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My secret to THC E-Cig PG-Liquid... Potent, Effective, Cheap, Easy!!!

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by airwave, Jun 7, 2012.

  1. airwave

    airwave Active Member

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    Hi all,

    First time poster... Let me start by saying I have been lurking these forums, among others, for a long time trying to perfect the concept of using a standard E-Cig as a delivery method for THC. I have tried and failed many times, to finally figure out the secret. I am returning the knowledge I have gained with my concept on the best way to achieve this.

    I have a "Riva 510" e-cig. There are many just like it. I use it for nicotine mainly. It consists of 2 parts. Battery and tankomizer. The tank I use is called a "CE4+". Highly recommended for nic use. When I want to vape THC, I just unscrew the tankomizer and screw on my THC "cartomizer". The solution I fill the carts with is PG based mixed with CO2 Oil. I vape 3-5 hits and I am blown away high. This is perfect for traveling, stealth, and medicating in areas where legally you could not before.

    Note: I believe USP Kosher PG (Propylene Glycol) to be safe to vape. If you are not comfortable, do your own research. I might post links to things explaining why it is safe later. Also, I am not trying to start a debate on PG based vapes vs. pure oil style vapes. I find this method to be FAR more convenient and less messy than pure oil carts. I will also post product links later if needed.

    You Need:
    Riva 510 Battery - $20
    Smoktech Dual Coil Low Resistance (1.5ohm) XL Cartomizers - 5 for $15
    Charger - $10
    CO2 (BHO would work too) hash oil
    USP Kosher PG - $10 for a BIG bottle
    Syringes for injecting the solution into the carts - $5
    Heat surface or temp. controlled flat grill
    Glass cup, Shot glasses, or chemistry tubes for mixing.

    • I have experimented with different ratio's of PG : oil and I have found that 2:1 works very well. I heat the flat grill to 250-300 degrees F. I put a gram of oil into the shot glass, and put the shot glass into a slightly larger glass cup with some water. Similar to a double boil method, but without boiling. That cup goes on the flat grill. The water is displaced and comes up about halfway on the shot glass. The heat melts the hash oil to a nice amber sticky thick goo.

    • I measure the PG (in this case I would try 1.5-2 mL) and mix it into the shot glass with the oil. Keep an eye on it and mix it for 15-30 min, until its completely blended. You don't want the mixture to bubble. If you are worried about heat, I place another cup filled with water on the heat, with a candy thermometer reading temperature. It usually stays around 150 deg.

    • I suck up the solution with a syringe, and carefully inject it into the carts. You can use a dropper and drop the solution onto the polyfill in the carts too. You must do this while the solution is hot, because once it cools, the oil seems to separate from the PG. Once its in the polyfill, this no longer matters.

    The carts hold 1.3-1.6 mL of liquid. Usually lasts anywhere from 100-200 good hits, can last for weeks of mild use before drying out. 2-3 hits and I'm medicated. I love it! I have not had any problems with the atty in the cart getting clogged, or leaking. I have been doing this for months with success!

    I am trying to find a way to make the solution stay mixed even when cooled, and use it in the tankomizer. I am also testing other carts to find the best one to use. I have tried supplementing 20% of the PG with VG, to increase vapor production. It seems to work. I would like to try adding a flavoring while the solution is heating. Perhaps peppermint, to mask the oil smell and increase the stealth.

    I couldn't really find this information in one place anywhere, so I thought I would share the whole picture. I encourage you to try, and report your results. If you have further information that will help direct my trials and errors, please post! I would like for this idea to take off!

    Happy Vaping!
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  2. niall

    niall Well-Known Member

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    Bravo.

    Hopefully someone with some chemistry knowledge like Fulvic could help find a different medium that doesn't result in separation at room temperature, but still excites the polyfill enough to help atomise the actives. But yeah, even if it takes a few years you've just made a lot of people very, very happy :D
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  3. Puffers

    Puffers Well-Known Member

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  4. HittingBud

    HittingBud Member

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    Does this work? I'm going to try this when i get my v2 ecig on tuesday
  5. kingofnull

    kingofnull ace

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    Honestly, pure concentrates are a lot more effective.
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  6. HittingBud

    HittingBud Member

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    Yeah but it's a gram of some hash oil i might as well give it a shot and see how it goes. A gram of hash oil will give me like 500 tokes which is a lot so that would be nice.
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  7. Puffers

    Puffers Well-Known Member

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    The drawback is that ecig atomizers arent designed to work with some of the plant waxes and other impurities present in hash oil. While it will work for a while performance will steadily decline as the wicks clog with impurities, until the atomizer overheats and fails. Not telling you not to do it, just technology has surpassed this with more effective systems. If 500 hits a gram is something you want a low power omicron cart would be a better way to go imo. Something you may be to do with an adapter for your V2.

