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Discussion in 'Best Of' started by Depav, Nov 5, 2013.

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  1. Depav

    Depav New Member

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  2. marduk

    marduk daydreamer

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    To me it looks like the heating element is right behind the "grill" on three sides and the air flows through those openings into and up through the bowl.

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    I couldn't find where they say they're heating the bowl directly. I did find info on their Pinterest link which says explicitly that it's convection. Hopefully this is not outdated information. On the downside, it seems like they won't have adjustable temp control, just one fixed temp of 400F. So you'll have to control your actual temps with speed and length of draw...

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  4. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    Some quick initial first impressions after one session....

    1. Learning curve not all that steep. Vapecritic overplays this i think. Fill, cover, hold in button....that's really it. when you let go, how long you hold, all that's part of the curve but it doesn't take long to get big hits.

    2. Hits...got big clouds, small invisible tasties, and all the grades in between. Again, just a matter of holding/releasing the heat button and your draw.

    3. Vapor quality....excellent. Clouds taste more toasted than smaller hits, natch. The smaller hits taste great. Frankly maybe not quite up to Solo level, but if Solo is a 10, this is an 8. (Put the VB2 at 5, say.)

    4. Size. It's heavy, i guess. nothing that would prevent you from taking it somewhere. It's eminently portable. Feels solid and quite elegant. Don't worry about the magnetic lid coming off...it's not all that easy to pry off. can't imagine it coming off in your pocket.

    5. It does seem a tad messy. Material comes out and the lid and top inside surface have bits of material on them right away. easy to clean, though, it appears. (no idea how to replace the screen though...if anyone has any wisdom on that, let it roll.) EDIT: Found the screen replacement info in the cleaning guide PDF linked from the Firefly site.

    6. Heat...thing gets warm, but not really hot. I was touching the shiny metal surface of the inside top, right about the heater, within 15 or 20 seconds of letting off the heat button...and it seemed coolish. So the heat dissipates right quick.

    7. Battery life...no idea yet. More later when i get a handle on it. Basically did five or six draws and had to stop, so we'll see where the batt goes from there. EDIT: Yep, batt life isn't great. Died on me at the beginning of second bowl, maybe 20-ish long draws total. (To be fair i was leaning on the heat button pretty hard much of the time.) It does fully recharge in like 40 minutes so i'm gonna try to catch it at the 30 minute mark so it doesn't top off and see how long that charge lasts me.

    Overall, fast, short learning curve, excellent functionality, a little messy so far but no big deal. More later, looking forward to hearing other impressions. But i'm very happy i got it, after one hour. (Too soon?:lol:)

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  5. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    But wait. The story isn't over yet. Minutes after typing my last post, i get a call from Sarah C at FF. She says "i spoke with my manager. He wants to get your old unit back ASAP so they can test it..." So she says they will send me a postpaid mailing label so i don't have to pay for shipping.

    Great news. And then it got better. She said they have already overnighted me a brand new unit which i should have tomorrow or Wednesday at the absolute latest. I could not have been more happy or appreciative. So, defective unit or not, and whatever may happen with the next unit, FF have a customer for life in me. Nothing bonds me to a company like great service.

    And then while i had her on the phone, i figured i'd ask her about using a top screen (since after all she's the "service" person.) She said "well, the product is so new that we currently don't recommend any usage apart from what we suggest. However, you can try it, we don't have any reason to think it causes a problem, and it will NOT violate your warranty." Music to my ears. Then, quite amusingly, she said "you can try checking out that website "F" combustion.com...i don't wanna say the name, it's a swear word. The folks there always have great tips." Yes, thanks, familiar with it. :ko:

    Finally i told her The Vape Critic, who seems to have the only current video review of the FF, mentioned trying a top screen to minimize spillage. She cracked me up with "oh the Vape Critic said that? Probably a good idea then. we love the Vape Critic...after all, he's...The Vape Critic!" Too funny.

    So bottom line, great service, new unit on the way, hopefully better results starting tomorrow. Will let you all know what happens.

