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Is it possible vaporising will never get me as high?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by helmutshelmet, Oct 8, 2017.

  1. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    @helmutshelmet please be aware that you'll need a minimum of 50 posts to be able to use the FC's Classifieds section.

    @Squiby was the genius that got me to buy a VapCap and I love it. It's my current daily driver.

    @Vitolo's advice is spot on for trying to get the most out the plenty.

    In addition make sure your herb is fairly dry. When the herb has high moisture levels.

    Are you aware that different vape temps result in different effects? Different components (actives) in the material vaporise at different temps:

    Vaporization temperature dependent selection of effects

    Synopsis is that the lower levels give a more active cerebral high while the higher temps are more sedative with a body buzz.

    It could be that you are expecting the body buzz but not getting it due to using low temps.

    For containing the smell during storage you could follow @emmdeemo's advice and essentially keep the Vape clean.

    @ChooChooCharlie's cooler idea is a good one.

    For smell reduction you could get a SmokeBuddy, not tried one myself but I've read quite a few posts and reviews that say it's a good concept. Alternative options are a sploofy either self made or purchased. A quick Google or search on this forum should yield results.
     
  2. little maggie

    little maggie Well-Known Member

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    I know money is an issue but if you can afford a reducer for your current vape you can probably afford the vapcap m. Just saying.
    I don't know how many times a day you vape. I only do it once a day usually before bed but manage to get sufficiently high microdosing. A gram last me a week.

    If you have more money the on demand ones Kerozen mentioned are my favorites for microdosing: tubo, mistvape touch, milaana. I think all of these are less money than the one you own.
     
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  3. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    I did not notice if you described the color (colour) of your spent material: how dark are you taking it.? While it is not true for all strains, the closer the color is to dark chocolate brown, the more goodies you have inhaled. There are over 90 diff cannabinoids released at different temps. Maybe you are not getting it all.
     
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  4. cybrguy

    cybrguy Patience Rewards

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    I was gonna mention the classifieds here (Squiby beat me, of course). In an illegal country selling a vape locally might be hard. But I get that you want to try an be successful with what you have. Keep it in mind for later...
    This is a really good point. I went through at least 5 gm a week when I combusted, but now (usually) vape less than a gram a week. Once you are vaping a while and no longer lust for the bad chemicals of combustion and the commensurate oxygen deprivation you may find you consume much less.

    In terms of answering the question in the subject, if you continue to combust and vape at the same time you may never get the full effects of vaping and you may not be able to get high "enough" with vaping to get you off smoking. But if you stop smoking it won't take long for you to appreciate the better and cleaner buzz you get from vaping. YMMV
    And some of the most noticeable effects (like couch lock) tend to come at the upper temp ranges, so if your ABV is not dark you could be missing them..
     
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  5. Silver420Surfer

    Silver420Surfer Well-Known Member

    I second this advice. DON'T spend any more $

    You're using the same flowers to vape as you smoked I assume, so you should be able to replicate/better those results with vaping.

    Forget about the conservation of product aspect of vaping right now and focus on using a higher temp in the Plenty to get the results you seek. If I was going to try to convert a smoker to vaping, it sure as heck wouldn't be with micro-dosing, and it absolutely would involve higher temps, no matter what vape I had at my disposal. I advise to find your "center" and then you can work forwards or backwards from there.

    If after a few bowls in the vape at higher/highest temps, and reading up over at the Plenty thread, you still do not "get" the vaping high you seek, I'd say the vape is not working properly. The Plenty is not what I would have chosen, but it should most certainly get you where you want to be going from what I have read over in the thread.

    I realize higher temps are not possible atm due to living constraints, but honestly, no other real solution that I see. After you see the "Power of Vaporizing" lol, which so many of us here at FC have seen, then I would look at ways to regulate your doseage, smaller loads/reducer, etc:2c:

    Good luck and like others have said, check out the VapCap at some point. It totally pulled me back to using flowers after a long absence due to concentrates. So simple a vape but so much like using a one-hitter/dugout type setup from my days of combustion.
     
