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The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by THC SCIENTIFIC, Jan 13, 2012.

  1. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    First off, welcome to the Forum. Sorry to meet you with a problem brewing, but that's the way it goes often.

    Off hand it sounds like a lame 18350. I assume the light works normally in 7.4 Volt mode without the cart on? If you haven't, you should try that test.

    Secondly, I assume you've sorted out the adjustable bottom bit. While the instructions say 'dial it up until the top of the battery is exposed', I usually adjust to fit. Back it down, screw it all together then dial the adjustment up until all the clearance is gone (it gets snug) then back it off about 1.5 turns. You might try that as well.

    My money's on a defective battery here.

    FWIW, I firmly believe starting with 5 Ohm carts is a mistake. You should always start with 2.4 Ohm carts at 3.7 Volts and stick with them until you have them mastered. Not just 'can use them', mastered. They can do excellent work and are fairly tolerant of new user type mistakes, but the higher power ones can too easily get away from you and you end up with leaks, burnt oil, waste and a bad attitude. Yes, I get it they send two five Ohm carts, but Persei is a power user tool, notice the dual cart head? That's a clue.

    Anyway, that's the advice. Check with no load, be sure the adjustment is right, use 2.4 Ohm carts to start and suspect one of the small batteries in your kit (it happens fairly often actually).

    I'm serious about the 2.4 Ohm cart part. There are dozens of posts on t his thread alone from guys who found success that way and are now firm believers of 'learn to walk before you try to run'.

    OF
     
  2. ataxian

    ataxian California

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    I use AW's. In fact I'm putting together a set of AW 1860's together for one of my SOLO"s.
    My PERSEI's seem to perform better with the AW's. I figured that they would work better in most devices.
    My HERCULES arrived today.
    What a bummer I have three 2.4 cartridges fill with HONEY OIL.
    It's not really a bummer however WAX in a HERCULES is pretty GREAT!
    Looks like Monday its off for a Medical Supply of WAX!
    [​IMG]
     
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  3. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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  4. Es-K

    Es-K New Member

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    Thanks for the replys!,


    OF , man it's so strange for them to have sent it this way, hopefully I can reclaim the oil from the 5ohm cart.

    I fiddled with the batteries and how far I screw in the thing and got the 7.4 v setup running but now it get really hot really fast and I'm getting no vapor..hope i Havnt ruined the cart. I got perfect airflow, good amount of oil, cart gets not, but no vapor now, I'm so confused!

    I have mflb, vapor bros whip, and gpen with essential oil tank, .. This one seems the coolest to me o trust I'm not knocking it I just wish it was more usesble out the box. Can't always get that though, I understand .. Guess I gotta order new. Batteries and carts
     
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  5. Bob Loblaw

    Bob Loblaw Astralnaut

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    love the iris. had a single heater blowout on a 2.4 ohm (gets hot, won't vape) a first for me, and was able to diagnose thru the iris top. wish it went down to 3.0v and didn't go around the circle when dropping or raising voltage (go to 7.4 after pressing down from 3.5, or vice versa) so i always check the voltage before i hit. not sure why W is default number when pressed either. however the ability to dial in power and the new button are huge pluses. as well as the ability to throw any cart on and be able to power it.
     
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  6. ataxian

    ataxian California

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    Hi Es-K:
    Don't worry I had a similar experience.
    I love my PERSEI's now!
    I like the 2.4V carts with the AW IMR 1860 7.4V battery.
    The HERCULES is another very powerful device.
    There are so many cool attachments to be had however I am getting a lot of bang for my buck with the 2.4V cartridge setup.
    I have 3 Carts with Honey Oil and two others with Brittle Wax.
    I hated this thing at first however "OF" was like a JET_EYE and set me straight!
    Listen to this guy he know what he's talking about!

