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Canada to legalize in Spring 2017!

Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by BioSector, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. splitz

    splitz Well-Known Member

    @biohacker - PM sent. Yes, Ihave been very happy with ABcann thus far.
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  2. biohacker

    biohacker Caviar Cannasseur

    That's great news, and thanks man. I just went ahead with my 2oz order of C-weed from THCD since i'm on a mission for the most natural meds possible. I WISH RedeCan Pharm didn't irradiate, because they grow not far from where I live in greenhouses, and their product is awesome and affordable. But I won't do gamma irradiation. I like my terpenes.

    ABcann irradiates? Very expensive!

    Thinking i'm going to go with Whistler. Tilray kicks ass too especially since their prices are better now, but they aren't organic (but at least they don't gamma irradiate).
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2017
  3. biohacker

    biohacker Caviar Cannasseur

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  4. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    You mean before July 18, 2018. You wish it was 2017. They have a lot to do to prepare beforehand. Best of luck Canada.
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  5. Chandler

    Chandler Well-Known Member

    Favourable?? Our dollar is shit!! $1 US = $0.75 CAD thats on a good day!! once you go to the bank to purchase US funds, it gets even worse! now is the time as an American to come over and spend!!!

    I wouldn't reccomend crossing the border with your meds. at least not until canada day 2018!
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  6. biohacker

    biohacker Caviar Cannasseur

    Haha yep 2018 CK! You're right I wish! Lol
  7. biohacker

    biohacker Caviar Cannasseur

    Bill to Legalize Marijuana in Canada to Be Officially Unveiled This Thursday
    April 11, 2017 | 674 views
    • CBC.CA reports. The new law will include penalties for selling cannabis to minors and for driving under the influence of the drug, along with funding for public awareness campaigns and rules on how the products can be marketed. The government even has a special saliva test ready that can be used roadside, similar to an alcohol test.

    • While it remains to be seen whether we’ll have U.S. citizens traveling en masse to Canada to get their hands on legal pot once it becomes available there, I continue to advocate legalization of medical marijuana in the states.

      Today, the majority of Americans support cannabis either as a medicine, for recreational use or both, and a 2013 survey found a majority of physicians — 76 percent — approve of the use of medical marijuana. Unfortunately, the concept of cannabis as a medicine has been overshadowed by the demonization of its recreational use, with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) continuing to list not only marijuana, but its oil (CBD), as Schedule 1 drugs alongside heroine, LSD and ecstasy.

      The truth is modern research has shown time and again that marijuana’s medicinal properties are real. It can treat insomnia, menstrual cramps, nausea, muscle spasms and even depression, as well as cancer, epilepsy, Parkinson's disease and Tourette's syndrome, and as a host of other diseases. In light of Canada’s latest move, it’s time for the U.S. to move into the current century and deal with this issue in a more realistic manner, so that those who want to use it as medicine, can.
    ----from www.mercola.com

    Saliva test? This is going to be interesting...
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  8. CheeseSandwich

    CheeseSandwich Well-Known Member

    My bet is that there will be a flood of "stoned driving" cases in our court system. Seems like they'll approach it the same as alcohol which doesn't make sense to me.
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  9. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    Can Sobriety Tests Weed Out Drivers Who've Smoked Too Much Weed? 4:38
    Can Sobriety Tests Weed Out Drivers Who've Smoked Too Much Weed?


      For decades the same test has been used to convict drunk drivers, but defense lawyers argue, science has yet to prove that flunking the standard field sobriety test actually means that a person is high, the way its been proven to measure drunkenness.

      Pedro Vera/Getty Images/EyeEm
      For decades the same test has been used to convict drunk drivers.

      Police ask a driver to stand on one leg, walk a straight line and recite the alphabet. If the driver fails, the officer will testify in court to help make a case for driving under the influence.

      But defense lawyers argue, science has yet to prove that flunking the standard field sobriety test actually means that a person is high, the way it's been proven to measure drunkenness.