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  6. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    I smoked about 6 JOINTS before surf (real ocean), (no seeds).

    When I started vaping when I smoke CANNABIS because it work's!

    I started on 3 then 5 now back to 4 Perfect.

    Vaping is weird at first, then it becomes harder to smoke after VAPING!

    These numbers vary from all the vaporirers available.

    Basically start high then work your way down on the setting!

    It worked for me this way.

    Whatever work's for U?

    If you want BLING get whatever you want?
    I like the SOLO because it's cheap and works. (careful out on the web?)
    Plugins are the best if you don't mind being connected?
     
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  7. steama

    steama Well-Known Member

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    I smoked a shit ton of weed mostly because I was a weed lover quite a bit before the vape scene. Looking back on one of the major differences between combustion and vaping was the type of high I was getting from smoking vs vaping. A combustion high is a dirty high. I know now that when I was smoking weed, part of that high was the carbon monoxide, tar, and smoke, depriving me of air during a hit. I was getting high off of the poisons in smoke.

    Now I vape through water, use less, get much higher, and last but not least I feel so much better.

    The best way for a smoker to transition to vaping is to completely quit smoking - everything.

    :2c:
     
  8. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    120 cannabis phyto-cannabinoids found and identified now in 2017.... I'm sure there are more yet to be found... all phyto-cannabinoids have some type of Bio-mimetic or cannabimimetic effect on our adaptable cannabinoid receptors...key words- lipophilic compounds, signalling molecules, secondary metabolites, bioactive lipids, signal tranduction, G protein coupled receptors, peroxisome proliferator activated receptor(ppar)= nuclear receptors! intracellular messenger, extracellular bio accumulator

    As to smoke to vape transition...

    a vape that reaches temps over 400 degrees F is a must IMO... 400 F Plus heat range and a water bubbler to help smooth/condition higher heat vapor will extract and deliver those high heat compounds that people are used to when smoking the herb... with a vaporizer at low heat there tends to be a sativa like head high only that originates in the neck to head area.. getting that heat point to a more higher setting will extract harder to release actives that are sedating and calming for full body effects... unless a person has access to concentrates, only having access to flower requires those higher heats @ first... after your chemical tolerance is adjusted to vaporizing you can start heat tailoring the vapor experience to reach desired levels of medication and work with particular strains with heat too...
    for example- I had a strain called Jack Frost that was the toughest to tear apart strain I've ever seen... there would have been lots of actives in that strain had I not put the high Heat to it and extracted the actives.. I think THCV is in that strain and it is a high heat release compound...

    Edit
    the science of heat released compounds in cannabis..........

    Phytocannabinoids, their boiling points, and properties


    ?-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
    Boiling point: 157*C / 314.6 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Euphoriant, Analgesic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antiemetic

    cannabidiol (CBD)
    Boiling point: 160-180*C / 320-356 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Anxiolytic, Analgesic, Antipsychotic, Antiinflammatory, Antioxidant, Antispasmodic

    Cannabinol (CBN)
    Boiling point: 185*C / 365 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Oxidation, breakdown, product, Sedative, Antibiotic

    cannabichromene (CBC)
    Boiling point: 220*C / 428 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

    cannabigerol (CBG)
    Boiling point: MP52
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antifungal

    ?-8-tetrahydrocannabinol (?-8-THC)
    Boiling point: 175-178*C / 347-352.4 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Resembles ?-9-THC, Less psychoactive, More stable Antiemetic

    tetrahydrocannabivarin (THCV)
    Boiling point: < 220*C / <428 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Analgesic, Euphoriant

    ß-caryophyllene
    Boiling point: 119*C / 246.2 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, Cytoprotective (gastric mucosa), Antimalarial


    Terpenoid essential oils, their boiling points, and properties


    ß-myrcene
    Boiling point: 166-168*C / 330.8-334.4 degree Fahrenheit, Properties: Analgesic. Antiinflammatory, Antibiotic, Antimutagenic


    d-limonene
    Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Cannabinoid agonist?, Immune potentiator, Antidepressant, Antimutagenic

    linalool
    Boiling point: 198*C / 388.4 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Sedative, Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Immune potentiator

    pulegone
    Boiling point: 224*C / 435.2 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Memory booster?, AChE inhibitor, Sedative, Antipyretic

