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  1. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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  2. ilikesnacks

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    haha, that makes you look like a bootlegger, it reminds me of a moonshine still.

    but if i saw someone sucking on it... looks like something out of the cantina scene in star wars, wild.

    pretty ingenious little setup youve got worked out there, how does it work ?
     
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  3. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Well, i wish i were! ... since it might have provided me even more inspiration...

    That's the big question, although it rendered my sessions a lot more enjoyable this particular contraption of mine wouldn't be suitable for repeated use unless spotless attention is being devoted to sanity issues (bacteria mostly)... Yet it confirmed my previous Mist Maker test results: it's the next big trend in cannabic vapour conditioning, IMO, but i'd still find essential to understand what physical principles are at play here before additional progress can be made: no water "washing" occurs under the dome already but that doesn't mean there's no room for any further tweaks!

    At least now i'm confident that re-injecting some humidity in such fashion may happen to constitute a very interesting option on the long run!!

    :bigleaf:

    Should you have asked how it feels though i might have replied that practically all harshness is taken away; bad aroma & taste are no longer a problem with fog-conditioning it seems. In fact i can vape beyond the point where it would become clearly unpleasant to inhale dark depleted herb under normal conditions - because this simple process appears to render the whole thing manageable!...

    My next experiment(s) shall be aimed at the exploration of more fog sources if i can find a proper generator.

    :peace:
     
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  4. Roger D

    Roger D Vapor Wizard

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    "wouldn't be suitable for repeated use" Its because your setup is very complicated. That's looking like a pain to clean. I'm a serious maniac about health hazards so I'm always cleaning everything, really. Like before I buy just about anything, I'm already thinking about how to clean it.

    Off topic but I got lenses too in the past, can't stand em anymore and I can't lasik so I always gotta keep glasses :cool:
    I've got a huge surprise coming for you :tup:

    EDIT :



    Setup was really easy, I just put the unit in there. The rubber was too large so I cutted it and replaced with some cork to maintain the seal.

    The unit is brand new so I had to change the water couple times, the water takes a subtle plastic odor after a couple hours running in the water, getting hot and stuff. I think to be inhaled safely, you gotta keep the water from getting hot and change it right before each use. Never use the same water more than an half hour.
    Mist maker mist should be relatively safe to breathe if the water is clean. You are suppose to breathe some of that mist if you use it in your house anyway.

    That's the only concern here, cause the performances are amazing. In the vid I take like twice what I can normally take without really coughing. I think its gonna replace my bubbler most of the time. That thing don't have any drag, its amazing, and it doesn't alter the taste like my bubbler does. Its like the strong taste of the bag, without the harshness.
    And you can blow back to recycle vapors and minimize odors. Plus the cool visual electronic magic bong style

    Seriously guys, that thing is awesome.. I wish you could all try. Theses mega rips were so smooth.

    Less stuffed nose, couple hours later : I breathe so well its stunning
     
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  5. ilikesnacks

    ilikesnacks Well-Known Member

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    i'm kind of blown away by all of this, super impressive.

    this seems like it could be an incredibly practical solution to conditioning vapor, i'm really interested in where this all goes.
     
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  6. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Salutations iliKeSnacks,

    Welcome to the club of enthousiasts! :clap:

    I'm convinced - after i've evaluated fog conditioning in multiple successions - that there's most definitely something to be learned from it if not more, probably much more if other stoners with irritable throats will finally decide to experience it themselves.

    Lets just remind ourselves that safety commends us to be extra careful with the clean-up work as mold (bacteria) likes humidity, etc., and nobody want to inhale that!! - which in my eye renders the late YouTube video from Ca5h even better to look at (because of glass, of course!)...

    :peace:
     
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  8. Roger D

    Roger D Vapor Wizard

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    One thing, I still prefer direct draw to get high. I think when I condition the vapors, I take more at one time, so I metabolize less.
    If you take it easy you don't cough. Cloud chasing makes cough, not skimmed milk, and yeah, drinking something helps a lot.
    If you cough, before trying anything else.. Slow it down bro !
     
  9. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Salutations,

    I've tried to merge a few ideas gathered from the recent dialogs and ended up with this simple drawing:

    [​IMG]
    FogBong!

    Cannabic vapour would never escape its dedicated conduit through the "Mixing Site" hole (located at the elbow's lowest point) simply because of a faint but still positive pressure created inside the main cavity by fog generation. In addition, while containing our precious molecules this air/vapour conduit would also accumulate condensed water around that opening, until weight compensates for surface tension that is - which in practical terms implies that the hole would be sealed with a tiny pond of water anyway...

    A pressure drop caused by inhalation would combine with the positive pressure around and hence force some fog in as it makes a slurping sound, i presume (since water droplets would get lifted and fall back continuously towards the tiny hole). As a result, we should obtain convenient fog conditioning with gentle bio-feedback sound from the mini bubbles as a bonus and even a light-show from the Mist Maker puck to entertain us, turning the whole experience into quite a treat judging from what i know already!