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  6. VaPeD&CoNfUsEd

    VaPeD&CoNfUsEd JoDa Glassworks Glass Blower

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    Ok. It charged incredibly fast. Taste is great. Inline with the ascent and solo. There's definitely some technique required. Draw speed seems to play a really big role here. Draw to hard and the heater can not keep up. I'm very medicated but wasn't getting giant clouds. It really does have a mflb feel to it because it takes technique and you can give it a shake torn stir the herb. These are my impressions so far off of one session with blue cheese. I will be trying several different strains and grinds throughout the day and reporting back. I am somewhat impressed so far but would like to start seeing some clouds like the vape critic was getting. I am an admitted cloud chaser and flavor whore! Lol

    modnote: back to back posts merged.

    Ok my lackluster clouds were totally strain based!!! It must've been because of that sticky icky blue cheese cause I just put in some of my very cured lemonhead in it and it was cloud city! I mean wow! It'll hang with any of the big boys as far as portables go. The vape critics preheat technique is spot on actually. So far so great!

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  7. Necrosan

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    Just ran another 2 bowls through it _without_ the top screen and had no issues.

    Not 100% sure here, but here is my theory with the combusting:

    By design it looks like with a full bowl + the lid on even if packed down the herbs will "expand" (move up) and not be packed as tight near the element due to the extra air space added by the top lid.

    My thoughts are that with the screen in place + a full bowl, there is no room for the materials to move around because of the pressure from the lid being placed on top of the screen and this combined with the preheating is cause for issue.

    Not sure if this is messing with the temperature sensor or if the packed herb density itself is the issue or what exactly is going on.

    Have any of you had issues with combustion _without_ using the top screen?

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  8. VaPeD&CoNfUsEd

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    The only thing I find by loading more is that the first couple hits are tastier and thicker. Beyond that it's just a few more wispier hits towards the end of the session. So to me the difference isn't substantial enough to merit using 2-3 times the amount of herb that I'm now currently using.

    Now that I've got my tech pretty much down I took another run at my blue cheese (always has been my favorite strain and always will be no matter how old school it is there's always at least 1 in my garden every run). Anyways, I will say that this thing is most definitely capable of the "couch lock" end of the spectrum. This vape really seams to bring out the most in a strain. If it's sativa dom ur gonna feel it in the head. If it's indica dom ur gonna get that body high.

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  9. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    With FF#2 i've tried to follow a consistent approach, one that's similar to how i vape in other units. I fill the bowl (maybe .2ish g) with medium grind material. After a few hits i stir, in the process doing a bit of manual grinding, and re-compact slightly. I find a loose pack in this vape is super-messy right from the first hit, so i like to keep tamping down the load as i go. this has minimized the need for a second screen and given me an even cook. (I personally haven't seen hotspots per se...I did see them in FF#1 when it combusted a few times, usually in the center and bottom of the load....one of the things that made me think the top screen wasn't the culprit.) I don't find, so far, any issues with results based on a more dense load.
    The whole session is an iterative process of draw, draw, draw, stir, grind a little, re-tamp a little, repeat. For me a successful session is being left with a tiny amount of very dark powder, rather than any significant amount of usable material. Call me compulsive. :) With practice i am getting closer to being able to achieve this fully-baked approach with the FF. I'm not completely there yet, and given the temp range, it may not be possible to reduce the material as thoroughly as i can with the Solo or V Tower. (Worst part is the last 1/4 of the session can get messy due to the ever-finer grind that results.)

    I do think Necro's issue sounds identical to mine with FF#1, and i'm positive mine was some kind of malfunction. A properly functioning unit doesn't lose control of its heat so easily and arbitrarily.

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  10. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    You should re-read this thread from page 9 or so and you'll get a lot of good tips. My approach: fill the bowl with medium grind material, and compact it lightly. This'll minimize material coming out of the bowl. Turn on the toggle switch. Hold down the heat button for a precount of 4-8 seconds. begin drawing, slowly and steadily. Let off the button halfway through your hit. Don't re-press the heat button after you release it (once I release the button I will not press it again until my next hit). This first hit will be light...your second hit will be stronger. Keep your hits slow and steady and you won't suck material out of the bowl.

    Give it a few tries...it might take you awhile to get a technique going. The FF is an excellent unit...once you find your rhythm with it you'll get great results.