    1,8-cineole (eucalyptol)
    Boiling point: 176*C / 348.8 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: AChE inhibitor, Increases cerebral, blood flow, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antiviral, Antiinflammatory, Antinociceptive

    a-pinene
    Boiling point: 156*C / 312.8 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, Bronchodilator, Stimulant, Antibiotic, Antineoplastic, AChE inhibitor

    a-terpineol
    Boiling point: 217-218*C / 422.6-424.4 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Sedative, Antibiotic, AChE inhibitor, Antioxidant, Antimalarial

    terpineol-4-ol
    Boiling point: 209*C / 408.2 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: AChE inhibitor. Antibiotic

    p-cymene
    Boiling point: 177*C / 350.6 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antibiotic, Anticandidal, AChE inhibitor



    Flavonoid and phytosterol components, their boiling points, and properties


    apigenin
    Boiling point: 178*C / 352.4 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Anxiolytic, Antiinflammatory, Estrogenic

    quercetin
    Boiling point: 250*C / 482 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antioxidant, Antimutagenic, Antiviral, Antineoplastic

    cannflavin A
    Boiling point: 182*C / 359.6 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: COX inhibitor, LO inhibitor

    ß-sitosterol
    Boiling point: 134*C / 273.2 degree Fahrenheit
    Properties: Antiinflammatory, 5-a-reductase, inhibitor
     
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  9. Rat0

    Rat0 New Member

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    Hello, it's great that you're switching!
    I had the same problem last month but now things come to their places. As for me I just had to get used to the new effects. Vaping is not the same as smoking a joint or a bong for me. It's nearer to edibles or tinctures (gets you REALLY high slightly and slowly opposed to instant headshot with further couchlocking from smoking).

    I would also recommend to get a basic vapcap product from Vaposhop or directly from dynavap (if you're interested in getting M for 40$ with free shipping - PM me, I'm eager to help Baltic bro)
     
  10. alex91

    alex91 Active Member

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    Funny, just last week I ate edibles for the first time in my life and one thing that surprised me is that the high feels a lot more like vaping than smoking, and I was really happy to find this out.
     
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  11. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    vaping is a clean way to do it... smoking adds to many dirty Soot clingers to the medicine= unclean... edibles are clean too with no extra soot additives- unless you cannot cook and burn the food lol
     
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  12. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    No actual necessity to "cook" edibles after you have made your cannabutter/coconut oil.

    It is just a practical and fun way to ingest and dose, but you can just the oil/butter as it is. You could definitely argue that's cooking it further will lead to degradation of cannabinoids.

    However it can be a bit tricky to take the butter or oil when you are going out away from home. You need something like a piece of bread to spread it on or something. You can take it in a small jar but chances are your dose will melt depending on temperature.
     
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  13. Morty

    Morty Well-Zoned Member

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    Is it possible vaporising will never get me as high?

    It can get you higher! I know it sounds like bullshit...but it's true! I have friends who smoke & dab all day, every day, and my Supreme & my old Sticky Brick Jr cut through their tolerances like butter! Not high, but slovenly, stupidly, red eyed stoned to the gills! And adding a little concentrate to your bud never hurts! (If your vape can take it) Vaping can be for stoners too! You just need the right weapon(s)!
     
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  14. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    Those melting Doses! Damn - avoid melting doses Now! everyone do their part today! vaporize!
     
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  15. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    Yeah my mum stitched herself up recently when we went out for the day and she took a dose in a small preserve jar, but stupidly didn't take a spoon or knife or something to get it out with. Then she was trying to get it out and it was all just melting and running around in the jar until it was hopeless!:lol:
     
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  16. helmutshelmet

    helmutshelmet New Member

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    Thank you all very much! Well, I went back to smoking the last bit of this current stash, because I'm quite low currently and I decided I could use either all of it in one vape session to feel very little, or turn it into 5 or 6 spliffs and actually feel something, then go into a t-break. I guess I need to decide whether I should keep the Plenty, or try something else in future. Since it's all very expensive where I live, the absolute main point is using under 0,5g per day, which so far is only achievable with spliffs. I wonder how much other people put into the Plenty chamber at a time?

