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Best of the Firefly Vaporizer thread

Discussion in 'Best Of' started by Depav, Nov 5, 2013.

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  1. ShayWhiteGrow

    ShayWhiteGrow vAPEhOPPER

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    I basically maintain my Fly and Solo the same way. After use, while it is still kinda hot, I give it a wipe in the bowl area with a tissue after I dump and blow it out. Then I wipe the chrome quickly as well. I also lightly wipe the window. (not too hard because you can screw up the gasket here). Pressure on the window is not your friend:disgust:. With the solo I do a wipe while hot too with a tissue then I pop the glass piece into a tube from planet vape, no smell that way. I never get any particles in the channels of the Fly, but I would say after about a month I would take an iso wipe to the lid, bowl, and chrome, all of two minutes for a deep clean. :tup: The solo stem I soak overnight and its good to go. Both IMO are pretty low maintenance cleans:2c:

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  2. EveryDayAmnesiac

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    I guess that's going to depend on how much you're going to be using it.

    And let me say, I treat my Firefly with much less love than @ShayWhiteGrow :lol:

    For a regular ol' cleanin', it ain't much. If you clean it and maintain it regularly, then it's just a matter of a cotton swab and some ISO and some quick back-and-forth on the SS bits. You might need to do a little bit of light scrubbin' on the window, but speaking as someone who doesn't clean his FF often, it's still not much work or much time, once you do decide to clean it.

    I'm still not sure whether it worth cleaning under the screen more than once or month a so. :shrug:

    I clean mine about once a week these days? Back when I was using it heavily, maybe every 5 days or so, just to keep it looking nice. Lots of FF users clean it more often, and some get bothered by the debris that will accumulate on the window, but.... eh. I don't feel the need to clean mine until I feel the performance is being affected, albeit to a small degree.

    I'd say slightly longer than a Solo (depending on how long you soak the Solo stem), but not enough to make a difference.

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  3. MaxVapor

    MaxVapor The Professor

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    Had my FF for about a week and a half, and I have to say I am definitely pleased with the purchase. I have been trying various techniques for draw, heating time, grind, etc. So far I can get consistent small hits (measured by vapor production) with occasional nice medium hits with a bit more visible vapor. What I love about it is the flavor, easily the best of any vape my limited experience has encountered.

    Wish I had time for a more comprehensive review but work is being a beeatch. So instead here are some pics of it in it's new home along with a before/after shot of my abv. The little green box is an electronics component storage box with a flip up lid, it's embedded in the foam and I keep all the cleaning tools in there. Doob tube makes an excellent stash holder and the top doubles as a tamper and fits the bowl perfectly.

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  4. EveryDayAmnesiac

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    How many strains have you tried? I have found that strain affects the performance of my FF much moreso than my other vapes.

    Also, some people do grind it fairly fine (I know I sometimes do) and it works better for them. Might be worth a try, at least. I think the "official" FF advice is a "finger-tear" grind, but people in this thread all use their own approach, and plenty of them grind it down pretty well. Some tamp it down. Some pack it over the brim. Some use screens on the top. Try some diff. approaches and see what works for you, if anything. If nothing else, at least break the pieces up a bit more as your session goes on.

    With taking your finger off the button, again, some people do, some don't. I don't do this. I hit the button, wait about five seconds (some people wait longer) and start a steady inhale, the speed of which depends upon which strain of herbs I'm using and the number of hits I've already taken. Usually, it's a fast-to-medium speed. I think the more important part is steadiness though. If it's near the beginning of a session, I don't push the button any longer than 5 seconds or so after I've started my inhale, but I keep inhaling because there will be some leftover heat after you take your finger off the button.

    Yes, different techniques will yield different results at different times, again dependent on strain and at which point of the session you're at. For example, my first few hits tend to be faster and quicker to enjoy the flavor and low temp effects, then it'll switch to medium for both, then long and slow at the end, etc, as you'll want higher temps for a longer period when you get closer to the end of the bowl (although you may find the taste can suffer at this point).

    When you don't see vapor exhaled, are you still feeling the effects? Sometimes the FF vapor is light enough to not be seen without a good spotlight.

