Discontinued The Grasshopper

slcbdco

Brewer, Lobbyist, Vaporist
Heat Treated Hoppers?

Ha!


You guys might find this strange but I seriously considered throwing my unit in the trash rather than returning it for repair. I think it will die again and then I would need to reinvest again. Nah I did it this time but this will be it. Its like being behind in a casino and losing more money to try to get back to even imo. Its a bad deal. Next time I will trash it and cut my losses.

I had the exact same experience with my firefly 2 last week. It had some malfunction, it's been sitting on its cradle since. I probably should just throw it away but I'll send it in for warranty when I get a chance because I remembered that 1 firefly cost as much as almost two grasshoppers!



Happy Page Tres Seis! and April Fools day!
 

biohacker

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You guys might find this strange but I seriously considered throwing my unit in the trash rather than returning it for repair. I think it will die again and then I would need to reinvest again. Nah I did it this time but this will be it. Its like being behind in a casino and losing more money to try to get back to even imo. Its a bad deal. Next time I will trash it and cut my losses.

The main reason I have hung in this far is when it works the unit certainly is a beast. I think it is equally fantastic and equally craptastic. The design is completely fucking stupid imo. It is meant to be a stealth vape but gets way to hot to use without adding at least the silicone tip. It also really stinks and the vape is dense and highly visible. I loved it through glass but why use a battery operated pen at home? This thing is way to unreliable to take on a trip or out without backup.

Even though I reported your PM, and you insulted me and my Canadian nationality (we do have a pot leaf on our flag!) and told me to go self fornicate, I empathize with your frustrations and agree with you completely.
 
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Hoey420

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The grasshopper is awesome for vaping chili :evil::evil::evil:


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Even though I reported your PM, and you insulted me and my Canadian nationality (we do have a pot leaf on our flag!) and told me to go self fornicate, I empathize with your frustrations and agree with you completely.
And I would be happy to tell you again. Please dont communicate with me. I want nothing to do with you.
 
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Vapor_Eyes

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I'm in the middle of reading through all of this pointless drama. I should finish reading but I feel I have to post this.

The Grasshopper blows every battery-powered portable out of the water. Period. Nothing comes close when it comes to combination of speed, potency, and ease of use; that doesn't even take into account the small size or stealth factor.

That is why we "put up with it". Yes, we put up with amazing performance and occasionally have to send it in for service. Logic dictates that if everyone was having the same issues the edge cases were having, Hopper Labs would have been bankrupt a long time ago.

I don't fault anyone for their individual experiences and decisions. I will be the first to say the Grasshopper isn't for everybody. I do take issue when people question other people's experiences, positive or negative.

I'm also sick of hearing shill talk, joking or not. My opinion matters for shit, I just thought I'd throw that out there.

I've been lucky to have about a 4-5 month gap between RMAs. If it was more frequent I would probably be more negative in my posting, and rightfully so.

Unfortunately, I sincerely do believe the Grasshopper is the best battery powered vaporizer available today for the discerning connoisseur who demands speed, stealth, and strength. As a medical device I find it literally irreplaceable.

That being said, at this point it is my only battery powered vaporizer. The world of butane is much more exciting, reliable, and satisfying. If torches were more stealthy, I wouldn't even need a Grasshopper.

:2c: :peace:
 

Carlos8400

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So guys, some intersting news.

Yesterday I went to "Verdampftnochmal" with my slipping frontend. Thread of the frontend were down - not by forced use! - after 2,5 months of daily moderate use. Nobody had heard about here before when I posted this issue a few days ago.

3 months in use, charger down after using it twice, thread of frontend down after 2,5 months.
And the best, with the new frontend I get no vapour anymore beneath 4-4,5! WTF??

Does anybody knows this issue??


The guys form "Verdampftnochmal" are great. They changed the frontend ("We know the problem!") and I could screw it on the body again.
It was an interesting talk with the guys. Backpackers of the first round with thousands of bucks, official GHL retailer in Germany and are getting no batteries and replacement parts since months! GHL's last announcement of new bats was for the beginning of march. Nothing happened up to now.

I dont want to go into details of the talk but all they've told sounds outrageous!

All in all they talked to me it's by far the most unreliable vape in their large selection and CS of GHL the worst by far too.
This might answer the open question of how far representive issues are we are speaking about here on FC.

They dont know whether they'll offer Hoppers in the future - it's just to much troubles in all respects.