    The other thing I'm doing now is checking what I can do with the avb. I have a rounded tablespoon of it, maybe even 2 tablespoons, so I'm looking through lots of websites and forums to try to understand the chemistry of what to use it for. For example, many people say to just make some peanut butter toast and sprinkle the avb on top, and just as many people say that won't do anything. So I'm checking around, but if anyone knows of any threads, I'll read anything you link me.

    Ah, one more thing you may be interested to know. The very first session I had on the Plenty was more what I expected. I had it quite cool at the time, the dial was on about 5, so 170-190C. That was great. But since then I haven't experienced the same effects on that temperature or on the higher temperatures that some people have advised. And the size/thickness of vapour cloud was also not very consistent either.

    The funny thing is that the time I tried a Volcano and got utterly onto another planet, I had just been smoking spliffs in Netherlands the day before. So the cumulative advice seems to point to the t-break.
     
  17. psychonaut

    psychonaut High as fuck

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    It's a conversion process, you really just gotta go all in and say good-bye to smoking. I wish I had better advice, it's what every one of us had to do. My step-son smokes quite a bit but also uses a vaporizer (crafty) with the dosing capsules, like @ChooChooCharlie mentioned, when the plenty is used with a reducer and dosing capsule can really give you a nice hit, especially if you crank the temps way up. He enjoys the effects quite a bit and doesn't tend to use any more herb, in fact probably a bit less than smoking. You can get a holster of dosing capsules and have a bunch made up and ready to go.
     
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  18. little maggie

    little maggie Well-Known Member

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    I don't have a plenty but using no more than .5g a day seems very doable. I know you can't do it now because of money but the vapcaps are the most like combusting and are very inexpensive.
    You could hang out here for a while until you can sell your plenty.
     
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  19. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    Hi. Here is a link to a post I made in another thread describing an excellent and very efficient way to use your ABV for maximum effect:
    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/e-nano-from-epicvape.7844/page-791#post-1171120

    Now regarding your wish to use a maximum of 0.5 grams per day, you should definitely be able to do this much easier and with a higher level of satisfaction vaporizing than you would smoking the same amount of material.

    I have only vaporized now and not smoked where weed for over 10 years. I literally shudder to think how much more weed I would have used if I had been smoking instead of vaporizing in that time!

    I think half a gram a day is actually quite a lot of weed to vaporize unless you have a very high tolerance. However half a gram smoked is absolutely nothing, and I would really struggle to be happy with that over one day.

    I would say without question to consider selling your plenty. I have never used one but I know for a fact that's different vapes give more or less effect from the same material, for whatever reason and the variation can be quite large. The vapcaps have been suggested and I think they are very good idea for you because they are particularly good at conserving material and giving you more from less.
    I suspect that the plenty is a very hungry herb devourer, and I think it would be in your interests to spend some time researching vapes to find one which has a reputation for giving more effect from a small amount of material.

    Still take a T break by all means but consider cleaning up your plenty properly and listing it in the classifieds. That would be my advice and best of luck, please keep us updated on your final decisions and outcome.:tup:

    Edit- sorry I forgot that you haven't made enough posts yet in order to post in the classifieds. So maybe you could partake in the forum for a little while until you have enough posts and likes to be able to do that? And if you have a tea break for a while you would only need about $50 to get a vapcap, then you could continue to participate in the vapcap thread and gain wisdom there, and in no time you will meet the criteria to post your plenty in the classifieds, and you will already be enjoying a possibly more suitable vaporizer.
     
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  20. Silver420Surfer

    Silver420Surfer Well-Known Member

    "And the size/thickness of vapour cloud was also not very consistent either."

    "So the cumulative advice seems to point to the t-break."

    I disagree with tolerance break advice, unless you personally feel you need that, not just because someone here suggested it. You claim that you are unable to get the same vapor production as you did that very first session...which to me points at the Plenty not working or being operated properly.

