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Canada to legalize in Spring 2017!

Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by BioSector, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. biohacker

    biohacker supercritical co2

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    And how will they enforce it? Fire department? (Prevention Division) The entire emergency services are getting an overhaul in the province of Ontario, perhaps responsibilities will start to include inspections, perhaps random, similar to smoke/CO alarm audits?

    Yeah no kidding, I don't condone driving stoned at all because i've seen devastating results personally, but tolerance is a huge deal here. And honestly, how often have you ever been pulled over for a breathalizer? Resources are practically non-existent...trust me on that one. At least here in southern Ontario.

    Exactly! How many people are on anti-psychotics that are so sedating that you're not even supposed to operate machinery. Where is the test for lithium or seroquel?

    Distracted driving kills.... it will always continue to be a crap shoot on the roads these days, and it's getting WORSE. I have escaped death numerous times due to fucktards blowing through red lights, stop signs, and just plain stupid driving especially because of fucking cell phones. Sorry, stuck a nerve.

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  2. Chandler

    Chandler Well-Known Member

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    THIS!^^^

    its retarted they entertain direct comparisons between alcohol intoxication and herbal consumption. The two do not share interchangeable effects/feelings that should be policed in the same fashion.... its like in order for them to make it legal, they need to uphold and incorporate some bullshit laws so the police system can profit off the whole thing as well. smh
     
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  3. Esoteric

    Esoteric Pot Head formerly Septon Sefton

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    Good on you Canada !
     
  4. biohacker

    biohacker supercritical co2

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    One makes you overconfident and the other underconfident? :rofl:

    Just curious, other than saliva tests, what else can be done? I personally would like to see ALOT more traffic enforcement in general, however most officers aren't even trained properly in drug recognition. And staffing is at an all time minimum.

    I do not many police services are going to be contracted out in the future, including certain traffic ops.
     
  5. elpolakko

    elpolakko Account Closed

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    They are rushing those cannabis breathalyzers through testing to production now. Problem with that is anything that is rushed like this doesn't have the proper testing done. So how reliable will those be etc.?
     
  6. biohacker

    biohacker supercritical co2

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    Like most things in life, nothing seems to be proactive, but rather reactionary.

    We're all guinea pigs in this big experiment, and what will happen if the neocons are re elected? More money down the drain?
     
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  7. Chandler

    Chandler Well-Known Member

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    Click to play YouTube Video
     
  8. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Canada's Recreational Marijuana Approach Is Pure Genius

    [T]hough a number of finer points of the bill are still being debated, one of its core components would be a very low sales tax rate on recreational cannabis. Why, you ask? Trudeau's primary focus isn't on revenue generation for Canada, so much as weeding out (pun intended) the black market in his country.
     
  9. MinnBobber

    MinnBobber Well-Known Member

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    Way to go Canada. I hate that most states look at adult use cannabis as a "cash cow/ golden goose" and stack on big taxes.....
    and then wonder why users keep buying from black market......duh????
     
  10. Chandler

    Chandler Well-Known Member

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    fellow canadians. speaking of recreational dispensaries, who are some of your vendors? i've been using Treemo, Farmacy Victoria, and Herbal Dispatch... i can't stop this addiction to strain hunting.
    Looking for some more great dispensaries with great product!
     
  11. mikek9

    mikek9 Vapor Enthusiast

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    Well to be completely FAIR, this is far from really new information was known for maybe 8 months or more before his November, 2015 swear in as Canadian PM. It has been discussed in many other various threads on here by me and others and it's surprising others didn't see it. I guess that happens with such large content forums.

    Trudeau has said from Day 1 of his campaign (pre-election so years ago now), actually from the day he released his campaign directive that this was their intention to snuff out the Black Market.

    Then the legalization task force was created to help create the framework based on recommendations from some research into the recreational markets in the US as well as input from various Canadian citizens from rec users to patients and their doctors and other health professionals as well as various government or non-government agencies like Health Canada, Law enforcement, Addiction Specialists and etc.

    The report was compiled November 30, 2016 and published on December 13, 2016. If you want to access it, follow the link below:

    http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/task-force-marijuana-groupe-etude/framework-cadre/index-eng.php

    In their report from 7 months ago Canadians all knew that they strongly recommended against any aggressive taxation of recreational cannabis as this will potential continue to drive a Black Market which they are trying to snuff out in the process.

    I really do love my country. Canada is so great.

    I mean we have had federally legal medicinal cannabis since 2001, way before any country even thought of it.
     
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  12. CheeseSandwich

    CheeseSandwich Well-Known Member

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    If the government puts the dispensaries out of business and only allow's LP product to be legally available to the masses I doubt the black market will go anywhere. Hell, it may even thrive as I would imagine black market prices will come down. Lp's have a LONG way to go quality wise in my opinion compared to the black market.
     