    What ever you decide to go with, i hope you let us know how it works for you. Good luck.
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  8. Rixxy24

    Rixxy24 New Member

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    you're my new god like dude.... Epic. Ive an ego-c with little "tanks" to fill with e juice, forget e juice. Although if you all could see my kitchen today after my SLIGHT blaze yesterday (bho went very wrong! Kitchen seems scortched) so im a liability lol. This forum seems very good. Thanks for existing (:
    One question about vapeing in general, do any methods allow a user to reach 100% of cannabinoids available when combusting? I always get an "up" high from bho but a couchlock from the weed its from? Cheers
  9. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    Running BHO inside is one of the dumbest things you can do. You should feel BAD and should never do this again. I'm being mean sure, but BHO explosions put people, their families, innocent people, and the reputation of cannabis being a safe substance at risk. STOP DOING IT.
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  10. CentiZen

    CentiZen Evil Genius in Training Accessory Maker

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    We don't know for sure he did the running inside - he could have just accidentally sparked up some fumes coming out of the pan. Still not the best idea to bring a wet pan inside though. I don't think he would be posting here if he sparked up a whole runs worth of butane in an enclosed area.
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  11. cmr777

    cmr777 New Member

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    After trying a ton of variants; tinctures, juices, oils, waxes, etc with my eGo and other off-brand hardware, I came to a conclusion as to what works for me. I take .5g of co2 oil and mix it with flavored PG mixtures from the local e-cig shop. Let it sit overnight with a strong strawberry or mint in the cart (I use an atomizer) and you're good to go for the next day.

    I know that you need a double boiler to get it mixed properly, but if you just load it in a cart and heat it up a few times, with a couple shakes it's mixed for your smoke sesh. If you do happen to try this method, heat with the cig pointed down then move it up the first few tries. Then, the dripper gets both lubed from the PG and burns some of the delicious hash. If you want to burn more oil, point the cig upwards. I've been doing this for the past month and have had the best luck so far. I live in an MMJ state that's not allowing dispensaries and technically oil's illegal here, so I don't have access to some of the better product that someone in CA may have.

    BHO IMO is much rougher on the lungs as well as the e-cig hardware. I had a few grams of that and it burned out fast. Perhaps if I'd mixed it with PG....who knows.

    This thread compelled me to join and share my recipe. Hope it helps someone. Just my $.02
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  12. toris1981

    toris1981 New Member

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    Love to see this post! Signed up just to add my thoughts and experiences.
    So Firstly, a question... I use dry ice and 90 microgram bubblebags for extracting THC off my shake and trim. I see others talking about co2 oil? Where does the oil come from?
    Ok, now on to my experience. I put 5grams of hash pollen into a small mason jar, and added 20ml of prop glycol and 20 ml glycerin. I then put tin foil over the top, and then the lid making it as air tight as I could get it. I then placed the mason jar in a crock pot and put it to low setting and filled with water up to the height of my lid on my mason jar. I left if on low and covered and stirred it every couple hours. I noticed it would separate a bit, so I kept stirring.
    That was last night. Today I took two empty ego-pen cartomizers and filled one with the murky unfiltered solution, and then cut out an extra 90 microgram screen and screened the other part. I was totally surprised by the amount of stuff left over, so I put it back in the mason jar and its still continuing now.
    To be honest, I wasn't totally impressed by either the filtered or unfiltered. I noticed a couple times that the water was boiling in the crock pot. I took of the lid and that seemed to solve the water overheating.
    I'm thinking I used a little too much glycerin mix. I'm now planning on trying it again when I get home, but if its still not giving a strong, noticeable hit, I'll add more hash and continue the process.
  13. Puffers

    Puffers Well-Known Member

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    Most if not all bubble hash probably won't work well for this. There is too much plant matter in it, dry ice hash is normally worse. Bho, co2, wax, sap, shatter, budder, etc they are all solvent extracted oils with less plant waxes that should melt fully and cleanly with a lighter. You could always blast your dry ice hash and make oil out of it.
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  14. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD

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    It comes from using supercritical CO2 instead of butane in making hash oil. It comes out orange-looking usually, sometimes dark dark red. I get mine at collectives in syringes for easy dabbing/application.
  15. Grow Goddess

    Grow Goddess Oil Snob

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    @ airwave-OP
    I have been indulging in the concentrated cannabis mixed with PG USP since the beginning of May this year. I love it! I have been mixing RSO with the PG USP. My mixture has been about 20-30% PG USP to 70-80% RSO.

    When I make RSO, I use premium, well manicured, bone dry buds. I probably average about 4 grams of oil from an ounce of bud.