    You may have wasted your money, yes, but other people in this thread have been where you're at and bounced right back.

    :2c:

    Just hang around this thread for a few days and you'll hear lots of good advice that should have you up and running before too long.

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  5. fogbank

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    I get consistent results.

    1. I do not do a "preheat" button push - only push the button once on each draw.
    2. I keep inhaling long after I release the button.
    3. I grind fine (probably not as important as some other factors?).

    OK so here it goes:

    Load bowl. Push and hold button, start drawing after 8 seconds. Continue drawing with button pressed for 16 seconds. Release button, keep drawing. You should start to feel the vapor a little bit into your long draw.

    That's the first hit. Subsequent hits I hold the button for 4-5 seconds before drawing, draw for 7-8 seconds with button pressed, then a long slow inhale until I feel vapor. So I am essentially cutting my button time in half after the first draw.

    Toward the end of the bowl I increase the button press time back to about 16 seconds.

    As I have said before, for me the Firefly produces the bulk of the vapor after the button is released. Use the button presses to build up the heat in the core, then use the heat to vaporize the material. I barely feel any vapor production before I release the button.

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  6. Mynameismud

    Mynameismud But call me Alowishus Devadander Abercrombie.

    Didn't really read the other responses they were too long so sorry if I repeat anything...

    But here it goes...like you I was afraid of grinding too fine and hand ground or scissored my material... Didn't get great results so I went to a grinder (space case) 4-5 full turns and I'm good to go...

    Now loading, I dump in material so the bowl is a little bit over filled then wipe away the excess (kinda like measuring flour in a measuring cup)

    Place lid on, press button until I see a full glow and keep pressing and inhale slowly. I inhale so slow and light you can't hear inhaling and I get huge dense clouds. If you want tastier but also whisper clouds inhale faster

    Anyway that works for me so I hope it helps you

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  7. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    You know you have arrived safely in the Land of The Firefly when you ask a technique question and get three thoughtful answers from three regular posters who have had great success with the device and all three of them are different. Ask any ten FF users how they get results and you will get ten different answers. The truth is that everyone has had to arrive at their own mix of the four key variables (grind, amount of material, draw technique, button technique) in order to find their own personal sweet spot. You should try variations on all of these to see what works for you.

    My personal approach: Barely grind the material....PACK the bowl solidly to the rim...press button for at least four seconds, begin to draw....draw as fast as I can before I the natural resistance point, and no faster....let go of the button midway through...keep drawing for several seconds after releasing the button. I stir and iteratively grind every few hits, till I'm left with fairly ground stuff by mid-session. Towards the end, I'll slap a top screen on the bowl, which makes the final half-dozen hits neater, and raises the heat of the chamber which assists extraction in the final stages.

    Some general tips/observations...

    1. I cannot get good results unless I pack the bowl fairly densely. I feel like I'm not getting a decent thermal mass going without a dense load. (Others have had a different experience.)

    2. It takes a few hits for the load to get really warm and start releasing big vapor. This is similar, in my experience, to any convection vape.

    3. If I draw too slowly, hits aren't big. Unlike some portable vapes, I need to draw right up to the resistance point to get results.

    4. I never hit the button twice...hold, count four, draw, release mid hit, keep drawing. No need to re-press.


    You didn't waste your money, but you are still on the early part of the curve until you find the right balance of the key variables. Pretty much everyone has had to climb this curve, and they've always gotten results eventually. Don't give up!! :tup:

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  8. EveryDayAmnesiac

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    Sorry, brother, but I could not disagree more. I think the FF's flavor is actually underrated, and should be considered by all flavor-chasers as a superior option to even the Solo (even when used hamster style). IMO

    The flavor of the FF is what keeps me coming back to it. I reach for it more often than my Solo, and just as often as my HI, to get my flavor fix. Flavor is crazy important to me, and as soon as it's gone, I find it difficult to enjoy the herb whatsoever anymore. The FF helps me to get as much of that fantastic flavor as is possible with an electric portable, and that is the reason I would buy another FF if mine were lost.