    :peace:
     
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  10. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Egzo (props to CA5H too) this dream is shaping up nicely :) Yes, its the mixing that is the key, and you've done it in an ingenious way here that gives a light show in a nice package as well. Your just going to have to determine the size of the inlet, and I also would like to see some kind of "vortex" motion be applied in the "manifold" or straight section after the fog injection site section. Your getting the fog in there, now lets give the mix a spin :) I like this dream I'm having . . . :zzz:
     
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  11. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Salutations T-Dub,

    Wake up dude! :D

    ...

    Sorry, i'm returning from a visit to my green hobby space and it made me feel like joking! :p

    Those are wonderful dreams, though i'm afraid by the time i'm done implementing such features it's quite possible Chrysler, Ford or GM have converted their activites to the vaporizer market already! Perhaps when the whole concept is known and widely used... But at the moment my goal by posting related illustrations lately was simply aimed at telling the FC members how little involvement it takes to build a prototype (with some planning).

    Here's a sample you've probably seen before:

    [​IMG]

    Functional but quite dull in appearance, supposedly short-lived in any case as it's not supposed to be permanent - and the potential experimenter has been warned of the risks, etc.

    :science:

    But i realized, with the constructive assistance of Ca5h, that sauce bottles hardly sell as bongs at all!

    Complex contraptions may initiate some manifestations and yet such type of project may be impossible to replicate due to hardware availablilities, whatever.

    In fact visual information needs to be decoded at multiple levels. It seems i may have struck the proper string at last.

    :cool:

    So that's how i came to the drawing shown previously. Briefly put it's got to be stable or the puck will turn defective in no time should the incident occur on a "SOL" (Short-of-Luck) day! Stoners want it to be hard to break, evidently. The looks must provide some nice features to stare at, which is why i favored a curved shaped over straight lines (the unconcious equivalent of porn, hence 90 % sold!)... Add chiseled glass to my description and we'll all enter the same collective dream together - AWAKE!!!

    ...

    Ca5h has shown me simplicity, i tried to put it into practice. The result could probably depend on a ready-made bong, waiting for me to get my hands on it in some underground commerce, go figure!

    Safety is another concern, which is why i suggest that the puck should be installed securely about 3.8 cm (1½") above the bong's bottom surface. The same amount of water will be required to cover the nebulizer as well but this needs to be tweaked by adding/removing water just a bit after each test.

    My reason for this is to provide plenty of room all around the puck as i've got a hint it may need it.

    By the way: Always POWER DOWN during manipulations, NEVER touch the Mist Maker otherwise!!!

    Also: DO NOT use hot water as it is water which cools down the electronics... I haven't tried it and neither should anyone. Alcohol in this water toy also sounds like a bad idea.

    :2c:

    Finally, ease of maintenance. Being very similar to a bong, in terms of basic structure, i don't suppose the average user would mind that it needs to have an opening sufficiently large to allow the passage of the Mist Maker, e.g. 4.5 cm (1¾") in diameter, about 5 cm (2") high.

    I'm pretty sure there will be room for vortexes, resonnance tuning, etc. Wait long enough and these things will eventually happend, i believe. The invention wasn't mine, others thought of it before and the technology wasn't waiting for me to uncover its potential. If i hadn't jumped readily in the band-wagon i'm convinced another would have anyway, eventually. It's there, like a shape in the stone, and i'll bet it will be a beautifull one in good time: all it needs is to be revealed!!

    Now, i dearly hope fog conditioning will gain some external acceptance & feedback, for the best...

    Today another step is being made perhaps so lets set more initiatives in motion!...

    Thanks for all the support!

    :peace:
     
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  12. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Salutations,

    Time for an update:

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    Well, in fact this is already obsolete because i just realized the 2 black junction pieces (near the center) can be simply replaced with short 3/16" I.D. 5/16" O.D. sections...

    The mixing hole is about 2 mm x 3 mm, a piece of 5/16" I.D. 7/16" O.D. PVC tube cut along its length is obstructing it partly in order to render some adjustment possible.

    I've shopped around for a glass carafe with a large enough opening and a pastic lid to match. The 24 Volts power wire should pass through there to ease maintenance instead of a "carb" hole in any.

    :peace:
     
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  13. mvapes

    mvapes Surrounded by the healthy!

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    I am going to read this thoroughly - I need to learn more about water curing. I have asthma and could use all the conditioning I could get - especially living with southern humidity.
     
