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Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by marcuss, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. deadlytoaster

    deadlytoaster Canadian lost in Denmark

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    Hehehe another crazy Canadian chiming in then ;)

    Sadly my Herbo is being sold tomorrow since I got hit heavy financially and need to offload a lot of personal possessions. It was a short lived but really great run with the unit! Will miss it dearly. Having a final large hash filled session with it tonight :'(
     
  2. pxl_jockey

    pxl_jockey Barely-Known Member

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    ^I hate this! I don't really "LIKE" but more that I empathise with your loss @deadlytoaster and especially sad to hear you've been hit with financial troubles. I've been there before and it sucks, no doubt about it, I don't wish that on anyone. Are you a new member or just not post much? I hope you're able to continue fucking combustion because that would suck even more. Please keep coming back to FC no matter what, because it needs all the crazy Canadian members it can get, I think! :peace:
     
  3. deadlytoaster

    deadlytoaster Canadian lost in Denmark

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    Mostly was on the /r/vaporents community but now frequent both forums, don't post super often. I'll still be FingCombustion for sure, still have my XMAX Starry to guide me! Was thinking of selling that and my Flowermate and getting a good budget portable that can be used with a water pipe. Thinking Arizer Air II, Fury 2 or used Crafty. Any other ideas?
     
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  4. MrMonss

    MrMonss Well-Known Member

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    Good budget portable + WaterPipe = Get a M from dynavap, You'll save money & get highly CiVILIZED.
     
  5. deadlytoaster

    deadlytoaster Canadian lost in Denmark

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    Never was keen on the M but after sooo many buzzing reviews and videos I'm definitely thinking of one now!
     
  6. Carlos8400

    Carlos8400 Well-Known Member

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    Having done the whole dynavap thing fully, M then upgrade to Uni, then to Omni, I would say don't bother with the M, go straight to the ti tip, it works much better.
     
  7. latulipe999

    latulipe999 Well-Known Member

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    This is not the thread to polemic on the VapCap, but i have to say i dont not agree with you.

    The -M- work as well as the Ti and the Omni. This is just the basic cheap one. ;)
     
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  8. Carlos8400

    Carlos8400 Well-Known Member

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    Let me rephrase:
    In my time of using the M, then the Uni and the Omni i have never enjoyed using the M.
    It was only after buying a Ti tip for it that the experience became enjoyable, and that i started using it regularly. Yes the M works, it clicks, it creates vapor, etc, but it is IMO not enjoyable.
    Between spending money on the M or saving your money and buying the Uni, Vong or Omni i think the correct decision is always to save and go for the Ti tip. Whether you decide you want to use the carb or not will tell you if the Omni is worth it to you.

    In the end, it's all a personal decision. I also own a Vapman, and i think it is a completely flawed design, bordering on the useless. Still, some people think it is the best vape on the market.
    We can't all agree on everything.
     
  9. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    If you guys would like to discuss other vaporizers, please do so via PM or in the appropriate thread. This thread is about the Herborizer so please keep the discussion about Herbo.

    Thank you.

    :peace:
     
  10. latulipe999

    latulipe999 Well-Known Member

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    This is how the week-END !

    [​IMG]

    Cheers :p
     
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  11. pxl_jockey

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    Thank you @latulipe999 for the beautiful Friday photo and for breaking the deathly silence!
     
  12. stickstones

    stickstones Vapor concierge

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    Broke this one out again the other day and so glad I did! I love that it milks tasty no matter the draw speed. It lets me settle into my comfort zone and then delivers. And I like a big bowl, DAMMIT! All this talk and practice with microdosing is great, but there’s nothing like a big ol bow, either...I’m feelin great!
     
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  13. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Stickstones man you sure help me to more easily accept my puny mortality and the disappointment of being so intolerant to most of the best vapes out there.

    But it sure feels good to know that I am comong back to the trusty Ti, not like a dog with it's tail between it's legs, but standing tall and proud to soon be owning a vape that is so highly regarded and enjoyed by the legendary @stickstones :bowdown:, who has all the best vapes and as much vape experience and knowledge as anybody.:rockon:

    And it is also a testamant to you to remain so balanced and neutral in your comments, impressions and comparisons of various models. It is so easy to move on and sing the praises of the next best vape while wiping feet on the past champions.

    Really looking forward to getting my Ti soon. Not sure when still- it could be next week, it could be 2 months (maximum).
     