    Kind regards
     
  7. Puffers

    Puffers Micro-Climate Mastermind

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    Sounds like the oil is stuck in the middle of the of the cart I was thinking this earlier when you talked about priming on 3.7v and said you got no vapor and a metallic taste. On 3.7v I normally get good taste anid really light vapor. Try heating the cart in the from the bottom up with very light heat. If you go over board you will toast the seals and can cause leaks. Then prime again on 3.7.
     
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  8. jpdnkstr

    jpdnkstr Well-Known Member

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    Loving the Iris! Able to use all carts, and "dial in" just right! Oops, Bob already knows what I'm talking about.
     
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  9. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    First off you're welcome. Not to worry about being confused around here, you're in great company there.....

    I agree with you in part about the five Ohm carts, but to understand the logic you have to consider history. 3.7 Volt Omicrons were the rule for a year or so. For most of that there was only one cart (2.4 Ohms) and so they didn't have any writing on them (no need). Guys wanted 'bigger clouds' (go figure...) so 1.5s happened (still at 3.7 Volts) to respond to that. That led to Persei for even more power. When it came out as a product, it was cloud chasers that were the customers. Hence the dual top (ever try to get two Omicron carts running the same? Not for the timid) and the higher voltage (more power you know). You'll note all sorts of comical warnings about 'vape of mass destruction'? That's why. Guys were getting in over their heads from the second day on. Best we can hope for is to pass the word about 2.4s.

    Now to your current problem. If we can get it going and you can stick to really really conservative use you might get it to work without draining it (which means abandoning .2 grams or so 'stuck inside'. Your problem is no doubt a loading error has created an air bubble under your load. New guys seem to do this a lot, they blow the preheat the center part of the cart part so when the (just barely melted) concentrate slides down out of the tool and hits the cold wall below it 'clots' right there, that which follows sticks to it and you have an airlock situation that can ruin the cart. DO NOT HEAT THE ELEMENT DRY, especially at full power. A few seconds can lead to leaks.

    What we need to do is remelt the load, but it's touchy to do since the seals are so close to the load. The part we need to protect (where the seals are) is the bottom half inch or so of the cart (the threads and the first 'tube diameter' up from there. Hold the cart by this part (the lowest 1/4) in your left hand thumb and finger tips and rotate it as we try to heat the rest of it hot enough. Don't under any conditions let the part under your fingers get uncomfortably hot. If it gets close, stop, let it cool and go again. OK, while rolling it heat the center of the cart (where the air bubble is) until you just start to feel the heat in your fingers. Do it quickly, heat transfers slowly through SS so it will give you 15 or more seconds typically. Then keep the fire on but move up the cart to the top, heating as you go. Hopefully you'll melt the load and it'll drop. If you do it 'just right' you'll feel the hot oil drop down through your fingers as a quick rise in temperature.

    Once you get it going (how's that for positive thinking?) remember to take it easy. Short bursts of power (a few seconds) and (very importantly) draw some extra cool air though it after you power off to rapidly cool the heaters (there are two) off. One heater does't matter too much, but the other can lead to leaks if you don't cool it down well.

    Good luck, no matter what happens here I'd suggest a few 2.4s for your next attempts. Like other vapes, once you sort it out you'll find it's popular for good reason.

    Good luck.

    OF
     
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  10. ataxian

    ataxian California

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    Correction: 3.7 battery with 2.4V cart not 7.4.
     
  11. ataxian

    ataxian California

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    Please summarize this data?
     
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  12. BLAZING OG

    BLAZING OG Vaping is a way of life!

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    Well I am no battery expert' but the ck on the graph is the CALLIES KUSTOMS BATTERIES vs AW' calls kustoms I believe are way better except aw does well in 10amp test, flashlight guys are really serious about ere batteries , so I thought why not upgrade and make my Persei even better.

    Callie kustoms are the best Panasonic cells , hybrid technology ,safer chemistry, and perform exceptionally well.
    3400 mah and soon by the end of 2013 the 4000 mah batteries are coming out.
     
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  13. Es-K

    Es-K New Member

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    once again thanks for all the great replies!! still having a bit of trouble.. a few things im confused on


    ok.. so for one, how can i tell if my cart is dead or not?