    I don't have any problems mixing it. With the RSO, I just gently warm it until it melts, remove it from the heat, add the PG USP, mix it around a little bit and then it is done. After mixing, I suck it up into a syringe. It does not separate for me, the mixture stays consistent for me. I guess there will be different results with different types of concentrates? I suppose just different solvents alone could cause different results. I have only worked with 99% isopropyl alcohol as my stripping agent.

    I use a similar type of vape pen with the 510 threads like you described, with a dark tinted clearomizer. I like the dual coils too. I use the pen when I go out in public, it is more stealthy. At home, I like to use the innokin SVD portable vape.
  16. rizzxx7

    rizzxx7 New Member

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    Has anyone tried this on a mechanical mod type vaporizer? I just got into cannabis when I injured my lower back and was hooked on pain meds for over 8 months
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  18. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl SPACE GOD

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    Yeah that's how tinctures are made. I don't know if any research has been done as to saturation levels of cannabinoids in VG. The only problem I can see coming out if it is the chlorophyll being leeched out too, which probably isn't too good for atomizers, but it shouldn't really a problem if you're using disposables. Same with the plant waxes, I'm not sure if they're also extracted. Those are responsible for the buildup on nails.

    I think juice has its limits. The Liquidizer team has some proprietary juice for their setup which seems to be working pretty well (the Liquidizer is a BHO extraction kit that comes with juices and it's own pen vape, you blow the 'tane, purge, mix their juice in, and put it in the pen). It's worth a look if you're serious about getting this I work optimally.
  19. scott96021

    scott96021 New Member

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    Thanks I'll check that out.
  20. 2clicker

    2clicker for your health

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    i can vouch for the liquidizer ejmix... works perfectly in my ProTank 2.
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  21. PeteSeattle

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    Compared to e-juices the Liquidizer formula doesn't leave a nasty aftertaste ... that is if using .5ml to make your own EJuice. With 1ml I can taste the pg/peg.

    Does one get used to that taste/smell/throat hit?
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  22. mephisto

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    Shit, I hope so. I used .5ml and tested for taste. KAKA, I can taste the pg,....So I added some zero nic e-juice (8 drops) to adjust flavor. No change, except better clouds from the VG in the juice. I try and drink something right after to wash the aftertaste away. It still does a great job of liquifying your extract to work in e-cig gear. Finally am reaching a strength that I like. If your mix is not potent enough, chuck another 1/2g of extract in, heat, stir, and re-test.
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  23. upsetter21

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    I'm off the wagon due to work related drug testing but I want to drop a little knowledge from some of my experiments; hoping some others will take the baton and run the rest of the marathon...

    We all know that oil and PG don't mix w/o applying some force. I believe the key to creating a THC e-liquid is found in the concept of emulsion. One fine example of a natural emulsion is the creme atop a nicely brewed esspresso. The foam that forms is a mixture of oil and water that stabilizes temporarily from the extreme heat and pressure created during brewing. Chemical emulsion exist also; maybe we would recall using neem oil to control mites on a grow - mixing oil & water by using warm water and a small amount of dish soap and shaking it all up. In that case the soap is an emulsifier.

    Recalling the affects of heat and pressure on the coffee oils, I decided to experiment with a pressure cooker. Hopefully the boston marathon bombing hasn't made these contraband! I used a small glass vial and loaded 1/2 with BHO and 1/2 with PG. I placed it in a low mason jar surrounded by cotton balls to prevent the small vial from falling over. I capped the vial loosely so it would not explode when pressurized but would still be capped in order to build some pressure - much the same way I can fresh tuna!

    The mason jar sits in a bath of water. The pressure cooker gets closed and the heat applied until the gauge reaches 115 degrees F. 10 minutes later I let it cool off and depressurize. What is found in the vial now is an emulsion of the BHO into the PG. A cloudy liquid that can be used in a traditional e-cig type atomizer. I can't say it's the greatest of tastes, but a little menthol or liquirice flavor added helps with that. It works to get you high gradually.

    Now go experiment while I can't anymore, soon to return my space cowboys. yeehaa!
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  24. Grow Goddess

    Grow Goddess Oil Snob

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    No offense, but I beg to differ. I have a 30mL bottle full of PG USP mixed with RSO. Mixed it up about a month or two ago and there is no separation.
    I gently warmed the RSO then stirred in the PG USP and it mixed together just fine.

    Maybe it is different with BHO?

    I do know that VG does not mix with oil though.
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  25. Space Case

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    Have been using the Organalabs CO2 oil and it works great in a Gentleman's nano cart. Better results than the sapphire cart so far. Has anyone added e-juice to this oil? The taste is not great and I wondered if a few drops of zero nic juice might help it and help to mask the slight weed odor. Any recommended brands if so? Should it be pure PG to mix in?
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