Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by Purple-Days, May 16, 2008.
I agree. Thread should stay open.
If it running much over 12v DC then yes this could be bad. I was using a DC power supply that ran at about 15v it got so hot that the solder melted and you can hear the little balls ratling in it. This is also probably too hot o leave on all the time.
I found that a 12v AC (like the Jamco ones Tom uses) get the PD a lot hotter than a 12v DC for some reason.
Anyway this is the powersupply you need for a PD in the UK. Its the same 12v AC 1A supply that Tom reccomends but with a UK plug on it.
Anyone know if the purple days vape produces bigger hits than the magic flight box? Just was curious, because I have a friend that is thinking about gettin a magic flight box, but I told him to hold off because of purple days and a few other vapes out there.
I've never tried one myself, but from what I gather there isn't much that doesn't hit harder than a MFLB.
No more PD's though, but check out some of the other logs instead.
ps: I too think this thread should stay open for all the users at least. Wouldn't mind seeing Tom's account banned to make sure he never returns here after how he treated his costumers though.
We're not taking votes. And why would we ever move a vape specific thread to the General section? That would make no sense at all.
I wouldn't buy either if big hits are a priority. And since you can't get a PD anymore.....
The MF is a stealth portable. The PD is a fixed temp, stay at home vapor sipper that won't go high temp. I don't see the 'either or' making much sense with these two.
The HI, although a log vape, is the way to go for higher temps and big hits.
if he needs portable have him get a LB...but if he's gonna use it at home seems like HI is the hot ticket now.
What do I do in terms of replacement power supplies now?!
just get an adaptor with an output of direct current, 12 volt and at least 1000mA
Yeah, power supply replacement is easiest bit.
So for those of you who don't buy the charring on the inside of the PD unit, here is a pic of my oldest PD which just quit functioning. Hoping it was just a power supply issue, I pried her apart and was welcomed by burnt wooden chips falling out when turned over. Approximately fifteen charred wooden chips came out when inverted, and here is a picture of the charred wooden remains inside.
I'm no expert, but my unit was within the three year window. I also own two other units that still function, but have little hope that they will remain viable after seeing this mess. In fact, I'm not sure I should even use them anymore as this looks to be a potential fire hazard, and can't be great for your health. There is obviously burnt wood taking place in the guts of these PD's......my two cents, Tom was right to run when he did. Frankly, I couldn't stand dealing with him, and it looks like his product was about to go through multiple returns, problems, etc. Dealing with a bunch of warranty customers never really makes you much money.
Frankly, you could tell he wasn't cut out to be in business when the initial demand got high, and he kicked it down the road to Vapenow. Then no waiting list, etc. He was an amateur that convinced us all he was building indestructible vapes......which seem to be falling apart now. Honestly, he ran because he was about to experience a customer service issue with so many returns and issues.....and couldn't deal with it.
Here are pics of the internals from my unit. Sorry I cant do better, just an iphone pic down the bore.....but you can see how burnt all the wood is down at the bottom under the heating element. Looks like a pretty bad fire hazard to me.....glad I know now what was happening with it.....and I'm glad it fizzled out before i burned down my house with his crappy vape.
First off, I'm sorry you're not happy with your vape. You buy them to enjoy, not stress over.
Secondly, I'm sorry but I can't buy into 'charred wood' and 'fire hazard' concerns, I just don't see that. Nor is it really any different than has been happening to log vapes from the get go. As I recall, Tom got into making stronger units out of harder woods after discovering his personal unit (from another maker) had just this sort of failure in a much shorter time. It's highly wood dependent it seems. Solid pieces of well cured wood (rare as they are) are less prone, but other log vapes (all of which use the same basic heater) are subject to this as well, aren't they?
No way around it, there are thousands of happy customers out there who's houses have not burned down, many thousand more if you add in all the other similar log vapes in service.
Aside from that there's obviously a personal issue going on here that clouds the whole deal IMO. Frankly, I don't think it's appropriate to attack anyone like that if they're not proven guilty or here to defend themselves. This, I'm afraid, causes me to seriously discount your opinion. I'm not about to stop using and enjoying mine.
I agree with OF. If the PD wasn't such a great vaporizer it wouldn't have been as popular as it was, and it was in fact fine tuned and improved as its development progressed. My experience with Tom was that he was very responsive about warranty issues and in a friendly way. For example years ago a friend ordered and eventually received a unit. Within weeks there was a severe splitting of the wood on top. Had no effect on performance, but it was a cosmetic eyesore. Tom replaced the unit sight unseen and the original was an extra, gratis, who my friend gave away to another friend. So my experience with the PD and Tom and Pammy have been 100 percent positive above and beyond. Remember, in the beginning the PD was built not as a business, but for friends of Tom, and then he decided to sell them. I don't think he expected demand for PDs to explode the way it did but he dealt with it and everyone received the units they ordered even though the wait time was high. For all of us it had been a great run and a fun ride, including the silly photo contests, and it's over. If you own a PD you own a part of vaporizing history, and if you don't there's other very good log vapes that were part of this amazing evolution that we, as FC participants, were a part of in a peripheral way.
The PD is not a fire hazard. And the thread is now for PD info for those who need help, not for slamming the vape maker. So if you want to bad mouth the builder, take it somewhere else.