    The FF has many outstanding features, yes, but to me, its flavor profile / signature is what ultimately makes it so luxurious.

    But to each their own. This thread has certainly shown there's more than one way to appreciate a Firefly!

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  9. Stu

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    I simulated a session with the FF but took no draws as a test. I wanted to see how much conduction and/or radiation was at play or if it was really using true convection. I even shook between "hits" to mimic normal use. My herb came out green afterward and I couldn't detect any degradation at all. I found this surprising as I had expected it to cook at least some.

    I have only done this once, so maybe I didn't lean on it hard enough.:shrug: I would like to hear the results of other FF users if anyone is game. It only takes a few minutes and doesn't waste weed. The only difficult part is forcing yourself to NOT take any draws during the test. ;)

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  10. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    Both of my FF's get cleaned after each day's use (I alternate them, so every other day for each). Basically every three full loads I give it a full iso wipe down and clean every surface. I get the mouthpiece clean by using a pick to get out any visible debris (and blow!), and get a paper towel damp with iso in there by rolling it into a small point. (You can kinda shove it into both the mouth hole and the little exposed top slot.) Honestly, you shouldn't need to remove the top plate to keep the mouthpiece clean...although regularly cleaning that part out, along with the rest of the exposed vapor paths, will make it a lot easier to maintain and keeps the airflow unobstructed.

    The screws on the top plate use the Torx 5 or 6, can't remember which one (I think the 6, and the 5 works on the port window assembly). If you get a full set you'll be covered. Just remember once you remove the plate, any malfunction that may occur when you re-assemble technically voids the warranty...and you will have to re-assemble the bowl/ceramic plate/metal plate assembly since it's held in place by the pressure of the top plate...once removed that assembly will move freely and you may have difficulty getting the pieces to re-align correctly.

    If you've never looked at the tear-down photos on this page, check em out before you proceed. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-firefly-vaporizer.11365/page-81#post-549916

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  11. fogbank

    fogbank Well-Known Member

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    I've been meaning to bring this up but kept forgetting...:)

    In the discussions of techniques to get vapor from the Firefly, have we ever discussed the time taken between hits? I know that @Vitolo has said he never stirs, only shakes, and so do I. I never open the lid during a session, nor do I pause between hits long enough to let the unit cool down. To me the Firefly is not a great "hit it once and leave it" vaporizer. A full session is required each time, with a few hits at the beginning to "prime" the thermal mass, followed by strong vapor-producing hits until it is depleted. It seems like the few times I've been interrupted, I wasn't ever able to fully recover and extract the remainder of the bowl efficiently.

    I'm wondering if those who have trouble getting good vapor from the Firefly are waiting too long between hits? Or they're removing the lid to stir the load, losing thermal mass etc...?

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  12. Volteric

    Volteric Well-Known Member

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    I received my unit back along with the free replacement lid. Having a little distance from the unit was a good aid to reapproach the FF with a "beginners mind" It's interesting how we all go down differing paths with varying results--most of which demonstrate how worthy this device is.

    I took some material and hand tore it. This time I didn't bother much with finely shredding it but really just hand tearing some little medium morsels. It worked like a champ and I realized that I get way better, smoother and more flavorful tokes if the material is really dry. So for me it's not just draw speed, baskets, top screens, grind and dryness of herb-but all of these variables and each variable in light of the others like Indra's Jeweled Net. Dry herb takes less preheat. Moist bud longer preheat. Hand tear less debris. Finer grind more debris but better flavor. I think the combinations of these variables lend to this device to be a steeper learning curve than anything else I've used.

    I ordered the Aroma Pads for the Herbalizer to try concentrates in the FF. I'll report back.

    @mckeen- I definitely notice the FF being less harsh on the lungs over the Pax. While I get better flavor hits with the PAX (first 3-6 hits on medium and the last 2-3 on high) it clearly is hotter on the throat and lungs. If I take flavor and the on the go stealth factor into consideration I still prefer the Pax, but for fast, less harsh, fairly reliable, highly effective medicine delivery system I prefer the FF. In short, for whatever it's worth for the upteenth time, I must have both devices for overlapping and differing reasons. This might explain why most of us have multiple vapes and are always lusting for new ones!