Would be a pitty cause they can repair a lot of defects and shipping costs overseas arent reasonable anymore.

I love my (my gf's ;-)) hopper so much if it works but damm' I'm no masochist. And we don't have to talk about behaviour and politics of communication of GHL.

I had the exact same conversation with the shop that i bought my GH from.
I don't want to go into details either, but it sounded really bad and really didn't inspire confidence in HL.
In all honesty, with the sound of things i wouldn't even bet on them staying in business long enough to honour their lifetime warranty!

Interestingly they appear to be out of stock in most EU shops... Glad i sent mine back and got out of that mess!
 
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luke00978

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I had the exact same conversation with the shop that i bought my GH from.
I don't wan't to go into details either, but it sounded really bad and really didn't inspire confidence in HL.
In all honesty, with the sound of things i wouldn't even bet on them staying in business long enough to honour their lifetime warranty!

Interestingly they appear to be out of stock in most EU shops... Glad i sent mine back and got out of that mess!

vapefiend went to in stock on hoppers and batteries yesterday, to be honest we all know there’s no chance of the lifetime warranty lasting our life time, i mean trevor and co are hardly going to be the next rotchilds , i think id be happy if i got 2-3 years of use and support out of mine.
 

biohacker

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I don't fault anyone for their individual experiences and decisions. I will be the first to say the Grasshopper isn't for everybody. I do take issue when people question other people's experiences, positive or negative.

I'm also sick of hearing shill talk, joking or not. My opinion matters for shit, I just thought I'd throw that out there.

I've been lucky to have about a 4-5 month gap between RMAs. If it was more frequent I would probably be more negative in my posting, and rightfully so.

I wish your post could be framed! You are a true asset to this community, I LOVE your unbiased posts!

I had the exact same conversation with the shop that i bought my GH from.
I don't want to go into details either, but it sounded really bad and really didn't inspire confidence in HL.
In all honesty, with the sound of things i wouldn't even bet on them staying in business long enough to honour their lifetime warranty!

Interesting way of looking at things!
 

ooo

Well-Known Member
I don't fault anyone for their individual experiences and decisions. I will be the first to say the Grasshopper isn't for everybody. I do take issue when people question other people's experiences, positive or negative.

I'm also sick of hearing shill talk, joking or not. My opinion matters for shit, I just thought I'd throw that out there.
:peace:

thank you for saying this because it's been bothering me and it has stopped me from wanting to post here. just because you have a good functioning Hopper and have good things to say doesn't make you a shill. i haven't had any issues with mine and i'm going on 10 months trouble free at the end of this month. i don't know why i have a reliable working unit and others don't.

i'm not looking to start any trouble, but it seems a lot of people want to try and sabotage this company from succeeding. so whatever the opposite of a shill is, is how i feel a lot of people are in this thread. i think somebody mentioned it before that we should have two Hopper threads, one for the dissatisfied customers and one for the people who are happy with their Hoppers.
 

biohacker

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@ooo Those members who have been around here for a while have a pretty good sense of smell. I hope you're not referring to my posts (but realize you probably are), so sometimes context needs to be seen. I am just curious though, what is your usage pattern with the GH? Is it used multiple times a day everyday, or just a few uses a week?

I don't think anyone wants to "sabotage" HL from succeeding, far from.... but surely as @Vapor_Eyes explained so nicely, there can be immense frustration, for me directly correlating to the amount of money and time invested. Everyone has different levels of tolerance, mine is just lower than most, although my tolerance to thc is probably higher than most! I blame it all on grasshopper aquisition testing!!! This is a joke for those that don't get me.

And I fold. Today is an incredible sunny day, and I can't see a better fit for a patio stealth vape. Maybe again one day when it's been proven to me and I have confidence that it will last. I'm still keeping my eyes on you @JCat! :brow:

One of my sold hoppers went to a brand new FC member, maybe he will come and join us as he seems to be pretty happy with it.

Hot off the press fellas!

March at Hopper Labs


It's been exciting and busy at Hopper Labs this past month!

We released the much-anticipated Performance Front-end (PFE). Before we launched our Indiegogo campaign, we knew we wanted to be able to use the Grasshopper with our favorite glass pieces. Originally intended for just that, we created something even better with the PFE.