Thanks, Jeff, excellent points (not just 'cuz you agree with me, enlightened guys will agree with us, right?). For sure there are others with different experiences and perspectives as so often happens in life. For them capitalism has provided alternatives.....what a country!
Few of us will ever be recognized for being proud owners of genuine PDs, but it won't detract from my pride of ownership. More so, I gave my slightly used Black Walnut unit to a friend as a retirement gift. Being free from drug test threats at long last, it's changed his life in a serious way. Feels real good, that.
Wasn't trying to particularly hate on Tom, but he left quite a few units out there that were supposed to by warrantied with no recourse. Second, it has been noted on here many times that he wasn't the greatest businessman, so there was no need to beat that dead horse. He built some nice vapes that were better copies of the original design, with some additional nice innovations....I still own two that work and they seem fine (they still heat up). However, I have a sneaking suspicion that they are likely charred below the heating element also.
That being said, there are similar units out there now that insulate the heating element from any wood. The PD insulated the sides from the element from what I can see inside, but in no way insulated the bottom.....hence the wood charring that is being seen inside many units.
The evolution goes on. Tom played a nice role in bringing this style of vape along, and now there are better units out there. i'm retiring my PD's, as I'm not comfortable with what I saw once I tore one apart that had failed. I may pull the rings and see what the others look like under the element, but I may just move on. The TT and mrytle are both better units IMO, so life goes on. Just wanted to let others know what they may see if they dig into a PD that is 1-2.5 years old.
Question, now that I find it necessary to move on, could somebody chime in on the TT or the HI vapes? What would be the best option for somebody who liked the PD style, but would like to move on to better technology?
"Better" is a qualitative assessment and not necessarily true, but you could check the threads of the vapes of interest to you and ask around. Remember, "there is no best vaporizer." It's pretty much that simple. I like my PDs alot but I also like some other vapes as well, and I've always felt that way. I actually have one of the original PDs with the little LED indicator light and I guess this is the only place in the world to brag about that.
And then you follow this up with, "Wasn't trying to particularly hate on Tom...." ?? I'd hate to see what you would say if you WERE trying to hate on Tom.
To help add a bit of perspective,
My PD's are over 3 years old, have been on 24/7 every day of the week and they both still operate flawlessly.
I threw up a thread a year or two ago regarding the internal charring of the wood and the possible health consequences of breathing in the fumes from burning wood as it applies to all wooden vapes in those days, but after years of use, there is no hint of smoke from burning wood emanating from the vape and as far as I know, there has been absolutely no issues of fire being caused by this vape.
I don't have any proof of what I'm about to say, but I believe that whatever charring that occurs, happens in the early life of the vape and that it essentially ceases to char after a given amount of time. I could be wrong on this, but I don't think so.
I think you're right. Examples of this abound, from traditional 'fire hardening' wood tools to the current experience with the low end Vapeman that doesn't include heat shields over the wood body. You blast that rascal with a 1200 degree torch, not some lightweight heater, and yet the experience is that the first bit chars and the process slows to a stop. Perhaps the proof exists there?
I read this thread, and this is what I do not understand. The charring of wood is such a minimal amount. Over the course of 3 years, you probably used the thing 1000+ times, and yet the wood still has plenty of color. You will take in more carcinogens when you sit near a fire or actually smoke. Along with that, the very minimal amount of 'charring' is charring of natural wood material, such as lignin and cellulose, which are relatively safe substances when combusted compared to that of other vapes made of cheap metal and plastic.
Where is the 'charring"? I see wood that dried out and cracked over time.
You guys want a vape that is perfect in every way. Some of these posts are sickening to read at the level of pickiness you grown men exhibit. Tom & Pam did the business more or less as a favor to the vaporizer community. It was well thought out, the materials were solid, and the craftmanship was pretty damn good for one person, an older one at that, making so many of them.
It's funny, I don't think I read one post in this entire thread where someones PD just "stopped working". I've been in the consumer world long enough to know that finding a product such as the PD was one in a million, and I am grateful to know that there are people in this world still willing to put forth the extra effort to deliver a near perfect product.
A favor to the community? Lol
They did it for profit. More mature products came along and they could no longer compete so they left the game.
As for charred wood... I've said this before but have you ever enjoyed the warm glow of a fireplace or camp fire? I bet you suck in more soot and smoke from that then you ever could from a log vape. Ymmv
You know what happens when you assume don't you? The real reason, or reasons, apparently aren't gonna be revealed here, but "could no longer compete" wasn't it. Even without enclosing the air path or making any other change, a whole lot of PD's could have still been made and sold. So your assumption, I can say with confidence, is wrong.
Once again, this thread is for info to help those with a PD, or even to point those who were interested, to similar models. Posts made in the future that are off that 'help topic', will likely be removed.
My PD has stopped working.
I don't mean to pry, but you gotta understand you've got an uncommon tale to tell. At least I hope you do? Why? What did it take to get it going. Up until now I think it's always been a power supply (rarely) or connector (quite popular) failure.
I also recall some fellow that managed to melt the solder in his??? But IIRC it still ran?
my first unit stopped working once. Turns out a solder joint was missed and eventually the wire came loose. It just needed to be soldered. Every other failure was related to the power supply.
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