  14. Roger D

    Roger D Vapor Wizard

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    I think what would be awesome is to combine a water pipe that forces the flow thru the water with a medical grade mist maker unit after that.
    I still mainly use my conventional 8 arms bubbler. I like the bubbles. The mist maker, I used it a lot, I think my bubbler filtrates more, but the mist maker adds more moisture. So I think the absolute conditioner have to combine both in one glass unit, the mist maker have to be easy to remove to iso clean. I already have a possible design in mind. I need a glass blower and a maker of mist makers ;)
    The mist maker units should be smaller, like 2,5cm diameter, and have a full 18/10 medical grade inox body, 100% natural rubbers.. Avoid any contact of something synthetic or who does have any kind of leaks in the air path. And an energy efficient unit who does not get hot at all, usable with a battery. A switch would trigger the unit on for like 3 minutes. The best would be a all in one unit, with a battery and a mist maker, and a rubber joint in the middle. You would stick that in a bong with a extra tube cut in the bottom, add water and its working.

    I'll make a schema, its surely not very clear said like that
     
  15. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Salutations Ca5h,

    [​IMG]

    As a part of my PVC tubing solution, the little pond of condensed fog created at the mixing site does provide some amount of "washing" action inside the vapour path. It's only a matter of finding the proper adjudstment. No doubt the same could be done with glass...

    :peace:
     
  16. the old OZ guy

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    Hi Everybody, this is my first post and I'm trying to get some info re: vaping. I've been combusting since 1980 to 2010 and then went onto edibles to give my lungs a break, that was pretty nice but I got way too impatient waiting for the high to kick in so I recently bought a SSV about a month ago. I'm loving it but the last few days I've been getting a ''Really Deep" lung cough and was wondering if maybe I am doing something wrong with the vape.
    My sweet spot seems to be at about 11 oclock and the herb just ends up a toasty brown colour (but definitely not burnt), and I am getting loads of sweet vapour... Any help appreciated. Cheers:shrug:
     
  17. kingofnull

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  18. Roger D

    Roger D Vapor Wizard

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    Hi ! Welcome to FC !

    We all experienced this kind of problems
    First, slow down and breath more between hits. Start with the temp down a bit, pull it up progressively between a couple puffs, don't start straight at the max, exhale slower. Take smaller hits. You can also put less stuff at one time an chain two bowls, slowing everything down is the key. As a bonus you'll metabolize a lot more and you'll get higher.

    If you convert from combust you may be trying to puff thick hits like you've been used to be. Stop the cloud chasing ;) Try to exhale as little as possible

    Maybe your lungs are decontaminating from combustion habits or other air contaminants (thc is an expectorant), that can make the experience harsher, if they have been polluted before you'll cough more for sure. I remember at the beginning I used to cough like hell.

    If all that does not work enough try to plug a percolator with a lot of diffusion holes. Since I got my glass piece, I breathe better.
     
  19. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Salutations The Old OZ Guy,

    All right. Try this if you're desperate enough:

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    The principle is simple, it's all about the addition of moisture in just a sufficient amount to compensate for the dryness associated with cannabic vapour it seems. So, it turns out very little mist is required to affect the whole experience in a noticeable way... Of course, i'd much prefer glass accessories with a Mist Maker generating some animation, etc.

    But the bottom line is that it works, or at least that it does work for me to be exact. I don't know how, only that fog conditioning eliminates my urges to cough, for all practical purposes. In addition, my cannabic vapour doesn't get washed by water, though some "filtering" action is definitely occuring IMO. Last but not least, bags are a logical complement because their blending feature helps a little bit further with steady self-control during inhalation (since there are no abrupt content variations). Fog conditioning and bag filling really make a pretty good match as far as i'm concerned!

    You may want to experiment with it too.

    :peace:
     
  20. Roger D

    Roger D Vapor Wizard

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    Looking far better !
     
  21. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    You're being too generous Ca5h, at most it might compare to this in terms of esthetical value:

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    (Star Trek - Catspaw)

    Yet if fog conditioning won't do any good with coughing issues then i'm afraid nothing short of edibles can work!...
     
  22. Roger D

    Roger D Vapor Wizard

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    At the beginning coughing is mainly caused by "too much to handle in once" hits, and can be avoided this way. You can condition all you want, if you don't respect your lungs limit you will cough. I learned it the hard way, making myself cough and sneeze like hell

    Yeah, still ugly, but simpler > better. The way its working could be a really good idea for a glass design. It seems easy to maintain
     
  23. hoptimum

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    The only times I cough using Da Buddha is at higher temps. What dial setting are you using? Also, there's sometimes an issue with very small particles that come through the screen. Using a bong seems to help somewhat.
     
  24. Egzoset

    Egzoset 1SipAToke/Blender Vaporist (v3.1)

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    Fog Time!

    :D
     
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  25. farscaper

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    I have fits if i dont cool and moisturize my throat wirh a cool drink after a couple pulls on a vape... Keep a drink handy any time u vape and ull be able to cull the legnth of the fit to a minimum.
     

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