  13. ginolicious

    ginolicious Well-Known Member

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    I appreciate the vendors now that don't tax in Canada. Primarily all off them haha. Tax us up the ass and we will buy on the black market. I only buy in dispensaries cause it's right behind where I work. Haha.
     
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  14. mikek9

    mikek9 Vapor Enthusiast

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    The legalization task force has recommended a 4 plant limit for home growing as well as craft growing and etc. They will just have to register with the federal gov and submit to their standards which is a good thing because pesticides and other contaminants are rampant even in the legal markets of the US, until they caught up and started tightening some of the regs.

    Trust me, you should want a product as clean as Health Canada's demands require. We won't allow a presticide that doesn't have studies to show how it can affect humans during inhalation like the most recent crackdown on myclobutanil which is widely used in farming of edible crops and considered safe as well it has been pretty widely subsequently deployed in the medical and recreational cannabis industries.

    LASTLY, I'm quite sure the task force has recommended that we don't sell cannabis alongside alcohol and to make it available through various means such as the current secure mail order system in place and as well retail locations. But if a retail dispensary were to be legally allowed it would have to purchase its stock from legally licensed producers, not just the medical LPs currently in business. Even the bigger companies are buying up smaller craft operations going through the LP application process to add to their product lines and of course in prep for legalization.

    I was also told by a Tweed rep that their Main Street Stores that are currently just information centres are planned to be converted into sales outlets for recreational purposes. So if they spend be money lobbying the government to allow that, it will likely be open to others.

    FYI, the majority of the dispensary market is supplied by the Black Market. It is true that many sources are previous MMAR PPL or current ACMPR Home Production, but so many of these licensees actually abuse their plant limit for the purpose of diversion and that is not legally allowed (technically a Black Market as well) as well as many of those licenses have been obtained by criminal organizations with the purpose of diversion as well. They did this by getting another family member who is sick to apply for the license and then they don't even use it and designate a grower who then produces and diverts back to the Black Market.

    You can prove my point simply by googling MMAR criminal diversion and other terms and you will find all the cases of abuse. This was one of the primary reasons and arguments made by the federal government in their attempt to cancel the Personal Production Program when they created the intermediate MMPR program - alongside their argument of the destruction to property from things like mold and etc when a home grow operation is functioning, which the courts decided was alarmist and unproven.

    And AGAIN, I have been to a number of "medical" dispensaries and found some nice looking herbs, but with a nose put to it would have notes of various nutrients, clandestine mothball smells and even that disgusting fresh cut grass smell. Not to mention everything is vacuum packed and the outside trichomes are often destroyed in the process. Sometimes they have some truly nice buds, but not always.

    The only dispensaries that really seem to put care into the product they supply are the original ones like Toronto Compassion Centre and others who were the source for MMAR patients for more than 10 years before the MMPR/ACMPR system. This is likely as a result of having a solid connection and working relationship with their supply chains. They are likely buying from actual trusted and experienced growers who are still abusing their licenses, but at least produce quality and safe cannabis.

    The reason most of these new dispensaries, notably the chains, are likely buying from a true Black Market is because I believe there simply just isn't enough supply from the small growers previous supplying a much smaller market. So organized crime and so on has probably stepped in to fill the gap.
     
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  15. VaPurrDo

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    but they say they expect the supplies to run out when its legalized... personnally i think theres already more being produced in 2017 than ever before (licensed recreationnal growers are already growing, but surely their products are sold through the black market)

    if they really want to stop the black market they might have to sell for under 4$ a gram maybe im just dreaming too :D
     
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  16. just_the_flu

    just_the_flu they say im crazy but i have a good time

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    ...100%, right now IME 'legal cannabis' is more than black market for comparable quality... i can get an oz for $240 + 10$shipping ($250/oz) or i can go to my 'guy' and get an oz of comparable quality for $200...
     
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  17. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    This is a long article, so I just posted a link. It's worth reading if you live in Canada. It shows some of the dispensaries and how well they did far as molds and other contaminates such as bacteria, yeast and heavy metals - yuck! This stuff is good to know, who wants to get sick? This brings this to the attention and focus of the government in Canada. It shows cannabis needs some scrutinized oversight for the protection of the public health.
    CK

    Globe Investigation: What's in your weed? We tested dispensary marijuana to find out - The Globe and Mail
    The Globe and Mail › article31144496
    May 19, 2017 -
     
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  18. chimpybits

    chimpybits Well-Known Member

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    Premier Kathleen Wynne is cornering Ontario’s recreational marijuana market by restricting sales to 150 LCBO-run stores. Unfortunately, “illegal” pot dispensaries remain illegal. :disgust::rant:

    Toronto Sun: Liberals reveal Ontario's pot rules
    VICE: Everything That Is Wrong With Ontario's Weed Plan

    - For those that don't know, The Liquor Control Board of Ontario (LCBO) is a Crown corporation that retails and distributes alcoholic beverages throughout the province of Ontario. It is accountable to the Ontario Ministry of Finance.