    - i have good airflow (im not sucking too hard either)
    - the cart gets warm on the 3.7v battery, and on the 7.4v setup i see a heating element light up (when i put 7.4v in i NEVER hold button down for more than a good second.. i hope i havnt fucked it up)
    - i heated the cart up slowly (with a torch), even to the point of being able to smell my concentrate a little (but not too hot to the touch) for what seemed like a long time..

    so now, when i use 3.4v battery i can get a tiny tiny bit of concentrate flavor, but absolutely no vapor. (priming).. do u mean even with a 5 ohm cart and a 3.4v battery i SHOULD be able to produce some vapor?

    next concern - maybe i didnt put enough concentrate in.. i "eyeballed" it but im assuming i put in just under .5 (i filled with what looked like a quarter of a 2g ball of Co2 headband x blue dream).. i just dont want to put more in if my cart is dead, as im sure u guys understand.

    i did end up trading my batteries cause the two smaller trust fire ones were super finnicky and i had to mess with them to get them to work - charging new batteries..

    im just having trouble telling if my cart is primed or not and i really dont wanna ruin it..

    should i keep heating it up? i hear co2 extract u have to get hotter to slide down.. maybe im not going long enough? i never really felt anything "fall to the bottom"

    i wish i knew what the inside of the cart looked like.. can i stick a needle down the side and see how far the concentrate made it down the tube?

    peace everyone!!

    thanks again
     
  14. DubCRider

    DubCRider Well-Known Member

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    Co2 you can handle? Pics please!

    Co2 requires less heat to liquify since it is already in a jelly-like form. It sounds like you didn't load enough. I would suggest filling a full gram and you should have no problems getting it primed. www.vaporpedia.com/wiki/Persei has lots of info too.
     
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  15. Es-K

    Es-K New Member

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    this is what it is.....

    https://goddessdelivers.com/drupal/content/full-melt-gold-hash-blue-headband

    ill take a pic too, but it looks basically like that, a little more gold..

    i just realized though, it says full melt, which on the wiki they say is a NO GO!!! but they also say only use hash that will fully melt, so whats wrong with full melt?

    im gonna go ahead an assume that this is my problem, but maybe not... its a crumbly golden soft hash that smells almost like cookies (lightly) and definitely melts completely with no residue, love the taste and potency, but is this somehow the wrong thing??? i have a vac purged bho thats decent, maybe i should be using that SMH

    the wiki also says Co2 requires MORE heat, in the priming section
     
  16. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Yes, you should get modest vapor production at 3.7 Volts, DO NOT RUN IT AT 7.4 IF THERE IS NO CONCENTRATE IN THE WICK TO MAKE VAPOR. Even for "a second". It won't confirm anything at this point and will wreck it if over done.

    Secondly "heated the cart up slowly" is not what I described. I would not expect that to make it better. In fact it could well make it worse by spreading the load even thinner around the tube. The idea is to get the center section hot enough then slide the load as a single mass down past it. Note the loading instructions, they're based on this idea.

    Being a little over or under half a gram shouldn't matter all that much, you'll need at least .3 though since about .2 gets soaked into the wicks and elsewhere before any makes it to the heater for vaping. I've successfully loaded thirds of a gram before.

    At this point things may well be worse off, but I think I'd still give the 'preheat the center' plan a go. Then again, I've done it successfully before so I have confidence in the technique and my ability to pull it off. The other option is to try to recover the oil, but you always loose some and usually it comes out 'cooked' and off taste.

    The key to the castle is, I think, two pointed. First, go with low power carts, 2.4 Ohms at 3.7. Plenty powerful for most guys and the best way to learn the system. Secondly, pay strict attention to the instructions in loading. The preheat is the key, most guys with troubles at first are having this problem.

