Herborizer corner

bleak

Stoner Gear Peddler
Accessory Maker
Have you ever tried a Sublimator? Im really intrested in how the Herborzer compares to a Sublimator, since both seem to be built for fast & hard extraction ( if you so desire ).

Your Videos are awesome by the way, I love your Intros ! :tup:

Thanks! I have tried a Subliminator (early model) and I think the Herborizer Ti is comparable in terms of raw power. On higher temps, its possible to finish a bowl in 1 big inhale, if you use smaller amounts and grind the herb finely. Used this way, it reminded me of dabbing (like a short but intense hit, with amazing flavor)

I never went past 6 on the dial, because that setting produced crazy thick vapor, too much for my taste. I settled on around 5. If you want clouds from the start of the draw, its necessary to 'prime' the bowl by letting it sit a few minutes with the heater attached.
 

bleak

Stoner Gear Peddler
Accessory Maker
That's interesting, I guess I should really consider upgrading to the Ti heater.

I'd highly recommend it. Although I own 2 Herborizer XL systems that are well loved, they'll both be retired. To put the difference in perspective: The new model, on temp setting 3 or 4, is similar to the old model on 10.

The power of the Ti is on another level and I can't go backwards. :rockon:

All glass parts being replaceable (and cheap!) is another deal breaker for me. With the XL, if you happen to break the glass on the heater, it has to be sent back to France for repair. I know from experience :doh::doh:

With the new design, breaking the glass is no big deal. I plan on getting 2 or 3 backups of the glass housings because they are so small and affordable, and I'll be set for many years.

I'm just wainting for the bleak's video to order one

Editing at the moment, I am sure that you'll be impressed as me!
 

The Beagle

Bubbles & Bags
@bleak what's keeping me from the upgrade is the fact that I'm getting too used to the small size and quickness of butane vapes. I absolutely love my Herbo XL but I rarely use it anymore. Spending a couple of hundred euros seems a bit too much at the moment. Anyway I'm looking forward to see your new video, the old one has been a huge help to decide to pull the trigger on my original Herbo! Did you film own/film the enail configuration as well?
 

Melting Pot

Sick & Twisted
Is the Ti powered by ACorDC.
Just wondering if uou could use a vvps dc from a log or maybe a versa ps ac
For more precise control
 
Melting Pot,

verdampersweats

Well-Known Member
So where to sell the XL bubbler with stand safely? ebay keep removing it i am considering removing the ac/dc and selling as "for display only" to get around thier policy. I really do need one of these too! drools
 
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Melting Pot

Sick & Twisted
So where to sell the XL bubbler with stand safely? ebay keep removing it i am considering removing the ac/dc and selling as "for display only" to get around thier policy. I really do need one of these too! drools
Classified on this site
 
Melting Pot,

MrMonss

Well-Known Member
Yeeessssss !!

Is the glassware close to the bubbler not getting too hot to touch after maybe two sessions ?

What about cleaning the titane part after concentrate use ?

I'm really thinking about bying the glasspart (Bong style) on DHgate instead the original bubbler pièce..

Nice vid
 
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Alexis

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Hey all. Ive been eyeing this new Ti with interest. I own the xl, but it isnt ideal for reasons that make the Ti very attractive (use smaller loads and still get big clouds, quick, complete extraction at low temp even, better flavour(?))

I want another heavy hitter that doesnt require loads of 0.4 upwards, or higher temps, to get consistent clouds, without having to take so many draws to finish a bowl as hit size declines.

I also have serious allergy problems and very sensitve lungs. I got rid of my verdamper and got the herbo xl instead, it is much gentler on lungs.

However, I never go above setting 7 (200° C), as that is the maximum my lungs can comfortably handle. Setting 6 or 6.5 is better, but the extraction is so far from complete and the hit size starts to decline quite quickly, so I always end uo raising it to 7.

There is a noticeable difference in taste between 6.5 and 7, even 6.8 there is a diff to 7.
I know that @lazylathe likes setting 8. I tried it, indeed the clouds and effect are superior, but my chest wasnt happy so I stick to 7.

I intend to acquire a new vape at some point. It is out of 2: the Herbo Ti, or the Vriptech heat wand.
I expect most would strongly reccomend the Ti over the VHW. The Ti is far easier, far sturdier, and can work great with tiny loads.

I am pretty decided though that the VHW makes the most sense for me, due to the neutral polarity of the airpath. Some users have said it doesnt bother their asthma like other vapes.

I recently bought the Supreme 3 but am allergic to the aluminium material to a life threatening degree! I am confident this is due to the energetic state of the air heated by the aluminium, Im not ruling out offgassing but not suggesting it either.

So anyway, the VHW is the best bet for my allergies. It can give very large hits at low temp (lower than setting 7 on herbo). And from what I understand the herbo airpath is still a bit exposed to materials other than glass, which if affecting the polarity of the air heated, and actives extracted, could be a factor with my allergy to weed when I vaporize.
I have to consider this.