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  13. EveryDayAmnesiac

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    Your FF will turn off after (I think) 10 minutes of non-use. Maybe it's 5 or 15 I'm a little too drunk to remember but I think it's 10.

    IME, you won't notice any difference if you forget to turn it off or not. I don't believe anything significant is happening until you engage the button.

    The Mendo will probably be fine. Many of us Fireflys like a coarse grind, and some don't grind at all. It should be fine, but why not try a finger grind or a finer grind and see how it works for you?

    Welcome aboard! :tup:

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  14. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    Though mass itself isn't addressed, they do discuss the challenge of achieving the heat levels necessary without it "exploding in the user's face"...a challenge I assume is related to mass. In any event, this is well worth reading for any FF fan who may have missed it...

    http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/why-an-apple-developer-quit-his-job-to-invent-the-tesla-of-toking-up-read-more-httpwww-businessinsider-comsilicon-valley-vape-marijuana-tobacco-tesla-firefly-2014-2ixzz2tcw8p8z0/

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  15. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    I'm sure she was being truthful. They told me back in January that they had no immediate plans for a 2.0 version, and they were focussed on shipping and servicing the current device. (In fact the person I spoke to laughed heartily when I mentioned a 2.0 version.)

    On a related note, here's a must-read for FF fans. A photo tour of some of the stages of building the device. Far from comprehensive but pretty damned interesting.

    http://www.supercompressor.com/home/photo-tour-of-how-and-where-the-firefly-vaporizer-is-made

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  16. Volteric

    Volteric Well-Known Member

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    In case anyone was wondering what I mean by hand torn, loosely packed and overflowing the bowl. This is what has given me thee best results to date.*

    *Technique always subject to change and improvement

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    From here I will finger grind this down to expose more surface area....

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    2 more huge puffs/clouds....
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    I'd get 2 more puffs clouds from here and for me it's spent/cashed after that.

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  17. letter never sent

    letter never sent reckoner

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    Here are my very first impressions of the silver Firefly unit I just received:

    The packaging is very Apple-esque, nice presentation. The build quality of the unit is good. I like the size and weight of it in my hand. My only nitpicks so far would be that the heating button feels a little cheap for the price, and the battery door could close more securely. Also, the screen seems to move around easily, and there's a slight gap between the glass bowl and the (ceramic? stainless steel?) plate the screen sits on. This seems like a potential spot for bud to get stuck in, but I'll have to read up on the design more to understand better. The 45 minute charging time was impressive.

    I ground up .1g of Bubblegum to the same consistency I always use (medium fine from a small Space Case). I loosely packed it in the bowl and turned the unit on. I first held the button down for around 8 seconds to preheat the device, followed by a second button push where I waited a few seconds and then inhaled for around 10 seconds. I took 7 or 8 draws in total, slightly varying the amount of time I held the button down, as well as my draw speed, each time. I tapped the unit a few times throughout the session to promote even extraction. Does anyone think doing this could potentially mess with the heating coil alignment?

    Overall, I got solid clouds, and the flavor was good. On some hits, I think I pushed the button a bit too long for my liking, resulting in vapor that was a little too hot and a little too toasted taste wise. I did not seem to approach combustion temperatures at any time. The resulting ABV was pretty evenly cooked, and there was no charring. I'd say it was fairly similar in appearance to ABV from the Herbalizer.

    Perhaps most important is that the effects have been profound. I'm actually a bit too stoned for my liking right now, which is what would have happened if I took the same amount of hits in a row from my Herbalizer. I'm sure the unfamiliar vape signature is playing a role here, as well as the fact that I haven't used marijuana in nearly a week (I typically vape daily), but it's impressive nonetheless. It does appear as though the unit is utilizing a significant deal of convection, which is much more efficient than conduction IME. I wouldn't have been anywhere close to this high if I took 7 draws from my Solo.