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  11. fizzy1000

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    I thought I would share my initial impressions of the FF after using it for a few days. I've been using and experimenting with various herbal delivery devices for around 40 years or so, and have tried more than a few vaporizers.
    I really like the feel and weight of the FF, very substantial and comfortable feeling while holding. Loading and stirring are easy enough, as others have stated a medium grind seems to work well for me. The initial few hits deliver the best tasting vapor I have ever had the pleasure of experiencing from any device I have used to date.
    After 3 or 4 draws I stir and re-pack, at this point I have found the FF wiil combust if I hold the button down, release and then hold it down again too soon. Not a major combustion of the whole bowl, but small pieces will ignite. I can't really taste the burnt flavor much, but the evidence is in the remains. I can also detect small burnt spots under the screen. This has happened 3 or 4 times out of a dozen sessions or so.
    So what I have found what works best for me is to use the FF for 5 or 6 great tasting draws, then use the remains in my Solo at a higher setting to finish off the herb without the minor combustion worries.
    I have been getting 3 or 4 sessions per battery cycle and the re-charge takes a little less than an hour or so.
    The FF to me is a welcome addition to my collection and will be my vape of choice for that initial bowl, the taste is absolutely wonderful on those first few pulls.

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  12. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    I can only speak for myself, but the combustion i experienced with my first unit appears to have been a malfunction of that specific FF. I've used my second one for a week, and no matter how hot I get the unit, or how dark I toast material, I haven't seen any combustion. (And given the stellar service FF seems to award its customers, if you *do* have a problem, rest assured they'll fix it fast. They seem obsessed with ensuring their early adopters have a great experience.)


    1. Screen stays pretty clean, if you brush out the dregs of your material. I can't envision having to change it anytime soon.
    2. As noted, battery life isn't stellar. But I can get 25 LONG draws off one battery charge. If you are hitting it solo for small sessions, you'll be fine.
    3. Works fine with small amounts around .1 grams.
    4. It can get somewhat messy at the tail end of a session when material becomes more fine, but with practice you can keep it cleaner. SUPER easy to clean. Two surfaces that can be wiped with iso. That's it. The entire vapor path is exposed when you open the lid.

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  13. Vapologist

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    I don't recommend going against the manufacturers advice. Seriously. But if you find yourself in a pinch, and only have 100% cotton and concentrate, and you layer it p-e-r-f-e-c-t-l-y so that it can be absorbed above and below...

    WHAM

    It took a long first draw before everything was melted and really ready to go; on the extended second pull, it was fantastic.

    My unit is working great and I found the learning curve to be quick, so I felt comfortable with giving it a test. I thought there was enough gap between the elements and the screen that it
    shouldn't be a problem. That being said, putting cotton that close to those elements was DEFINITELY not what the Firefly was designed for.

    So as such, I don't recommend using it for that purpose. Everyone will make their own decisions, but at the very least if something leaked down there where the sun does shine, you will probably ruin your device and warranty. And I like my lungs... I don't know what cotton tastes like and I sure don't want to ever find out. I'm happy it worked, but I probably won't do it again; it could go south too easily. Seriously folks, think about the downside - bad. Really bad. Is it worth it?

    Like Sticks said...its super
    convenient, works, and WOW. The reality is that sometimes we all need to MacGyver things, and its nice to know that if called upon in moments of dire need, and you have full mastery of the unit, it will deliver. Like a velvet hammer.

    Lets hope this is just the first in a line of different models.

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  14. mitchgo61

    mitchgo61 I go where the thrills are

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    This is interesting. I've been curious about this rubber material, and a little wary of it. It's essential to forming a seal, in some ways it's kind of the glue of the simple genius of the FF, and yet the most vulnerable part. We don't yet know how these things will fare over the course of months of heavy use. That seal, and however it's held in place, have to be very resilient.

    As for cleaning, I would be circumspect in my use of iso on it, and have kept it pretty conservative and gentle. However, if you haven't seen the Cleaning Guide PDF, look at page 5. They show the seal being wiped directly with one of their iso wipes. Seems like an explicit OK to use iso on the seal.

    http://www.thefirefly.com/skin/frontend/default/firefly/doc/firefly_cleaning_guide.pdf

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  15. mckeen

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    Thank you!

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  16. mckeen

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    Sarah C. has sent me all the Fed X return stuff and she asked me not to use the iso wipes on the new unit, when I receive. I think there may be an issue with the glue and the seal itself. The adhesive stuck perfect to the plated steel surface but did not stick well to the seal itself.

    "So did they have anything to say about it other than it shouldn't have happened?

    So are you are saying that your overheating the device caused it? (was it just the one time ?)

