think wisdom is to wait to know more about the two cartridges that particularly interest me (LL and EL). I prefer that TET has set the small details such as switches, etc, to see more clearly and know exactly what I will order..... in short, it is better that I calm my passion and I make my purchase in a thoughtful way and not impulsive.
     
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  7. smokum

    smokum I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!

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    As far as member endorsement, I'd like to see more on the LL and particularly the Ejuice cores (which were never demonstrated in the early vids form Noah. Those mean a lot to ME.

    The EO cores received a flood of vid coverage from Noah, and I think it's pretty straight forward even though I 'would' like to see some real life use from others as well.

    I'm really anxious to get back on the order train after cancelling, but I'm doing it this time with some regular user opinions (and hopefully vid), and reviews.
     
  8. NoName

    NoName Well-Known Member

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    JK,

    I'm right there with you - especially in TITANIUM!!!!!!!

    NN
     
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  9. VapeStL

    VapeStL Active Member

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    Sorry to pepper you with questions, no doubt others will chime in this week as more Cera's arrive.

    Has the oil core made you cough yet? Errrrl always makes me cough.
     
  10. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you, guys shopping for 'huge clouds' should not be getting their hopes up too high. I've tried to be clear about that all along, but 'hope springs eternal' as they say.

    Please stop and reflect, this is an improved T1. Not magic. It uses a smaller load (something asked for) and at much lower power (also a design goal we asked for). Those two go together to some extent, larger loads would need more power for the same performance. Cera optimized bowl shape and improved insulation but this is just improvement, not earth shaking breakthroughs. Higher volume output is possible by pushing the factors, but it's a push. Noah did pretty good IMO, I can't match that really I don't think. And for sure neither of us can do so casually. If 'huge clouds' are the call for you I still think much larger loads and more power is the better way to get there. Kiss off long battery life and frugal use of bud of course, but having tried both Bender will get you huge clouds way better than Cera. FlashVape will also give impressive performance and very fast, but again using more power and bigger loads to do so. It's in the nature of the designs I think. No magic in Cera, past it's using very solid engineering and materials to meet it's design goals. There are techniques to maximize production, but they only go so far and have trade offs getting there.

    Another point I think some might be missing is the power thing. It's not as simple as picking bigger numbers. First consider the numbers are only a 'snapshot in time' and while useful for relative ratings the ranges overlap hugely. I believe the carts are rated by TV at nominal (3.7) voltage. Let's assume they are, the example holds no matter what the scale is really. A one Ohm cart will deliver about 14 Watts at that voltage, at a little under 4 Amps. A 'hot off the charger' 4.2 Volts raises that current past 4 and bumps the total power to 18 Watts. Running it down to 3.3 Volts (a typical cut off?) drops the current to 3.3 Amps for 11 Watts total. The same heater ran 18 to 11 Watts over the battery charge span. Being a convection vape, the user would have compensated by drawing a little less at the start and more at the end and most likely didn't even notice the power fall off.

    The actual voltage at the load is less (typically 3.5 to 2.8 in my tests) due to resistance induced losses (heating) in the system, but the bottom line is if you get say five sessions from a charge (the claimed five times gain over T1), the 14 Watt core in the first session will be on par with the 16 on it's second session. And so on. It will 'beat' the 16 Watt one on it's 3rd, 4th and final sessions. Not that I think anyone will be able to determine by 'cloud size'.

    In the end the heaters are developing more heat than we can put to good use. We take a part, the rest is wasted heating the unit mostly. Putting out more makes it a little easier for us to get all we can use (especially faster) but doesn't change anything that would really help give bigger clouds (like more THC in the load to start with does). It just makes it get hotter faster, we're still looking for the same 'magic temperature' in the same load. Roasting marshmallows over the campfire really isn't that much faster nor does it roast them better by a bonfire, all the larger fire really does is force the camper further back and burns up the firewood faster.

    My opinion is the LL Cera does an excellent job for what it's really designed to do. A big improvement on T1 (which was already a good vape) even. It is not ideal for all users, nor is it really magic no matter how much it might seem so.

    I believe customers will be very satisfied with it, provided their expectations are realistic. That last part I'm a little worried about.......

    OF
     
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  11. JoeKickass

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    Very good points, maybe concerned wasn't the right word, more like "skeptical that it could meet my medication needs" :D ya I know, Joe the hardhead...

    BUT, the flashvape had me really skeptical with it's mflb-style heater, and while it doesn't put me out like the Pax, it does get me 90% there with half the amount!

    OF I know your flashvape experience was pretty similar to mine, and I'm sure you appreciate how you can't combust with the flower cera ;), but could you compare potency/effeciency of the two?

    Would you say that the FV and cera have a similar relationship? Can the cera get you 80-90% the effects of the flashvape with half the material? Or is the flashvape so efficient that a cera-size bowl feels the same in either device?
     
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  12. VaporEyes

    VaporEyes Vaporization Aficionado Accessory Maker

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    All I am concerned with is whether or not it will get me pleasantly vaked and from what I've read from you, it will do just that.
     
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  13. iamn3ko

    iamn3ko Well-Known Member

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    I'm not tripping over the LL core, it'll do great I'm sure, get over the learning curve and get going, everyone will figure out their technique.

    Plus, after everything is settled down with TET, who knows what they might come up with down the road, the Ceras built pretty tough, I know it can do some damage, if this LL core isn't up to 'everyone's standards' I'm sure there'll be something else later.