However, the Herbo Ti would be so much cheaper and easier and safer (I need a good water piece if I get VHW you see, so $450 order if I wanted the PerK from Vriptech, plus ship & customs).



To the point: can anybody comment on the airpath of the new Ti? Is the titanium in the airpath? I presume it must be. If someone assures me that the airpath was 100 % glass, that would get my ears up.

The other curiosity I have: I said I cant tolerate the xl higher than 7, even that is still aggravating.
The new model, on temp setting 3 or 4, is similar to the old model on 10.
Im not sure how to interperet this, in relation to how it may bother my allergies. The xl on 10 would be murder for me.
So either: the Ti gives bigger more powerful hits, at lower temps, due to more power, which may be less aggravating to my lungs,
Or: it would be like the xl on a higher heat and be a real bother to me, even at setting 4 or 5.

Anyway, if you have any thoughts here that'll be great. Great work @bleak with the videos and reports!

Regarding the "polarity" concept, here is a post from @ShadowVape from the VHW thread:

"I had Mark read the previous posts tonight and he said that what Troi has experienced isexactly why he was so stoked on seeing the first Hot Glass wand which insprired the VHWs of today. I'll summarize and quote him where appropriate: He said his opinion is that the alumina ceramic or anodized aluminum materials used for elements on most vaporizers changes the"polarity (energetic state) of the air being heated, and in turn, the vapor extracted." Mark is biginto the "energetic component of plant medicines" as complementary to the "chemical"components, and whether one believes in the ability of "subtle energies" to work medicinally or not he says "all one has to do is taste the same herb extracted and delivered as vapor side by side with the Vrip, or another vaporization system with all glass air and vapor path (there are only two others that I'm aware of including the herborizer and the new VapeXhale) andany other vaporizer with a ceramic or metal element and they will damn sure taste thedifference!"

His reference to the herborizer, I believe he wasnt then aware that the stanless steel, or ceramic (I forget) is in fact in the herbo airpath.
 
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BD9

Well-Known Member
Hey all.

I want another heavy hitter that doesnt require loads of 0.4 upwards, or higher temps, to get consistent clouds, without having to take so many draws to finish a bowl as hit size declines.

Hi Alexis. I would suggest you try a Vapor Brothers VB1. It is a heavy hitter with smooth vapor. You can get big clouds with small doses and low temps. And, it great with water tools.
I love mine!

https://www.vaporbrothers.com/vaporbrothers-vapor-box-desktop-vaporizer-hands-free-120V

  • Intuitive process anyone can master
  • Quick warmup - few minutes
  • Stylish and durable - survives years of abuse
  • Naturally vented - completely free of fans or vibration
  • Carefully designed with non-toxic inhalation in mind
  • Backed by our Limited Lifetime Warranty
  • Made in the U.S.A.
Our glass and ceramic components are always well made, consistent and durable. We inspect 100% of our product, even literally under a microscope at times. Vaporbrothers ceramics are similar to porcelain but about 5 times stronger.

All Vaporbrothers Vaporizers feature our exclusive Natural Mineral Heater - an extremely dense and non porous ceramic material that does not expose you to hot metal or other questionable materials. It is the worlds first ceramic heating element custom designed for vaporizing.



Has anyone compared the Herborizer to the Flower Pot? They seem very similar but the Flower Pot is much cheaper.

https://www.newvape.com/vape-essentials/flowerpot-vaporizer/
 

Alexis

Well-Known Member
Hi Alexis. I would suggest you try a Vapor Brothers VB1. It is a heavy hitter with smooth vapor. You can get big clouds with small doses and low temps. And, it great with water tools.
I love mine!

https://www.vaporbrothers.com/vaporbrothers-vapor-box-desktop-vaporizer-hands-free-120V

  • Intuitive process anyone can master
  • Quick warmup - few minutes
  • Stylish and durable - survives years of abuse
  • Naturally vented - completely free of fans or vibration
  • Carefully designed with non-toxic inhalation in mind
  • Backed by our Limited Lifetime Warranty
  • Made in the U.S.A.
Our glass and ceramic components are always well made, consistent and durable. We inspect 100% of our product, even literally under a microscope at times. Vaporbrothers ceramics are similar to porcelain but about 5 times stronger.

All Vaporbrothers Vaporizers feature our exclusive Natural Mineral Heater - an extremely dense and non porous ceramic material that does not expose you to hot metal or other questionable materials. It is the worlds first ceramic heating element custom designed for vaporizing.



Has anyone compared the Herborizer to the Flower Pot? They seem very similar but the Flower Pot is much cheaper.

https://www.newvape.com/vape-essentials/flowerpot-vaporizer/
Thankyou, I will be sure to look at it. However, my main aim is to avoid any ceramic, or metal, in the airpath, in case the polarity element is aggravating my allergic response, as has been repeatedly suggested in the VHW thread. (Well, the idea of the neutrality being less irritating).

I have heard good things about the Vaporbrothers though, much appreciated input.:tup:

Just about to rip on the xl, with a 0.4 gram load I started Sunday and left half of it.
I feel that the xl needs 0.4 or up for huge clouds on 7 or below. Even the VHW can give the largest rips of 0.2 to 0.3, on low temp.