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Over the course of the last four months, we've been designing, testing and refining the PFE. Starting as a simple adapter for 14mm downstems, we took the idea further by opening the air pathway up and creating a longer vapor path. Not only does this reduce draw resistance but it creates a smoother experience, delivering the vapor over a larger area. A thick stainless steel wall rapidly dissipates heat and allows for long sessions. We are thrilled to add this front-end to the Hopper line. If you are looking to purchase the PFE, act fast as the first production stock is running low.

For those who want to use the power of their PFE-fitted Grasshopper at home with an 18mm downstem, we've released a glass adapter to accommodate you. The small and simple 14mm to 18mm Adapter is an all-glass piece which enlarges the taper of the 14mm Performance Front-end up to 18mm. With this adapter, the PFE can be used with your larger glass.

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Currently, we have a stock of Stainless, Titanium and Dark Grey Grasshoppers available for immediate shipping!

As we wrap up an event-filled March, we excitedly welcome April! Look forward to more developments in the accessories department and our presence at this year's 4/20 Rally in Denver! Hopper Labs will have a vendor booth with Grasshoppers, T-shirts, and Accessories. We'll be giving away a few units and will have some sweet deals. Enjoy the community, food, Hoppers, and a free 2 Chainz concert with the Hopper Labs team! We look forward to seeing you there!
 
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ooo

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@ooo Those members who have been around here for a while have a pretty good sense of smell. I hope you're not referring to my posts (but realize you probably are), so sometimes context needs to be seen. I am just curious though, what is your usage pattern with the GH? Is it used multiple times a day everyday, or just a few uses a week?

I don't think anyone wants to "sabotage" HL from succeeding, far from.... but surely as @Vapor_Eyes explained so nicely, there can be immense frustration, for me directly correlating to the amount of money and time invested. Everyone has different levels of tolerance, mine is just lower than most, although my tolerance to thc is probably higher than most! I blame it all on grasshopper aquisition testing!!! This is a joke for those that don't get me.

i use my Hopper every day and use it multiple times throughout the day. i also give it a light clean between most uses which consists of blu-tack on the backend and brushing out any leftover content in the chamber and mouthpiece. the mouthpiece gets an ISO soak when i feel that the draw isn't where i feel it should be, which is probably around once a month. i usually start out at 3 on the dial and end on 4.5. i've never gone past 5 on it though and have never used it with any water device yet. i wait between each hit for the unit to cool down too so i don't overwork the heater. i don't know if it makes any difference but i also have one of the harder to turn temp dials.

also i'm not calling anyone out by name because it's obvious who they are, but you weren't one of the people i was referring to. i can understand people's frustration with an under-performing or failed unit but there are some who are always in this thread ready to inject their negative comments and put this company down. i have yet to turn on my second Hopper and if it doesn't work when i do decide to turn it on, i'm not gonna come in here and rant and rave how the company and the product sucks. i knew going in when i bought my Hopper what to expect and others should to. people need to give these guys a chance, it's a new company with a new product and it's obviously going to take some time to work out all the kinks.
 

biohacker

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i've never gone past 5 on it though and have never used it with any water device yet. i wait between each hit for the unit to cool down too so i don't overwork the heater. i don't know if it makes any difference but i also have one of the harder to turn temp dials.

Is it possible to go past 5? :brow: Couldn't resist.... but thanks so much for sharing man, it's shit like this that helps. Mostly temp 3-4, no water....and i'm 5 and water only.... it just helps track some patterns as unscientific as it is.

I totally agree with all your points too man, I admit i've been over emotional at times, including the praises, however sometimes a nerve gets struck and you have to set your limits. I really hope more retailers get them and batteries don't go up in price because they don't seem to last very long (150-250 uses) compared to any battery i've ever owned in my life.

For those with the PFE..... would any of you PREFER it not being so wide open? I had to be really mindful of keeping my draw slower, because I find the airflow to be super good with the regular front end, so i'm wondering if a narrower bore would be practical?

And also another thing I never tried testing was not grinding. HL says it can be effective, has anyone just put little budlets in the GH, and if so, what was the outcome? After a sesh would the buds be fully extracted or need breaking down, etc?

And I didn't know about the FAQ!

FREQUENTLY ASKED USER QUESTIONS

Often, I hear a soft ticking noise while I'm either using my Hopper or when it is on the charger. Is this normal?

Yes, the Hopper can be heard making a soft tick as it operates. The sound is due to the high-power heating element switching on-and-off to maintain accurate temperature. The ticking is normal.

Is it advisable to use the Hopper while charging?