    It's just the beginning people

    And OF I hear you totally now on the whole, 14watt vs 16 watt bigger cloud deal, seems like it'll just drain my battery a little quicker and get hot a little quicker. No bigger clouds. Maybe you'll see people wanting to go back down to 14.


    Or maybe it'll just get fixed down the road, either or it'll still be efficient, and still better than most Portables on the market, even a lot of desktops.



    EDIT: Question, so is the LL still "stir-free", I remember someone saying it has to be stirred up a little...
     
  14. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Wow, excellent question. At one point my take on FV was it was 'a tiger on a leash' (and a short one at that), I still see it that way I guess. Very fast and powerful. The problem is it's conduction so the extra power ends up where we really don't want it, in the load overheating it, rather than where we just plain don't want it, in the body but not overheating the load. Makes combustion not only possible but imminent.....

    More skill and attention is called for. Given that care I think they both are about as efficient, that is the herb can be stripped to whatever level of AVB you want? Cera is easier to do that at a more modest but routine way and takes longer to do it. TV can literally go from pocket through warm up and serious hit to pocket in the 15 second kind of time frame with a bit of skill.

    I'm not comfortable putting numbers on it, but think I understand and agree with the idea. In your example FV makes up for the smaller load or at least doesn't suffer much from it until you get to the limit of it's abilities. It's only the last 20% or so where it comes up short. I think it's fair to say the same sort of thing about Cera vs FV. It will fall short on volume in the end, but it can be very useful up to that point (most uses?) and it's worth remembering reloading it hot is not a problem. Pull the cap off with a rag or something (it's gonna be hot without that cover.....), dump the load, pour in more, replace the cap and vape on. No need to power down even.

    Oh, yeah! Big time. It is a 'super mellow' way to take your medicine. Very relaxed, a very common companion in the garden for me for that reason. I'm very sure you'll also find it a 'quiet friend' in many enjoyable sessions.

    Excellent point. It is a 'living thing' very much subject to change. TV has a history of not only doing that (evolving their own product line) but of being very supportive of individual modifications to fit differing needs (anyone know another vape company that does this?). So not only can we look forward to them offering us what we really decide we want but we can create it ourselves from their parts with their help. Pretty cool, IMO.

    Sorry to disappoint you on the last point, you're memory is a bit out or someone lied to you. While you can stir it (it's kinda fun at first) it doesn't really change the excellent way it works in the end. There is a somewhat uneven distribuition in the bowl (you can see it if you pick the load apart after a few hits, the center part lower down is the first to reach vaping temperature. However, long before it gets 'over done' the rest of the load is hot (good insulation and better hot air flow than T1) and vaping away. No stirring needed at all. You can if you want, of course, it's much easier than T1 even.

    Keif and some bubble hashes are the exception, they tend to lump up in a gooey mass that resists stirring (but also don't need it).

    OF
     
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  15. nopartofme

    nopartofme Well-Known Member

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    Looking forward to this very much. A nice alternative to my launch box routine, where I tend to be very active in shaking the load and such. Maybe a bit overactive, but when you have the box on a whip it's hard to resist. Sounds like with Cera I'll be able to put my mind a little more at ease and let the engineering do its work.
     
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  16. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Thank you for the "critical" observation I have been waiting for. Combined with the bowl size I can see the difference between Cera and T1 now, and its improvement. I do read, and appreciate, your material :)
     
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  17. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    You're very welcome, glad it helps the understanding.

    Thank you very much for the feedback, it's exactly that hope that keeps me posting. Feels great to know I'm connecting.

    Good luck on waiting yours out.

    OF
     
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  18. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Ahhh . . . haven't made any commitments yet. I'm sitting on the sidelines, for now, trying to understand things in my mind, looking towards my future needs and expectations.
     
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  19. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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    I dont think the LL will fit into my kinda medicating habits, but as for the EO Cera iam all in, i do believe the EO cera will be capable of medicating me quickly and efficiently!!!!!!!!
    Cant wait for all the pre orders to be done so i can order my eo cera!!!!

    Just as i remember with the dart, it had amazing flavor, but now the cera EO looks to provide effortless clouds on demand, as long as the ceramic is well primed!!!!!!
    Thank you for this quick reply!!!
     
  20. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    My package has just been released to Canada Post. It is at the depot an hour or so away. :spliff:

    If I am lucky enough to get it tomorrow, I will be busy testing all three cores. :smug:
     
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  21. Medical Mark

    Medical Mark Well-Known Member

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    Well that's awesome and fast so how many days total cause I'm in edmonton, Alberta area and mine should be sent out tomorrow I was told, I was just wondering what kind of time frame you had from leaving USA to Canada ?
    I so jealous tweek I hope you enjoy your new toy lol , I'm hoping that Friday or Monday will be my pick up day, fingers crossed
    Enjoy
     
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  22. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    It was shipped last Thursday, so including travel time over the weekend it would be 4 days total should it arrive tomorrow. Super fast! Only spent a short time in customs too.
     
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  23. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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    Congrats, cant wait to hear more and see some cera porn action lol lol lol

    Wow thats incredibly fast shipping!
    Two thumbs up for TET!!:tup::tup:



    :popcorn:
     
  24. Darb

    Darb Well-Known Member

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    Where was the customs stop?
    Mine is still in customs in Vancouver.......
     
  25. TheRobbo

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    The stopped updating my tracker at 2am Friday morning last I heard it had passed through the ISC sorting facility, I'm pretty sure that just means they put it on a plane and forgot to scan it. At first I thought it meant there was no work over the weekend but I guess that got proved wrong.
     

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