    I feel like keeping the unit 100% spotless will be a challenge, as bud seems to make its way into all the little crevices in the bowl and lid. However, it'd be pretty quick and simple to wipe the unit down after each session. Is it no problem to wipe the device down with some ISO on a microfiber cloth? It looks like the magnetic lid features some sort of rubber (or is it silicone? either way, I'm hoping the material used is high temp resistant), so I wonder if getting ISO on that part could become an issue. For now, the brush works well enough for cleaning. I already use a similar brush that came with a beard trimmer.

    In sum, my initial impressions are pretty positive, and I'm looking forward to experimenting a bit more. Will report back.

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  18. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    1. There's an o-ring between the bottom of the glass bowl and the stainless steel plate; this prevents debris from falling onto the heating coil or inside the unit. If you brush very gently under the bowl you can keep it clean...be gentle and don't press on the o-ring. I personally like the Iolite Wspr 7 hole discs as a replacement for the bottom screen, but not everyone loves 'em.

    2. The seal is silicone and yes you can use iso on it but I keep it very minimal...just a slightly damp paper towel wiped very gently against the seal. Lighter, more frequent cleans are preferable to less-frequent, heavier cleanings...you don't wanna have to use too much iso or be abrasive on the seal.

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  19. EveryDayAmnesiac

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    The FF can definitely be used in this way. I do it all the time. You do need a little privacy though. Not for long, but a little bit. And maybe a stirring / mashing tool.

    I just keep a tool and a mini brush in my JyARz with my extra herbs. Always good to have a little extra, in case you meet a special someone who likes herbs...

    The FF CAN be carried around in your pocket and seem natural. But, as far as pants go, you need to be wearing pants that fit well, or be wearing a belt, due to the weight. Tight pants and small pockets would be a bad idea. Jeans, slacks, cargo pants, and track pants (tied up well) have worked okay for me.

    Since you're a low-consumption user, you would probably not need more than two batts, possibly one - although specific numbers would be needed to confirm, of course. I only ever need one battery, but I keep an extra in the car. Hell, I usually only need one bowl of 100 % legal herbs in my FF for the day.

    If you'd have access to electrical outlets, the external charger is a nice way to subtly charge up.

    It sure as shit ain't perfect for outside the home, but now that I've gotten used to those early flavor hits of the FF, I'm afraid no other portable will do, outside the home, for now.

    But I still strongly prefer using the FF at home instead, and am always actively looking for something to replace it for out there so that I don't have to endanger it by making it leave the house. The Elevape SV looks interesting and I might pick it up out of curiosity, even though I don't much care for its vibe.

    I hate to say it, but if you're looking for something to use ONLY out of the house, I'm not sure I'd recommend the FF. Maybe, but I'd look around first, for sure. And definitely read the entire thread. ;)

    Couldn't be much easier to clean. Can make it look like new, other than a few ISO streaks on the inside.

    The FF ain't the most portable, but with a couple restrictions, it can be a really great experience. It is certainly not for any on-the-go situation though.

    Sometimes I'll still "char" my material a bit if I get a really leafy piece of 100 % legal herb in there. Or if I forget at what point I'm at with the session. Rare, once you find your groove.

    I have a Solo and an FF, and I use them both every day. I would never use the Solo during the day, and I'd never use the FF to finish off my material at the end of the night. I use them completely differently. If I had to choose one, I'd choose the FF... and then buy some other vape that utilized at least some conduction. The Solo is a great vape, but for me... it's just a reliable tool. The FF, meanwhile, IMO, offers a much more unique vaping experience. And it just looks so fucking cool.


    It seems as though minor tweeks are continuing to occur.

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    Been using an FF every day since late December.

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  20. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    Wait, maybe I should make that six...:uhoh:

    Looks like my new Red FF, which worked like a champ for about 12 hits, has a very weird and very persistent issue. You can put a freshly charged battery in it, and by hit 3 it throws a red "dead batt" light about 18 seconds in. Toggle off, hit again, you get about 11 seconds of heating. Walk away from it for ten minutes and you get another 18 second hit before a red light appears. Take the same battery, put it in my Silver FF, and it works fine and continues for another 20+ hits. This with all three of my batteries and either adapter.

