Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by nopartofme, Apr 7, 2013.
YES!! Perhaps a hair dryer to help you get the bottom padding off somewhat cleanly.
Ok thanks for the reply, you are right I`m just pissed for a while (A LONG WHILE) now that they refuse to make a overseas version. REALLY wish there was some opposition to them for someone to design a decent vap with halogen bulb. Nothing out there (even with a halogen) seems to match the Herbie or am I wrong?
Yes sorry I jumped the gun on my judgment on the bag material after just a couple bags. You're right - I take it all back and can report back after some more experience. The volcano valve is clearly superior. Altho I am impressed with the latest batch of herbalizer bags because the "core" of the green valve extends further than the earlier model bags that my unit shipped with. this seems to protect the plastic bag at that critical part where my original set of bags always got burn holes basically. Perhaps the volcano bags last way longer - we shall see - thanks for the sanity check.
What Herbalizer stated some time ago was that it is the mis-matched power frequency that really kills Herbie in other power grids. I see Australia is 230 v and 50 hz (vs 60 hz in US). Changing the voltage is the easy part. Changing the frequency is the tough and expensive part.
It's a bummer as Herbie is a great vape.
If that's the case, perhaps that UPS he was using wasn't 110V 60Hz pure sine wave etc etc? I bet you could get a battery pack that had the right specs that wouldn't harm Herbie. Besides overseas, it could be good for camping or boat use too.
I wonder if the microprocessor it uses only works on 110/60?
How you go about doing that will depend on which valve system (Solid Valve or Easy Valve) you choose for the Volcano. I have both, but I preferred the Solid Valve because the only “consumable parts” that I had to order for maintenance were the rolls of plastic to make bags out of. If you want to use the dosing capsules (for convenience or to reduce the bowl size) you will want to go with the Easy Valve.
My method of using the Solid Valve bag with the Herbalizer was super simple and requires no extra equipment: remove the mouthpiece and hold the bag on top of the Herbalizer bowl. It won’t lock onto the Herbalizer bowl like it does the Solid Valve bowl so it is necessary to hold the bag there while filling. I had to do that with Herbalizer bags anyway so I didn’t consider it a dealbreaker. Other people around here have more sophisticated methods; I’m sure you’ll find a way that suits you.
Nah, they’re both highly effective. They’re different under the hood but the end result is quite similar, IMO.
The biggest downside of the Volcano to me is the loudness. In a party situation it’s NBD (not loud enough to drown out conversations or anything), but I generally paused any TV/movies while filling bags because it was simpler than jacking with the volume.
I can’t comment on any use with water pieces, but on both the Volcano and the Herbalizer I ran 2-3 bags per bowl, with the first bag being the densest.
I'm appreciating the sturdy design and high power - watching the digital temperature gauge slowly count down as it sits there is quite charming.
Thank you that sounds like an excellent method! And I appreciate your second comment because that's good to know to gain perspective. I am guessing that the list of vapes in your signature is sorted perhaps by preference or simply chronologically. Do you really currently own all of those amazing high quality vaporizers? Wow you have such good taste!
I'm with you. I use Herbie mouthpieces with "vapebags" aftermarket replacement bags and both mouthpieces and bags do fall apart. My tricks to extend life are:
- water filter/cool vapor (heat is a big part of the problem)
- arrange rig so bag hangs down instead of pointing up
- when plastic around mouthpiece begins to leak I disassemble, cut around 1/2inch off the end of the bag, and reassemble. Basically consuming the bag material a half inch at a time. You can do this many times.
Clearly I'm a cheap bastard but with this method I can go months on a bag with daily use (I also rotate use between two bags).
I noticed that humidity has an effect too. The drier the air, the crunchier sounding the bag is and more brittle. Moister air softens it and makes it more quiet. I'm talking about herbalizer plastic material.
I took that effect to be heat rather than moisture, but since my rig is rehydrating the vapor this could totally be an additional factor for the (relative) longevity of my bags. My bags just kind of get gross and fall apart - they never get brittle like they did when I ran them unfiltered/uncooled.
The Volcano is definitely built to last. Mine was my first vaporizer and it’s still going strong.