      So, as attorney Rebecca Jacobstein argued to the Massachusetts high court, the tests shouldn't be allowed in evidence.

      In Ballot Measures, Pot Legalization Makes Strides

      "If there's reliable science, reliable science gets to come in," Jacobstein argued. "It's just that unreliable science does not."

      Prosecutors like attorney Michelle King don't agree. They argue that rapidly advancing science does prove field tests' reliability.

      "Three investigations have come to light and those are the most important for your honors to look at at this point," King said in court.

      What makes the stakes so high here, is that police have few alternatives; they do not yet have reliable roadside toxicology tests that can say for sure if someone's too high to drive in the way a breathalyzer or blood test can show if someone's too drunk.
    The above was from January 2017.
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  10. djelibebbi

    djelibebbi Active Member

    Buzz has it personal grows will be 4 plants, 1 meter

    One of Dana Larsen's fb friends laid this link on me, seems legit way to maximize your meter

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  11. poonman

    poonman Well-Known Member

    Toronto , Canada
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  12. biohacker

    biohacker Caviar Cannasseur

    Not sure how relevant that is in Canada? We're talking SALIVA TESTS here not FIELD TESTS. Huge difference in court.

    Gordon Downie will be happy! :tup:
  13. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    Is Canada routinely using the newer saliva tests already? I see they've been doing testing for a while and so has the states. It's not routine here yet. Limited areas are testing it out. They could very well be using the new saliva tests in your area.

    With marijuana legalization, a new problem sprouts: How to test for high drivers | Ottawa Citizen
    Ottawa Citizen › News › National
    Feb 4, 2017 - Canadian police are looking at finding a centre where officers can learn drug evaluation in Canada. ... Meanwhile, a saliva test will only give probable grounds that the subject has used drugs.
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2017
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  14. biohacker

    biohacker Caviar Cannasseur

    Q: Police are doing a pilot project on saliva tests for drivers suspected of drug impairment. Won’t a roadside saliva test simplify things?

    A: Not necessarily. The pilot project is looking at whether these tests can be used under Canadian weather conditions. The goal of the project is to determine whether the devices will stand up to the rigours of policing in Canadian weather conditions, said Jones. Seven police forces are using the saliva tests at roadside in the pilot project, including the Gatineau Police.

    The devices can be calibrated to “hit” on a particular level of THC – but that level has not yet been determined, points out Jones. Meanwhile, a saliva test will only give probable grounds that the subject has used drugs. They would still need to be seen by a DRE.

    The devices can be customized to test for a broad range of drugs, but as it stands they only test for the most common five or six, said Jones.

    “It’s not a panacea. If there is no hit, that doesn’t mean the person isn’t impaired.”

    The devices are also expensive — a saliva test can cost between $20 to $40 each, compared to pennies for a disposable mouthpiece for a breathalyzer test, said Beirness. Given the costs, it will be up to every police force to determine the most cost-effective way to use them.
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  15. just_the_flu

    just_the_flu they say im crazy but i have a good time

    in front of my screen
    ... the problem is still the government is focused on how they can generate money off offenders and taxes and not eliminate the black market. All prices I have seen have not been anywhere close to black market.
    People are use to going to their "guy" and if not competitive with price we will continue to go where we are use to.

    ... the medical I have seen is no better than what my "guy" has... the one guy I know with a medical license get from our "guy".

    ...if they want to legalize properly they have to eliminate the black market and then worry about taxes etc....

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  16. vbeazy

    vbeazy Well-Known Member

    I think it's bold to say their focus is generating money off offenders, especially considering the money it costs them in the prison, policing and legal sections. If a person offends, they pay.. it's prevention tactics. The tax money generated could go to many great things.

    While legalization won't completely eliminate the black market it will take a big bite out of it. We do have to be concerned about price increases over the years. I've seen both amazing deals and some highly overpriced product in dispensaries. The good thing is dispensaries compete with one another, to keep prices low. Over time they will attempt to raise prices, but unlike nicotine mary jane isn't a necessity.