So the Vaporbrothers sounds good here, just the ceramic I would like to avoid.
If Titanium is the only thing in the airpath except glass (and screen of course), for all I know, it may be even more suitable for my allergies than ceramic.
Im really hoping my excellent buddy Dave will get the Ti for me to try it at his. He is my ONLY valorizer buddy in the world here in Bedford UK, and I rarely get to see him!:(;)
 
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Melting Pot

Sick & Twisted
Thankyou, I will be sure to look at it. However, my main aim is to avoid any ceramic, or metal, in the airpath, in case the polarity element is aggravating my allergic response, as has been repeatedly suggested in the VHW thread.

I have heard good things about the Vaporbrothers though, mich appreciated input.:tup:

Just about to rip on the xl, with a 0.4 gram load I started Sunday and left half of it.
I feel that the xl needs 0.4 or up for huge clouds on 7 or below. Even the VHW can give the largest rips of 0.2 to 0.3, on low temp.

So the Vaporbrothers sounds good here, just the ceramic I would like to avoid.
If Titanium is the only thing in the airpath except glass (and screen of course), for all I know, it may be even more suitable for my allergies than ceramic.
Im really hoping my excellent buddy Dave will get the Ti for me to try it at his. He is my ONLY valorizer buddy in the world here in Bedford UK, and I rarely get to see him!:(;)
Ti has titanium in air path
Utopia or Evo
Utopia is not available yet but i can guarantee all glass air path i actually got a chance to test it.
 

BD9

Well-Known Member
However, my main aim is to avoid any ceramic, or metal, in the airpath, in case the polarity element is aggravating my allergic response, as has been repeatedly suggested in the VHW thread. (Well, the idea of the neutrality being less irritating).

Well, there is the Vapolution 3.

DnBinZ6.jpg


From Vapor Critic review; "It’s the first vape I’ve reviewed with a truly 100% glass air path, and I’m impressed. The glass gives the vapor a super pure flavor and it still keeps it smooth and comfortable."

https://vapolution.com

Sorry. Not trying to derail the thread, just trying to help a brother out............ :)
 

Joaon

Well-Known Member
:rockon::bowdown::luv:

Great video ! It really gives the feel of the Herbo ! :cool:

Your video of the XL made me buy one at the time, but this time; I'm sorry, but I didn't waited on you and bought it straight at the release !
I'm sure the Ti have (and will..) blown the expectation on some of us .. :brow:

But some days, I still like to pop out the XL Herbo, for a long and cosy session


So either: the Ti gives bigger more powerful hits, at lower temps, due to more power, which may be less aggravating to my lungs,
Or: it would be like the xl on a higher heat and be a real bother to me, even at setting 4 or 5.

The Ti runs at higher heat than XL on the same setting, and keep it constant better.
From my experience, I find that setting it at 6 would be my max, and equal to 10 with XL.
You can set the Ti at 4 - 4.5 for 180ish °C hits. Even with .03g, you have great clouds!


This thing is a beast ! It fears me to power it on some times !
Sadly I broke my bubbler and heater glass housing, by stumbling on the cords .. My bad :doh:


I must say that it is not (anymore?yet? ..) my daily driver, but I really enjoy to have both the
XL and Ti herborizer. Greats pieces, great results, giant smile. :D


:ninja:



Edit:
Here is a temp chart that Sebastien sent me for the Herborizer Ti :

Herbs bowl:
1 - 90°c
2 - 110°c
3 - 130°c
4 - 160°c
5 - 190°c
6 - 220°c
7 - 250°c
8 - 280°c
9 - 290°c
10 - 300°c


Enail:
1 - 160°c
2 - 200°c
3 - 250°c
4 - 300°c
5 - 330°c
6 - 380°c
7 - 410°c
8 - 440°c
9 - 470°c
10 - 500°c
 
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Alexis

Well-Known Member
Once again @bleak amazing videos. I can see now why you need to take your time editing.

I saw you set the flower bowl on 5, said to equal 190°C, which is the basic injector setting.

So I do still wonder if it is possible that the new Ti can give larger, more full spectrum hits at equal temps to 6 or 7 on the xl dial, from much less material and without HAVING to raise the temp more.
This is the idea that attracts me to the Ti.
In the video, the load size looks easily 0.2 maximum, or less, with great sized hits on the number 5, 190° setting.

Also, maybe it is that bubbler, but it looks like it is easier to draw large pulls on with the Ti model, than xl injector.

One thing I always preferred about the verdamper, is the more wide ooen airpath. The herbo is more restricted and requires more inhalation time to get it going.
 

Carlos8400

Well-Known Member
My grasshopper being dead and refunded i just placed an order for a 14.5 Ti kit and an extra 18.8mm bowl.
I already have a bunch of glass so it made more sens buying the nail only.
I really like the fact that you can buy only the bits you need from their selection.

Should have it sometiemes next week and will report back.
 
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