    Sarah said not to clean the lid?

    Do you now have a better idea of why it happened, what caused it and how to avoid it?

    Thanks",

    They said it absolutly should not have happened. I only overheated the devise once. Sarah asked me not to use the iso wipes on the seal of my new unit. I think the adhesive is not sticking properly to the seal. Just be very gentle bacause once the edge starts pulling away it won't stop.

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  17. TimeCapsuleMonkey

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    I wanna share an update. At the time I made this review I found the FireFly hard to take a good draw from. Now since experimenting with a new technique described in earlier posts, I have been getting good draws without a ton of effort and it feels a bit better to use. More in line with the vapor the Pax produces but each inhale is stronger and tastes better.

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  18. mitchgo61

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    Exactly. Thanks for codifying. People should find a technique that works for them...I'm just trying to mitigate the (ever-increasing) ambiguity on how it's *designed* to be used, and the risks of certain approaches.
    You are correct, the podcast didn't mention it. But I have emails with detailed usage instructions from both of the founders/designers, which is where my "this is how it was designed" perspective comes from. Once I started following their detailed advice, I got much better, more consistent results. Perhaps they should publicly share the stuff they sent me in mail, but since they haven't, I'm trying to share what they told me here in FC.

    Yes, in the early stages of a bowl, you can absolutely pull thick bong-like clouds, if you wish. More heat+longer, slower draw=bigger clouds.

    I have described my drawing approach several times in this thread, but to summarize....

    1. Press heat button. Wait 4-6 seconds. Enjoy looking at the glow.
    2. Make a seal around the mouthpiece. Draw SLOWLY and GENTLY like you are "sipping tea" as they say with the MFLB. (though you don't need to draw that gently, in my experience...just a steady, EASY draw.)
    3. Let off the heat button somewhere during the draw. Keep drawing to carb out all the vapor and air after you release. Don't even THINK about pressing the button again till the next draw.

    How long to draw? You have to experiment. I can usually feel how big the hit is midway through, which is where I let off the button. I then continue to draw to finish the hit.

    Keep at it. Experiment. You'll find a technique that works for you. It'll just take a few days.

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  19. steama

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    You only want a Firefly if your are after the finest vapor. If not you may want to skip it.

    No screen on top but I made a conscious decision to pack the bowl a bit firm (first and only time doing this). I know my packing caused combustion FOR ME because it was the only way I altered my pattern. I am a ritualistic type person when I get my technique down so I know which way is up should a problem occur. My FF is great. It was my actions — packing — that caused the combustion.

    Try this. Just put your stuff in loose but fill the chamber. Forget about any pre-heat and that stuff.

    Push the button and when the glow is orange start taking your draw. If you feel a lot of pull and resistance you are drawing to hard. Mid-way through you can release the button but continue to draw to finish it off.

    The first hit will be light and flavorful, the second hit will come on strong and be heavier and the third hit can be what you want.

    See page 9

    mitchgo61 has some excellent posts on this subject.

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  20. volcanotips

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    Long time lurker, first time poster. My previous vape credentials are an 8 year old Volcano Classic, used heavily daily and still going strong, a Plenty, and 2 MFLBs for travel.

    I fell in love with the Firefly marketing and splurged for it after a few too many Volcano bags one night. I ordered the red, and the extra battery and charger kit.

    I've had my cherry red Firefly for a week now, and just took it on a short trip.

    The Vapor
    Awesome. By varying technique you can get whatever type of vapor your heart desires. It seems to be very efficient and extracts impressively. I hold the button down, wait for orange glow and start slow long draw, letting off the button about half way through.

    The Unit / Build Quality
    This thing is a Cadillac and will turn heads wherever it goes. The fit and assembly are excellent. It's heavy in the hand. The magnetic lid snaps shut strong and authoritatively. Ergonomically it leaves a little to be desired for.

    Using the Thing
    I'm filling the chamber just up to the rim with loose medium grind material and stir occasionally with a toothpick. I do wish I could shake it like the MFLB but the chamber is just too small on this. I find that material gets stuck to the porthole on top and it seems this will require more frequent cleaning. If I was planning on using this for all my vaping needs, I think keeping it clean and tidy might get old fast.

    Battery Life
    Excellent. No complaints. Although the bar was really low for me after using peeled re-chargable AAs in the MFLB. I really like the perfect fit of the battery. It's a shame you can't use it tethered to the power adapter. That disqualifies this as a traveling party piece.