    Just my two..
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  17. biohacker

    biohacker Caviar Cannasseur

    Legalizing pot: What to watch for in today's long-awaited bill
    Issues of cannabis-laced candy, drugged driving and where pot can be smoked need to be resolved
    By Catherine Cullen, CBC News Posted: Apr 13, 2017 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Apr 13, 2017 5:14 AM ET

    The federal government will unveil legislation in Ottawa today to pave the way toward legalizing recreational marijuana on or before July 1, 2018. (CBC)
    Canada is about to do something very few countries in the world have tried: make recreational pot legal.

    Today, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government will reveal precisely what it thinks legalization should look like, and there are a ton of fascinating and important questions that need to be answered.

    First, let's start with what we already know.

    CBC News has reported that the federal government will set a minimum age of 18 to buy marijuana, but will give provinces and territories the option to set the age higher. Where it will be sold and how much it will cost will also be up to the provinces to decide. The federal government will license producers and ensure the safety of the supply.

    CBC News has also reported that the personal possession limit will be 30 grams. Households will be allowed to grow up to four plants. There will be restrictions around how cannabis products are marketed and the government will use roadside saliva tests to determine if drivers are impaired.

    According to CBC News sources, the goal is to make legalization a reality across the country before July 1, 2018.

    But before that happens there are still lots of questions to answer.
    Legal pot is a big deal for a couple of reasons. On the one hand, a sin or excise tax could mean more revenue for the government, which Trudeau has suggested be funnelled back into addiction services and public education. But charge too much, and you wind up with a problem.

    As the parliamentary budget watchdog pointed out in its analysis of the fiscal considerations when legalizing pot, if tax is too high, buyers will stick with the black market. The PBO analysis points out that when Colorado legalized pot in 2014, it charged a combined tax rate of nearly 30 per cent. About half of consumers stayed in the illegal market.

    And if there is a sin tax, how might it be applied? That same PBO report notes that one option would be to apply it by weight or even based on potency (i.e. THC levels).

    What about chocolate bars and gummy bears?
    This isn't just a cute question. There are potentially serious public health implications. The chair of the government's cannabis task force, Anne McLellan, said that her group learned some important lessons about edibles from Colorado's experience.

    She said at first the state didn't require chocolate bars containing marijuana to be scored into individual pieces. Some people would eat the whole bar in one sitting and wind up in the emergency room, McLellan said.

    The concerns are even more serious when it comes to children, who could mistake some edibles, like gummy bears and lollipops, for candy. Children's Hospital Colorado has a warning on its website that the drug can have a stronger and more prolonged effect on kids. Many require hospitalizations.

    The federal task force recommended the government ban any cannabis products that could be "appealing to children," based on the products themselves or their packaging.

    Where can you smoke it?
    What sort of restrictions will the government put in place around where marijuana can be consumed? Should it be subject to the same restrictions as cigarettes? Or perhaps alcohol?

    The task force recommended that the restrictions around tobacco products should be extended to cannabis, and that jurisdictions should have Ottawa's blessing to set up cannabis lounges and tasting rooms.

    What counts as stoned?
    Police enforcement against drugged driving will be tricky. The federal government has been running pilot projects on different saliva tests that can be administered roadside to determine if a driver is under the influence. But the question is not entirely clear-cut.

    "Whereas evidence was gathered over many years to arrive at an established metric for alcohol intoxication — blood alcohol concentration (BAC) — these types of data do not exist for cannabis," the cannabis task force report notes.

    For some regular users, THC can remain in the brain and body for prolonged periods of time. But does that mean a driver is impaired?

    The Liberals have promised harsher penalties for drug-impaired drivers.

    "We are confident we will have an arrangement in place that will meet the public interest," Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale told reporters in Ottawa earlier this week.

    What about pot tourism?
    Trudeau has said he is legalizing marijuana in order to keep it away from kids and to cut profits to organized crime, but obviously, legalizing pot will have plenty of other consequences.

    What about Americans who want to come up for the weekend to check out Canada's beautiful wildlife and legalized marijuana?