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  14. pxl_jockey

    pxl_jockey Barely-Known Member

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    I have questions for members with a Ti (also those with experience who may not currently own one). I've been obsessing over the herbo a lot, so sick with VAS. I'm amazed there is not more talk/reviews/buzz about Ti on the interwebs. I have found more about the XL tbh and it's puzzling to me, especially as the Ti is a different creature altogether visually and performance/extraction-wise it's a beast in comparison to the XL. I can see the appeal of the XL in the right time, like a long hang with friends and chilling. But for me, I want to be able to hit 1-3 good microbowls and get relief as well as full-spectrum flavour & effect from a stationary heavy-hitter. I have a log and it works but I want something more! :freak: So, here it goes:

    Do you find that you use one controller setting for warming up/heat soak and then adjust to a different setting for use? I'm trying to get an understanding of how often the user must have access to the controller during daily use. Or could I set the knob to the desired temp and put the controller out of view, and only turn it on/off at the outlet. Does anyone use a timer on the outlet or one of the fancier "smart" wi-fi plugs? I'm making a small vape station in my already small studio, so can easily conceal the cords & controller for a clean look but not if I need to adjust temps frequently, so this is my reason for asking.

    I wonder if the performance of the digi-Ti will be superior to that of the current Ti to justify doubling the power consumption from 36W to 72W? The cost of electricity is quite high in UK, so the lower consumption is a larger factor for me than a faster warm-up time, if that is the only difference in end-use. I have more time than money currently, lol! So if I understand, Ti warm-up is 5-10 minutes and Digi-Ti will be 2? Will the more power mean anything more for the user? Those with knowledge/experience with heavy hitters will have thoughts and considerations that I may be missing, please educate me. I hope I have been clear in I know there are many users here quite smart so please take the time and post your findings on any of this. :peace:
     
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  15. Carlos8400

    Carlos8400 Well-Known Member

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    I started my Ti journey by turning it on and off every time i used it. I did at time experiment with warming it up on 7 to speed things up, and then lowering it back to 6 before taking a hit.
    In the end my favourite method is just to turn it on the desired temp (5.5) and then leave it on until i know i am done using it for the day or for a long time. I am not worried about consumption, the Ti is 36w 12v, i doubt it would show up on your electricity bill unless its on 24/7 on max!

    Personally i have it all setup on top of my amp (picture page 62 and 66), with the cables hidden and controller tucked in a corner.
    I can quickly unplug the head, store everything and leave the controller and connector there.
    I just turn it on to 5.5 when i want to use it and wait 15 min. I never fool around with temp once it is on, and could happily have it all connected to an on/off switch.

    Digi vs Analog, i wouldn't spend the extra cash, i don't think i need the precision or the speed. Maybe if you use a lot of concentrates?
     
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  16. pxl_jockey

    pxl_jockey Barely-Known Member

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    Thanks @Carlos8400 the photos of your set-up really illustrates how little space the Ti requires. Your usage method would most likely be mine, once on I want to be able to hit on demand. It's nice that it doesn't pull a lot of power compared to some other desktop units. Thanks for your thoughts on everything.
     
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  17. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    You can take this approach on the heat up, some have, to set it higher to (hopefully) reach heat faster, then turn back to your desired setting when you feel it is hot enough.
    Similar principle as putting the oven up to 200° to warm when you want it at 180.

    But this way of thinking is still, to me, somewhat speculative in cases where it hasn't been verified or tested/timed. Im sure you could make some empirical (and accurate) observations by testing it and timing the heat up to see if you can get it to produce vapor quicker, or get into your sweet spot sooner- this is the main aim here.

    Im not saying setting it to 6 or 7 for 10 minutes then back to 5, isn't going to get you and your heat soaked bowl ready at as desired a few minutes sooner then setting 5 from the off.
    It kind of makes sense logically, but is yet to be determined. @stickstones may be able to conduct some kind of objective testing on this initial heat up higher temp question.

    But it may not make much difference for all we know. I know @Carlos8400 has certainly uswd this approach when drooling for the Ti :drool: after having to switch it off 8 hours prior for the vapor interrupting inconvenience that is sleep!:lol:
    I bet he has observed accurately what difference it makes to reaching desired heat soak level sooner.

    But no, it isn't necessary as such. Yes you can just keep the controller set on your chosen level and turn on/off at the socket. Personallg though I would want to always have easy access to the controller. You are very unlikely I feel to get optimal performance from the Ti and your weed with regard to different times/medicating needs, variable load sizes, weed moisture, strain etc.

    And just your fancy, which is not set in stone at all. I just would want to have sight and access to the dial at any time myself, EVEN if I was going to keep it in the exact same place at all times. I did tweak it a lot, between 5 to 5.7ish, often during a load. You certainly don't want it to be inconvenient to get access to this important aspect of controlling and monitoring the vapor- not at least until you are familiar with the device.

    And anyhow, you will want some room to move the heater and lead. The controller is pretty close to the heater, and very small anyway. So I don't see there really being any need to conceal that part.