    I'm guessing there's something wrong with the circuit board somewhere causing the FF to mistakenly throw a red light and shut down even when there's plenty of juice. This is something that should've been caught in testing, but obviously wasn't. I have an email into Shelby. Poor woman, probably sick of hearing from me!

    The good news for Deja Vu and everyone else is that my disproportionate bad luck with FFs (track record now, two bad ones for every one that works correctly) is lowering the chances of you guys getting a bad unit. (The law of averages is killing me, but maybe it's in your favor now!) Must be my karma....I haven't really gotten upset or frustrated, I'm ok with the first gen issues, and I guess if FF has to nail anyone over and over again it might as well be their biggest fan. :lol:

    Too bad, because for that first half-session it was working better than any FF I've used so far. Hopefully whatever replacement I get will work similarly...they seem to have improved the product in places. Except for QC testing, I guess! Um, onward....:o

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  21. Trogdor

    Trogdor Vapinating the peasants

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    So I finally got off my ass long enough to go the post office and pick up the torx bit I needed. I decided to snap a picture of the lid disassembled while i had the chance, and once I'm all done grinding I can start trying to fit the lotus WPA into the hole.

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  22. EveryDayAmnesiac

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    Hello, fellow FF enthusiasts...

    Time for one of EDA's random FF check-ins.

    So, I worked close to 50 hours this weekend for my friend's catering company - which, I might add, is a little humiliating, considering my former / pseudo-current profession(s).

    ANYWAY, I worked all over this damn town. Country clubs, senior centers, private residences, and even at the home base where I cooked / prepared / "plated" / delivered the meals for the local jail. I swapped out the planned stale cookie dessert for fresh peach cobbler that day... :)

    My FF was with me, every step of the way - and I do mean EVERY step because it was virtually always in my pocket. And my external charger was pretty much always plugged in! :lol:

    And sometimes "honesty" is the most stealthy maneuver - I simply said I needed to recharge my battery and left it at that. No one said anything about it - not even the owners of the homes I was bartending at! Was so nice to just be able to swap batteries AND never have to recharge through the FF. No downtime.

    Although it was kind of annoying that I kept yelling out "I need three orders of Fireflies dropped!" I kept thinking FF meant Firefly, not french fries. :mental:

    So, if you are a lightweight user, you can really make the FF work as an on-the-go portable. Limitations, certainly, but it's not as awkward as some might think so long as you have some moments of privacy, and it sure is a whole lot of fun.

    And yeah, I made sure to wear a belt! :rofl: It's not too big or heavy in the pocket, but you'll sure know it's there... I even balanced it out by having a brush / stirrer and two JyARz in another pocket - one for ABV, which I brought home to finish off in the Solo. Efficiency! :buzz:

    And now that I've become used to the taste of those initial flavor hits from the FF ... well, you know.

    But I'm going to try, because my new ESV (Elevape Smart Vaporizer) arrives tomorrow! I will certainly be writing up a thorough review between these two high-profile portables. I imagine that there will be more than a few interested in any sort of FF vs. ESV comparisons from anyone - even me! :haw:

    Really, I'm just hoping the ESV works well enough so that I am able to keep my FF at home. I find it so much more enjoyable to use at home...

    After 8 months, I am still amazed that a vaporizer of the FF's size can create convection hits so quickly at such a great flavor point. Its initial flavor hits are probably the best I've had from any vape I've tried.

    And for the record, I would certainly like to try the FF through water, but as others have said, it's not really necessary. I don't think anyone in the thread has ever mentioned an actual NEED for water? Would be a cool accessory though, if not TOO pricey.

    -Firefly Fanboy #2 (I think @mitchgo61 holds the #1 spot ... ;))

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  23. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    Yes, the Iolite screen has a slightly larger mesh. If your material is finely-ground you may get a little more debris. If you use a coarser grind, it won't make a material difference. And it's mitigated by the ease of removal...you can pop the disc out easily after every bowl and blow out anything on the plate.