    Customer Service
    They were obviously a little overwhelmed, and I was disappointed when my pre-order hadn't shipped and yet they had units that were shipping out. I got a reply within a few days by email that they had run out and my order was shipping soon, and it did and then arrived quickly. I've now been waiting a week (albeit with holiday time in there) to find out where the accessories I paid for are... and have gotten no reply for a week, which is a little disappointing given the accolades by others in this thread.

    Bottom Line
    This is a very nice and capable portable vaporizer, that to me is everything I wished the MFLB would become. This will definitely replace the MFLB as my go to travel piece and supplement the Volcano occasionally. The product design is beautiful, and the construction seems built to last.

    Would I Buy It Again?
    In a heartbeat. Just wish they'd send or acknowledge my missing battery and external charger.

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    I needed to RMA my firefly (#0014). The view-port gasket was protruding (pic) out of the box and quickly came dislodged. Sarah C immediately took care of it. Don't worry about the rejected emails - IT issue on their end. Try using the live-chat feature during PCT hours.

    As for the firefly, I love it, can't wait to get it back.

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  22. ShayWhiteGrow

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    Ok gang I experimented with different load sizes and packs and here is my take on it:
    I overfill the bowl a little and use a chapstick cap to tamp it down (sort of like my packing technique with the Cera) Not too tight, but a firm tamp nonetheless. While leaving the cap on top of the load I blow off any particles out from around the bowl. I then put the lid on and go to town. I found that with this technique the load does not shift around and no stirring is needed. The bowl will definitely last longer too, for the cloud chasers as well as the taste connoisseurs. The load drops out like a puck and is evenly brown throughout. This also keeps the glass window and vapor paths surprisingly cleaner then a small load. The smaller load works well too just a lot more particles get gummy and stick to the window. Just personal preference. I like SLIMS suggestion about a hot wipe with a hankie if handy and also I take a qtip out and swab out the glass window while warm to and this works great! The Firefly definitely has my solo and ascent on the shelf for now and has turned my Cera into strictly an EO and wax machine:razz: Man I've been waiting for this one for a long time! :nod:

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  23. steama

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    Combustion is not a Firefly problem in my experience.

    I had 'a' case of combustion but that has been proven an anomaly to my satisfaction. I think that in order to get the Firefly to combustion you must do a few things together. Also during the event I did not experience much if any heat at all only a brief moment of smoke then you quit of course. There was no raging inferno.

    Combustion Steps

    1) have a fine grind with some as fine as dust
    2) do a firm pack
    3) an ultra slow or pulsing very long draw.

    Then the Firefly may catch fire for you.

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  24. EveryDayAmnesiac

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    I too have been experiencing extreme smoothness with the Firefly. I was a bit worried when I ordered about that but at this point the hits are so smooth that I am continually surprised by how much vapor comes out of me. I've been hitting by a spotlight because I was convinced at first that I wasn't getting any vapor, but I'm getting plenty.

    The only time I have "felt the heat" from a hit is if I REALLY go for it or if I push the heat button a second time too quickly.

    The first hit from a cold start can be a bit underwhelming, for me. But with a little technique I've been able to just hit it once from a cold start and feel medicated enough for social situations. But I tend to go for two or three since I can hit it so quickly again without making as big a smell as two or three hits will cause by me when using the Ascent.

    I still love my Ascent, especially for nighttime knockouts through water and for sharing with friends, but the Firefly is definitely my go-to portable with the Ascent as its backup. And I have no qualms with shelling out more money for an external charger and a couple extra batteries.

    The Firefly sure ain't cheap, but it is goddamn luxurious and worth every penny, in my opinion. I fucking love this thing. I just wish I had chosen the red one... :(

    I am also getting better results with a little tamping down!

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    The gasket on the herb lid is fairly rare so not 'everybody' will have to deal with it. Just don't clean it with a bunch of wet iso that would drip in the seams. I would call the seal a non-issue for most.

    The battery is great imo. I can get over three bowls per charge. I have no idea on the rated life in hours but I can tell you the people that designed the Firefly cared a lot about the battery too. I am willing to bet it is of the highest quality. You can see how much the designer of the Firefly cared in its design and there is no reason that care would stop at the battery.

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