    The federal government may be happy to embrace the potential financial windfall that would come with marijuana tourism. Officials could also try to repress it (or cash in further), by charging an added tax to tourists.

    The marijuana task force also recommended that tourists be informed of their rights and obligations, including not taking drugs across international borders.

    Can it be done in time?
    Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard said on Wednesday that proposing legislation is the easy part. The hard part, he said, is the work the provinces will still have to do — including on issues like distribution, marketing and road safety.

    Couillard said expecting that work to be done by the summer of 2018 is "very fast" for such a complex subject.

    Even medical marijuana companies that are anxious to start selling to recreation buyers aren't sure the system will be ready in time.

    "I don't think anyone should be expecting to buy recreational marijuana on Day 1," at least by going into a federally sanctioned store front, said Sébastien St. Louis, co-founder of Hydropothecary, a Quebec-based licensed producer of medical marijuana.

    "By the time we get around to knowing exactly how the provinces want to move forward it will probably take a bit longer than July 2018."

    (For the sake of full disclosure, it's worth noting that one member of Hydropothecary's board has held leadership roles in the federal Liberal Party.)

    Still, St. Louis said that even if the bricks and mortar facilities aren't ready, licensed producers will be ready to sell through a direct mail system right off the bat.
  18. CheeseSandwich

    CheeseSandwich Well-Known Member

    press conference is commencing momentarily.
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  19. elpolakko

    elpolakko Account Closed

    Hi guys,

    This is my first post here.

    I was listening to the press conference today where the government tabled its draft Cannabis Act.

    I went on to read most of the relevant parts both for cannabis use and cannabis accessories.

    I found it all a bit troubling and not as "liberal" as I expected it to be.

    First thing that jumped out at me were the draconian penalties for breaking the possession and distribution regulations;

    14 years is pretty much life. I don't know how this is any better then now.

    Also because this is a vape forum, vapes are lumped in with cannabis and sale, promotion etc. is severely restricted. Crazy stuff really. I understand the need to maybe keep it to folks of 18 plus but have a read on the limitations of anything vaporizer you'll see what I mean. You can't even trade or be fined up to something like 5 million bucks.

    I'm not very enthusiastic about this proposed legislation to say the least, I hope some of this will be adjusted to more reasonable levels.

    It smells to me like all of this has been drafted to keep huge corporate interests safe, and give them total domain on everything cannabis.
  20. biohacker

    biohacker Caviar Cannasseur

    Provinces can downgrade the 30g possession to less? This will be interesting to see how different provinces do things differently. I know they sell beer at Costco in Quebec.... :rofl:

    You think so to eh? ;) Welcome to FC bro! Nice first post! :rockon:

    Might be better to join in on the discussion here....maybe the mods can merge the two


    Modnote: What other thread? :whoa:

    Edit: WOAH! :o
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  21. CheeseSandwich

    CheeseSandwich Well-Known Member

    I'm not exactly pleased with the outcome but at least there's home grow. I imagine court cases will need to be won to make it any better.
    Welcome to FC @elpolakko :peace:

    @biohacker These Mods are messing with you bro.:lol: Crazy fast :nod:
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2017
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  22. elpolakko

    elpolakko Account Closed

    Thanks for the welcome guys.

    It will be interesting to see if the crazy hoops you need to jump through for a "legal" home grow will remain as is or they will get rid of this nonsense and just let folks grow without having a "permit".
  23. elpolakko

    elpolakko Account Closed

    From what I understand from the incoming rules, anyone is welcome to partake when in Canada (Meet the age requirement and whatever other stuff the provinces pile on), you just can't take any back with you or bring any into the country.
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  24. cannabis.pro

    cannabis.pro OpenCannabis Advocate Accessory Maker

    We need to educate the government on the truth about driving under the influence of cannabis, most importantly, that there is no happy test like there is for alcohol impairment.
  25. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

    Cop- to smiling driver after being pulled over ....
    if you are smiling go straight to jail! but, ...if you are on antidepressants then fine, please continue on?!?
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