    Let's clear up a couple things though. 1. Stuff that falls under the screen or the Iolite disc is extremely unlikely to cause problems especially if you clean it out once in a while. There's a silicon gasket between the bottom of the bowl and the plate and it really keeps the vast majority of stuff out of the heater chamber. So don't worry about whatever may get under the screen...just clean it every few bowls and blow the crap out of there. Unless there's a break in the seal, that stuff isn't going anywhere but the steel plate.

    2. Some of us like the Wispr screens because they make it easier to clean via fast removal...the stock screens work great, but they are a little small, and the edges degrade with repetitive removal and eventually they don't work as well because they don't cover the whole plate as they get a little degraded. So for me personally I like the ease of the Iolite discs because I like to clean the FF daily, and daily removal of the stock screen was destroying it. To be clear, the stock screen, when in new or good condition, performs at least as well or better than the Iolite. And the Iolite will eat up some space in the bowl, a tiny but noticeable amount as Steama mentioned.

    If you want the best possible performance, a brand new FF stock screen is likely your best bet. If you want convenience for cleaning and removal, and performance as or nearly as good as the stock the Iolite is great. (Give it a try and see if you like it...if not, remove it, blow out the debris, put back the stock screen....) If you're worried about causing issues with debris on the plate, don't, it's designed well nothing should hit the heating coil.

    Now get out there and compare, so we can hear what you think. :lol:

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  24. maxe

    maxe Member

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    Ok, so I've had this baby around a month now and I've learnt a few things, many of you will know these things already but it may just confirm what we already know.

    First is we have experimented with a few things, sucking too hard on the FF just doesn't work and it also sucks the product into the 12 channels, which in turn blocks the FF and you certainly wont get big clouds when you do that! :(

    Best results we found were sucking long and slow and mixing up breath control up to resistance occasionally and breathing in through the nose then sucking again, being a didgeridoo player would certainly help with this technique IMO.:D

    I was into shaking the FF between hits after a while but I found this was blocking up the 12 channels, along with under packing the bowl also, this will hinder your ability to produce clouds, so I don't recommend it, definitely best to stoke after every hit or 2 I think.

    As for cleaning the FF I am yet to use the ISO wipes, I just use the brush to clean out the bowl, as for the lid best results are had just rinsing it off under a hot tap for 20 seconds or so, all resin will melt away and go down the drain and the 12 channels instantly unblocked, simple and avoids any mess.

    I woke up several times during the night extremely dehydrated and also early in the morning after heavy vaping the previous night, I recommend having a glass of water before you go to sleep, if not a couple whilst you are vaping wouldn't help either. :2c:

    Oh, and if you only have 1 battery like I do make sure you have a power point handy at all times. :p

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  25. Karmaesque

    Karmaesque New Member

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    I am still experimenting but sharing the following so far.

    I would also like to add that the FF is super clean due to the simple design. So far no combustion! After almost having it for 2 weeks I currently use it the following way:

    1) Medium/fine grind (more medium than fine)
    2) Fill it up a little over the edge of the bowl and press it very slightly.
    3) Keep the heat button for 7 sec on including a 3 sec inhale and then release (only during a cold startup.)
    4) Press the button again and start drawing ever slightly (like sipping tea) but constant. You will discover that you can feel the resistance and ideally you should find a constant easy and long inhale with no resistance. I inhale for 30 sec (this where it automaticly switches off and results in big hits) and continue for another 5 sec. Before inhaling I take a couple of breaths.

    I get a total of 5 or 6 hits in total (based on my current extremely low quality and dry stash) with a quick shake in between.
    1st on is the tastiest with least amount of visual vapor
    2nd and 3rd produce the biggest visual vapours and stay tasty
    4th, 5th and 6th slowly reduces vapour. Taste also reduces.

    This gets me over and above the place I need to be so usually I divide this into 2 sessions.

    Going back to the experiment! The sacrifice one has to make...

    Q: Does a big vapour hit represent a good quality vape method. Or is less vapour a good indication? Do I want to bring the temperature as high as possible without combustion or should I discover lower temperatures in order to extract something else? Any general rules for this?

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