    Let's hope other provinces do better. C'mon BC!
     
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  19. Tiny88

    Tiny88 Deluxe420

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    Right there with you... fingers cross.
     
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  20. chimpybits

    chimpybits Well-Known Member

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    BC Cannabis Regulation survey

    "To be ready in time for July 2018, we want to hear from you about how we can implement this is in a responsible way.
    We are asking for your thoughts on topics like minimum age, personal possession limits, public consumption, drug-impaired driving, personal cultivation and distribution and retail models. All of these changes will require careful thought to ensure the right balance is struck for moving forward. These changes are happening across Canada, and we want you to help shape the way it is going to happen here in B.C".
     
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  21. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    HOW CANADA FIGURED OUT HOW TO WIN THE DRUG WAR
    By Maureen Meehan June 08, 2017

    So close yet so far apart. The United States and Canada have so much in common—except that our current governments are from different planets, especially when it comes to drug policy.

    Examples: Lucie Charlebois, Québec’s Minister of Public Health, recently announced the opening in Montreal of two centers where people will be able to inject illicit drugs under a nurse’s supervision.

    On that very same day, our Attorney General, Jeff Sessions directed prosecutors to seek the harshest possible charges in federal drug cases. Why? Because “drugs and crime go hand in hand,” said Sessions.

    He’s wrong, of course, according to every academic study ever done on the topic.

    But Sessions, like every member of the Trump administration, refuses to use facts to bolster their outrageous comment and actions.

    In fact, violent crime is at the lowest levels it has been for the past half-century.

    Our shameful mass incarceration rates, the highest per capita in the world, have done nothing to lower crime rates, according to the National Academies Press.

    However, the lifesaving benefits of supervised injection sites have been confirmed, according to a study published in the British medical journal The Lancet.

    But Jeff Sessions is intent on restarting the War on Drugs.

    He is currently going after the highly successful legal weed industry, while drug dealers are getting fat and rich by adulterating the country’s enormous heroin supply with fentanyl, which has resulted in a huge uptick in overdose deaths.

    Canada, meanwhile, is trying something different. Harm reduction.

    This is a public health approach based on the idea that drug policies should maximize health and minimize damage.

    These are important issues for the U.S. and Canada, which naturally have overlapping drug markets and are both contending with drug-related public health crises.

    Not to mention we share a 5,525-mile border, the longest undefended international boundary in the world.

    Yet, the two countries have wildly divergent responses to these issues.

    Let’s look at Justin Trudeau’s government, which is basically decriminalizing drugs and encouraging supervised injection sites nationwide, expanding access to prescription heroin and legalizing recreational weed.

    The announcement of the injection sites coincided with the annual Harm Reduction International Conference held in Montreal in mid-May.

    Monique Tula, executive director of the U.S.-based Harm Reduction Coalition, told attendees at the conference that the Trump administration’s approach represented “a wholesale rejection of science.”

    “It’s completely regressive,” Tula said. “Utterly draconian policies, [there was] utter hysteria around the crack epidemic and the result then was to lock everyone up. The idea is if we put a dent in the supply then demand will go down accordingly. It’s not what happens.”

    Meanwhile in Canada, they’re planning for Happy Cannabis Day July 2018 as the government just introduced a suite of bills in the House of Commons.

    The legislation is called An Act respecting cannabis and to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, the Criminal Code and other Acts, which will legalize recreational marijuana consumption and sales in Canada. The government hopes to implement the legislation by July 2018.

    So there you have Canada’s philosophy for how to win the War on Drugs: Don’t start one.

    And here, on our side of the border, we have the drug warriors rattling their swords, chomping at the bit to fill up the jails by cracking down on an industry that has done nothing but render positive social and economic achievements.

    Like climate deniers, the anti-pot fanatics continue to reject science because it doesn’t fit their worldview.

    As astrophysicist and director of New York’s Hayden Planetarium, Neil deGrasse Tyson, says: “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.”
     
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  22. Tiny88

    Tiny88 Deluxe420

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    Just took the survey thanx for putting it up.
     
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  23. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    LEGAL POT: CANADA WILL SELL MARIJUANA IN LIQUOR STORES
    Nova Scotia, a province on Canada’s eastern shore, announced on Thursday that the Nova Scotia Liquor Corporation, its sole alcohol distributor, would sell the drug in its stores and on its website once Canada legalizes weed in July of next year.
     
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  24. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    All really depends on what happens with this case.
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...provincial-alcohol-purchases/article34893813/

    It would open up the provincial borders to ship alcohol or MMJ across Canada.
     
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  25. C No Ego

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    Virginia wanted to sell cannabis from ABC stores in the US a few years ago but the alcohol board actually still sees cannabis as competition of sells... and federally illegal with thc limits etc... it makes sense though as the stores are there and ready while the guy behind the counter cards for sales so...
     
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