You can use the Hopper while charging. It will not affect the performance of the device and will help to extend the battery life. Simultaneously using the Hopper and charging is great if you are also using a water piece. Now that the Performance Front-end is released, you can securely leave your Hopper in your water pipe with the charger connected.

How long do the batteries work (hold a charge) with daily use before it's time to order more?

The Hopper battery will last between 150-250 cycles depending on operating conditions. Batteries degrade on a spectrum over time. You will lose a little capacity each time until the battery becomes unusable. It is mostly up to the user to decide when they need a new battery. We have kept the battery price low from day one to encourage users to keep spares and replace worn cells. Remember that a battery's performance will suffer in colder temperatures. For more info on batteries see our full Hopper Battery post here.

My Front-end screen unscrewed. Is there an at home fix I can perform?

The screen in the Front-end can occasionally come loose if resin builds up. Keeping your device clean is the best way to prevent this from happening. See our Glass Vial for a good cleaning aid. If the screen becomes loose, you may have trouble fully screwing the Front-end onto the body. Our warranty department will be more than happy to fix this for you. If you would rather not send the unit in, you might try these tweezers suggested by other users. We cannot guarantee this will work and we strongly recommend you send in the unit if you do not feel confident fixing the problem. If the screen becomes damaged in your attempts to fix it yourself, it will void your warranty on the Front-end. Hopper Labs suggests you never intentionally remove the screen.

How to take care of the Hopper outside? Are moisture and condensation bad for my Hopper?

The Hopper is designed to accommodate an on-the-go lifestyle and does not require special precautions when outside or traveling. It is, of course, best to keep moisture out of the device and the air holes free of lint and dirt. Excessive moisture exposure could ruin the electronics, but they are resistant to most conditions short of submersion.

What’s the best grind to use for the Hopper? Fine or Coarse?

Due to the pure convection style of vaporization, the grind of your herbs is not as important as it might be with other devices. Users often report an excellent experience without grinding their herbs at all. For the best performance, we recommend a medium grind as this will increase the surface area of the material and keep material from passing through the screens. A useful tip is to not over pack the chamber. The herbs should be placed loosely inside the chamber and not firmly packed.
 
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ooo

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Is it possible to go past 5? :brow: Couldn't resist.... but thanks so much for sharing man, it's shit like this that helps. Mostly temp 3-4, no water....and i'm 5 and water only.... it just helps track some patterns as unscientific as it is.

I totally agree with all your points too man, I admit i've been over emotional at times, including the praises, however sometimes a nerve gets struck and you have to set your limits. I really hope more retailers get them and batteries don't go up in price because they don't seem to last very long (150-250 uses) compared to any battery i've ever owned in my life.

:rofl:

hahaha yeah i should've hire a proofreader before i post. it's not uncommon though for me to sound like an idiot when i talk so don't be surprised if you see it happen again.

and thanks for taking an interest in trying to figure out why some Hoppers are working better than others. i've been wondering this for quite some time too. some of the questions in my mind are: is the assembler of the unit at fault? are some more experienced at putting together the Hoppers? did they change manufacturers of some of the parts at some point? did they change the design or any other operational pieces on some of the devices and not on others? it could be in some cases, that it's just user error and not proper cleaning maintenance of the device. or maybe it is just being used in a way that it was not made to be used, like not letting it cool down and overworking the heater.

what i wonder most is, who at Hopper Labs has the longest running Hopper and who's had what problems with theirs.
 

biohacker

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it's not uncommon though for me to sound like an idiot when i talk so don't be surprised if you see it happen again.

Right back at you bro! :lmao:I pretty much just vomit out my thoughts, it works for some but not for others, but it is what it is.

is the assembler of the unit at fault? are some more experienced at putting together the Hoppers? did they change manufacturers of some of the parts at some point? did they change the design or any other operational pieces on some of the devices and not on others?

This is why I like your posts man, these are all great questions!! Some of which i've never even considered, so thanks for opening up my mind some. :peace:
 
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ashinybox

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One of my sold hoppers went to a brand new FC member, maybe he will come and join us as he seems to be pretty happy with it.

Thanks for the invitation! Been meaning to check out the "orgy" haha


I'm very impressed with the Grasshopper so far. I've been vape surfing the last few months in search of the perfect portable to fit my style of vaping. This one is definitely a keeper :)

Big thanks to @biohacker for hooking me up with this fresh Hopper and @NimbusVapor for a great deal on this fab egg!
 
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