    I've never used a smart plug- could be employed Im sure, just make 100% sure the heater is safely positioned.

    I dont think we have had any information at all so far on the performance of the digital? We have only been speculating, I know Sebastien said ages ago it will have "better reactivity", I can't remember if he also said "faster heat up".

    But I am sure it will heat up faster, and reach a full heat soak sooner as well. @Carlos8400 says a 15 minute heat soak is required for optimal performance and I take his word on that.
    Going by intuition alone, I bet the digital may achieve this in 8-10 minutes (or less).

    Just a calculated guess though. So you could see this as a bonus. I can see then added and bigger advantage in actual usage to keep the bowl heat soaked when you are removing the heater and not replacing immediately. The more powerful and reactive digital heater would likely make for more consistent performance throughout the session, when the heater is being removed from the bowl for stirring or reloading, possibly bringing the bowl back up to optimum heat slightly quicker, partly due to increased power and also the ability of the heater to increase heat in reaction to the cooler bowl when replaced.

    Again though this is all just speculation and theorising, but has some logic I think.
    So there may be some practical functional advantages to the Digital in this sense, we have even less idea how the performance and vapour production of the digital will compare to the analogue. There is no reason to expect a functional difference at this stage, but we can't be sure that the more powerful heater won't affect the vape signature and Performance in some way.

    Personally if I could be absolutely sure that the vapor production and performance at specific temperatures will be identical, I would possibly consider waiting for the digital. (Only in relation to my vaporizer tolerance, in cass it affects me differently to the analogue.)
    One definite advantage the digital may offer is knowing when you have reached temperature and what temperature you are vaping at. It could take the guesswork and uncertainty out of the equation regarding initial heat soak specifically, and even more so for when you are tweaking temperatures during use so that you have a better idea of when things have stabilized.

    Right, I must confess I am really struggling to make sensible and relevant comments here, my brain is currently very muddied, so I bid you good night, I hope something was helpful- Im sure the other members have posted much better simpler answers in the meantime.:nod::zzz:
     
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  18. pxl_jockey

    pxl_jockey Barely-Known Member

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    @Alexis thanks for clearing that up with the warm-up times. I was certain that it had been stated earlier but when I went back to look - poof! I don't know where I came up with those figures, I must've been high! That 2 minutes warm-up must be for some other vape, when I can't sleep because pain and muscle spasms some nights I vape and read about vapes, vaping and vaporization and give up sleep altogether. But my retention suffers obviously! I surely hope more members post about their set-up and how they use Ti.
     
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  19. Alexis

    Alexis Well-Known Member

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    Hey thanks man. No problem, I am very happy for you to send me all your money. I'm ready when you are. Just get your family to stop eating and I can have all the vapes I want!

    Hoorray, Ti here we come!:rockon:
     
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  20. pxl_jockey

    pxl_jockey Barely-Known Member

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    Wow @Alexis I don't even remember that post but hey, there it is so yeah, for some reason I can't fathom, I'm now honour-bound to send you money to finance your quest for global vaporization domination. There's no argument to be had when it's there in digital glory for all to see. I'm not sure about the starving my family to make you wealthy, I think we'll have to dig a bit deeper than that. I'm sure we can trim down th Clothing & shoe budgets. They just keep needing new ones, bigger ones after only 6 weeks anyway!

    I've got a serious problem with the Ti. I can't stop thinking about it, how great it would be to experience what it can do, how cool it would be if @Hogni loaned his to me for a couple months, three max. This is a bad case of VAS for me, I don't usually get this crazy worked-up but Desktop Decision '18 has consumed me. It's a big money decision and I suppose that's good in that it forces me to only do this one time and be happy for a few years with whatever I choose. That's what I tell myself, lol.

    I need to be a patient, responsible adult about this decision especially since I'm also buying all of Alexis' shit now too. Oh well, I can dream. Can't I? No? I wish all some good quality time with herbo this weekend!
     
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  21. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Funny guy....THREE months? Without my bedside desktop?? Are you kidding??? PM me.
     
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  22. deadlytoaster

    deadlytoaster Canadian lost in Denmark

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    I should unsubscribe from this thread before I cry anymore about having to sell my Herbo :'(

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooo
     
  23. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    Cry, baby, cry! You've every reason to do so ;)
     
  24. deadlytoaster

    deadlytoaster Canadian lost in Denmark

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    Has anyone any links to a Digi-Ti article? Can't find anything about it and I keep seeing it pop up in discussion.

    Want to get one of those perhaps. Until then, I'll sadly sip on my Flowermate V5.0 again :(
     
  25. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    They aren't available up to bnow. Probably around march/april.
     
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