Thanks for the input on the Herbie. I was definitely going to buy it, but it was like $700+ when it came out so I went with the Plenty. Lately the price has come down considerably on the Herbie. Yeah the fire thing is scary especially in an illegal state like mine. I am sure the EVO is excellent, but I am also sure I will knock it over and break it as it sits up way to high. I guess I really just have VAS anyway and will keep what I have.