    Good catch. Full melt might be the issue for sure. It could have the same effect. You can easily test this by doing 'the foil test' on a bit of it. Put a small bit on some aluminum foil and heat it with you lighter. You want it to quickly melt, flow freely, and completely evaporate off. No deposits left behind.

    The rub is two fold, it could melt so poorly as to prevent feeding (perhaps the problem?) but even if it does melt and feed the contamination in it (deposits) will quickly jam up the wicks and cut feeding off or encrust the heater so the vapor can't get out.

    "Supermelts or better" is the call. And yes, I too think CO2 extracts (at least the ones I buy and use) are softer than many Butane extractions, definitely melt and feed well, vape cleanly and are otherwise lovely. They, as a class, are a favorite with me.

    Good luck.

    OF
     
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  17. Es-K

    Es-K New Member

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    gonna try again right now OF, thanks again man...


    so im gonna hold the bottom 1/4, and heat the center while rotating (not letting my fingers get too hot)

    the main thing im still confused about is how do i tell if the wick is soaked
     
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  18. Es-K

    Es-K New Member

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    i might try properlly filling my other cart with the dif wax... hmmm
     
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  19. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Again, you're very welcome, good luck. The proof you need is if you can prime it (at low voltage). In a normal fill, if you get the register (hot oil drop felt thought your fingers) you're pretty much guaranteed it will feed if the oil is good.

    I think that's a good idea, although better with the lower power carts you don't have.....

    I'd run a 'foil test' on it first?

    I know this is confusing and frustrating. You buy such gear to use and enjoy, not fuss over and try to control your blood pressure over (should be 'with', right?). Please have some faith here, it is a good system once you sort it out.....we're not all lying.....or shills for D9.

    This thread is as long as it is for good reason. The Omicron thread is even longer. Guys with a lot less going for them than you and I have sorted this all out, you can too. Once you do, I bet this becomes a more or less constant companion.

    Good luck.

    OF
     
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  20. DubCRider

    DubCRider Well-Known Member

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    That is most certainly NOT Co2. Without looking at it first hand I can safely say that is a butane extract. The fact that they blatantly lie in the discription is laughable. It's not even good quality for butane!

    Where are you located?
     
  21. Es-K

    Es-K New Member

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    im not surprised at all, to be honest - gets the job done, but after looking up co2 extract i see where you're coming from lmao

    sad state of affairs...

    check this though, u wont believe this..

    i successfully loaded my other cart, felt it hit the bottom, primed cart with 3.7, got taste and vapor... charged my new batterys and put em in.. NOTHING.. cant get the fuckin light to even turn on!! aghhhhhh


    and dub c im in vermont
     
  22. lockie

    lockie Well-Known Member

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    Its because you have it locked, it happens when you take the batteries out and back in.
    Press the power button 5 times and it should light up like 3x and it'll be unlocked. Happy vaping!

    BTW if you haven't figured out already, you CANNOT use "Full Melt" in the cartridges since that is hash and the vape works with hash oils and waxes which would be called "Super Melt", or under the concentrates section.
     
  23. Es-K

    Es-K New Member

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    thanks homie, and yea i did figure that out about the full melt vs super melt lol,

    im new to the concentrate world as well, so yeaa

    but i tried unlock thing and i dont think it applies to this one? says nothing about it in the manual and only mentioned on the website for the iris one i think.. unless im missing something
     
  24. lockie

    lockie Well-Known Member

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    Oh haha that works for the Omicron v3.7 and HVD setup. People talk about everything on this thread so I get confused since there is 3.7 and 7.4 for Persei as well. Good luck to ya and hope you get it sorted out.

    I was also wondering if anyone could lead me in the right direction of which container I could purchase that would cover the smell of the wax and oils coming from the cartridges.
     
  25. kindbeats

    kindbeats Nerbs, power me!

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    Thanks for this. Considering the fact that the warning on delta9vapes.com says "Please be careful as this unit will burn out cartridges if you don't know what you're doing", one would think it would come would instructions. :shrug:

    Edit: This post is referring to the Iris.
     
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