The order of the list in my signature was probably stream of consciousness. And yeah, I do own technically all those vapes (except the Herbalizer bc it caught fire), though several of them are scattered between various friends’ houses. A bunch of my friends primarily smoke but also enjoy vaporizing if there’s equipment around; I have asthma and strongly prefer vaporizers. Anything I’m not using much at home anymore gets left at someone’s house which saves me the trouble of dragging around a vaporizer with me.
I wish I could claim great taste or that I’m some sort of a vape psychic, but the truth is that I’ve been semi-lucky and have truly benefited from others’ experiences here.
The Volcano was my first vape years ago and it was a very simple choice because it was the only vaporizer I knew existed. Having it led me to find FC, where I learned about the Cloud and thought it sounded really neat (and was excited to get some use out of my glass again) so I pre-ordered it. Funnily enough, a couple years later I met a cool dude who also had a Cloud and we bonded over that and ended up married. The Herbalizer sounded like a super-modern take on the Volcano, so I decided to try it when it was released.
It’s a little bizarre to me that those three vaporizers have had such longevity in the market, but I’ve used the heck out of all of them because they’re awesome so in that sense I’m not shocked that a bunch of other people out there still enjoy them too. The most intriguing desktop vape to me right now is the Glass Symphony, so that’s what I ordered to replace the Herbalizer. It should arrive in the next few days and I can’t wait!
I'm just a hobbyist but AFAIK microprocessors typically work on DC, not AC. Here's the quote from the member who's unit died in Costa Rica, about his UPS:
I still haven't cracked one open to be sure but my guess is that Herbie's halogen bulb runs on 120vac / 60hz while there's probably an AC-DC converter to run the LCD, CPU, and other typically-DC components. Halogen bulb is likely to draw a ton of current when turning on from cold, which will probably screw up most UPS' outputs enough to fry the AC-DC converter. Just spitballing here, though.
Please share your initial experiences with us! Particularly in the context of a Herbie/Volcano user.
Alrighty friends, as promised!
Innards, revealed: https://imgur.com/a/EZ1lBR4
Water rig, documented: video (password is just two lowercase letters: fc)
Realtime power consumption, displayed: video (same pass)
Right off the bat I could see some aesthetic differences...
- H logo inlay on top is updated but not better IMO (mine came a few degrees off center)
- Packing foam is white instead of black
- Bowl assembly feels slightly lighter, indeed new one weighs half a gram less than old
- Operating noise is quite different than before, there's a warble to the fan noise I don't recall
- It's a little quieter in general than the unit that died
- I used my reptile heating pad to soften adhesive on bottom pads, its sticky but not strong
- Only four screws, easy to open
- After four screws are out, entire vape comes apart easily, no further adhesive
- Counted three cooling fans and one blower fan for a total of 4 fans; only one seemed to have a filter
- One two-pin connector is present but with nothing plugged into it - debug?
- New serial number is approx 100,000 higher than old serial number... if they're sequential then that's a nice chunk of change that Herbalizer has taken home (if they made $100 per device that's over $10m in profit; if they sold them for an average of $400 each that's $40m in gross sales)
As for fire risk, I have a script running every 60 seconds that probes the current consumption of the device and kills power if it exceeds 320 watts. I also get a text message when that happens. A cursory inspection did not reveal a thermal fuse but that doesn't mean its not in there somewhere - still haven't heard back on that question.
I'm still running it dry/empty to get rid of the damn plastic smell but sure excited to have that first bag with every single part of the vapor and airpath brand new!!
Edit: Bowl magnet on new Herbie feels significantly less strong than original. I consider this an upgrade.
Edit2: Bonus photo of my day-to-day setup with, yes, string and rubber bands to help make spills and falls less catastrophic. I use a 14mm display stand with a 14-18 LoPro on it to hold the water rig comfortably while I'm switching bowls: https://imgur.com/a/yVVhLle
I'm curious if you found the Jimi Hendrix easter egg while breaking the unit down?
For obvious reasons, I was really rushing the whole thing. Im sure I'll be back in there sooner or later and I'll give it a better once-over.
Has anyone checked the herbalizer website lately?
Seems to not exist anymore.
Can someone with more snooping power find out what's going on?
wow, no DNS or social media presence. Usually a bad indicator for an e-commerce company. Just got my first herbie about 12 days ago from the SoCal factory, so I hope they emerge from this disruption in their state of being.
another plausible explanation for pulling their public face is a complete makeover is imminent, but that is wishful.
Time to start hoarding Herbalizers?
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