    Have you contacted the maunfacturer directly yet? I'd start there before anything else:2c:
     
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  21. Used2use

    Used2use Landrace racer

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    Well 0.5 could be stretched into 3 bowls, or start with a small load and then just add a bit fesh herb after a while...
    But i get where u are coming from, used roll a lot of below 0.1g toothpick style spliffs back in the days, that's basically like drinking cuba libre with almost no alcohol just to satisfy the sugar addiction :D
    It's the tobacco flash that gives u the 'satisfaction' u are craving for. What helped me was to stop tobacco and herb for 3 days, then i smoked a spliff out of pure ABV - it tasted weird but what was even weirder was the feeling of the still unsatisfied tobacco cravings, i just hated that body+mind reaction so much to finally break the tobacco slavery chains and switch to vaping for good.
    That sounds strange, so just to be shure a quick troubleshoot
    - spread out the herb over the whole screen, then put the liquid pad on top, so the load can't move if it's hold sideways
    - Look at the temp display, it heats up to it's set temperature and then turns off the heater and cools down slowly, afer 60 or 90 seconds (not shure) u can repress the large switch at the handle and it starts reheating to temp (orange light indicates it's heating and shuts off when temp is reached) - holding the handle pressed all the time does't work to restart heating...
    - step up the temps, starting at 5 is ok, but step up the temp to max during the session

    Somehow i can't belive it's a faulty unit, there is just not much to break in that design - i would guess it is one of the least failing vapes out there. I started with a Flowermate V that didn't do the trick for me to convince me about vaping, that was somewhere between the vaponic and vapman - if i would have started with the plenty i guess i would have a bought lot less vapes in between (maybe :D), so i don't second selling the plenty - in contrary i'd say it delivers that punch and clouds to fuck tobacco for good, a flowermate shure doesn't and butane vapes are not ideal for switching, ime most ex smokers tend to overcook and keep wondering why they are coughing from vape...
     
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  22. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    @helmutshelmet
    • What colour is your AVB?
    • How dark is it?
    • Does it look like it's been cooked at all?
     
  23. helmutshelmet

    helmutshelmet New Member

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    It looks quite similar to loose tobacco, but a bit darker.

    This post about the avb was extremely confusing to me. I have never made edibles before, I have never used avb before, so I think I need to find an "explain it like I'm 5" kind of tutorial for it :) I think you might think I'm more knowledgable than I am! I wonder how to find out whether I can just put it onto peanut butter toast or not. I will keep googling.

    I am also a little confused about how 0,5g should take 3 bowls, since the bowl is "supposed" to be filled to the brim each time. I'm very careful about exposing as much surface area as possible, I grind it well and spread it out and use the liquid pad. In fact I don't even tilt the machine in case the material could still slide about.

    Unfortunately without a credit card I'm kind of stuck with whatever is sold in the store in the next city over. And definitely still very stuck with only dry materials. I really feel like I wasted my money trying to switch to vaping.

    You know what's interesting? I've never felt a single thing from smoking pipes. I've never used a bong before, so can't comment on that. But outting just herb into a pipe which has the bowl at one end, the hole you put your finger onto, and the bit that goes in your mouth - I've literally never felt a single thing from that regardless of strain and anything else. And that even uses way more herb that what I would normally put into a spliff. I think of myself as a bit of a lightweight since pure joints with only herb in them have knocked me onto my ass in Amsterdam on a few occasions. But truly I hate when friends bring out pipes because it's totally wasted on me, I don't feel anything at all. I wonder if this is related.

    I don't smoke cigarettes with any regularity - five a year, about - and they also give me zero feeling, no head rush, no couchlock, nothing but a bit of nausea. I don't feel anything in my lungs or head at all.
     
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  24. Gray Area

    Gray Area Well-Known Member

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    You are inhaling?? :hmm:
     
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  25. helmutshelmet

    helmutshelmet New Member

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    No gee I guess I'll try that, never occurred to me after years of smoking that maybe I should inhale. Novel idea, what a lifehack.
     
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