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Advice on low draw resistance vapourizers

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Resolute, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. Resolute

    Resolute New Member

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    Hi fuckcombustioners,

    Nice to be here!

    About to buy 1 or 2 Vapes, I could do with a little targetted advice rather than hearing several completely different views about the same products on youtube. It's like when you ask the quality of a product, and someone says "Yeah, it's great" (!) which tells you absolutely nothing. Is it fruity, herby, piney, cheesy etc etc. Apparently, nobody cares about the taste anymore when reviewing, but this forum is so detailed I thought you guys could help me...

    I liked the look of the Inhalater XP because I am looking for a Vape with no, or very little draw resistance, but I don't want to compromise on taste.

    I have a Volcano Classic, which is great, but, after nasal operations, I find it very difficult to use now, since you have to push the valve against your face for it to work (yes I will get the easy valve at some point but not much different).

    I heard the Inhalater XP is not so good on taste. Could anybody be a bit more specific as to what the taste is like?

    I know there is no draw resistance, so the Inhalater XP ticks every other box for me (other than that *** sticker!), but just need to know about the flavor, and ps, how do you post a poll on here??

    Thanks guys
     
  2. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    I love my XP... but there surely is some draw resistance.
     
  3. pakalolo

    pakalolo RoboMod v3.17 (ticking) Staff Member

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    I moved your post to Ask FC because it's really not XP-specific, and I think you'll get more input if it's posted here.

    What vapourizer experience do you have? The FlashVAPE provides excellent taste with low draw resistance, but it can be tricky to master for someone with little experience.
     
  4. hiphiphooray

    hiphiphooray Well-Known Member

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    I am a current XP owner, and the XP has virtually no draw resistance. Although there are small holes that allow airflow that can be plugged to restrict airflow if needed (many users find that restricting the airflow produces larger, thicker, clouds of vapor).

    The XP is great with flavor if you are fine vaping at low temperatures. From settings 4-6 you get great taste, each different in their own ways. If you go up to 7, then you will find that the taste is enjoyable, but quickly goes away. For an entire session of good taste you really should stay around a 5 or 6.

    That being said, many users are not satisfied with the quality of vapor at lower settings like 5 and 6. While you will still certainly be medicated at these temperatures, the effect is not as intense as it is at the higher temperatures. Running the XP on 7 or 8 will produce massive vapor clouds, which is what draws all the attention to the XP.

    However, these massive clouds of vapor are only tasty for the first 2 hits, and quickly go downhill. Thick vapor will continue to be produced for a long while, but the taste isn't there and the vapor is very hot (not really harsh, but hot). I find using a long tube or water filter for the higher temperatures makes them very enjoyable (it makes it cooler on the throat), but the taste still isn't great.

    In my personal experience, I have found that I start at about a 5 or 6 and enjoy the taste for about 5minutes or so. Then I crank up the temperature and get some large rips before the taste goes bad. My friends tend to enjoy the higher temperatures more, as they are amazed at the fact that they are able to do smoke tricks from a handheld vaporizer. If I'm really out to impress, I'll load an entire bowl of kief and start off at a 9, take a single hit, and then drop down to about a 7. This will yield tasteful and massive rips, best of both worlds. But this requires about .2-.5g of kief to really do well.

    TLDR: INHXP is only good for taste if you are okay vaping at only lower temperatures or have access to very fine kief. INHXP is also great for huge clouds of vapor (easily what I consider the hardest hitting portable) if you are okay with bland taste and hot temperature (and/or have some way to cool it down).
     
  5. Resolute

    Resolute New Member

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    Thanks Pakalolo

    The Flashvape is interesting, but not for me. It looks easy to knock over due to the top heavy design, and easy to use, although holding in a button for 45 seconds is not what I would call enjoyable vaping.

    MANY MANY thanks to hiphiphooray. If there were more people like you in the world, it would be a better place. That is what I call a description. With that effort, you have helped me no end. To get a detailed report on something like that instead of people guessing, or not answering my question is priceless.

    Hmm, thing is, I want all of them. I want the Arizer for the taste, and because everyone seems to love it, even with draw resistance...and anyways the new one has improved upon that, and you can get a stem which improves air flow by 30% Does this actually work?

    I want the Davinci Ascent for the taste and portability, although I really prefer to inhale some vapor, and have been told that even filling the chamber, at a fairly high heat will not produce thick vapor. Even said that I am leaning towards this one first.

    Think i'll have to post another thread on that.

    I want the plenty as my home unit - and others, the inhalater xp, oh dear, must narrow down...
     
  6. vorrange

    vorrange Well-Known Member

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    When you say portability, how important is stealth?

    If it's not very important, look at the Lotus. Great taste and extraction.


    For the home unit i would stay away from the Plenty... too many downsides for a unit that expensive. Look at the Enano.
     
  7. Resolute

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    Thanks Vorrange.

    Stealth is not very important to me - but it will be when I actually have a portable one and am using it a lot!

    I will research the Lotus. The Enano looks interesting, but.....

    the whole point of my thread is to find low-zero resistance Vapes with great taste, and a reasonable amount of vapor as I was a smoker for years.

    This is not a choice thing - I had several nasal operations, and cannot have very much, if any draw resistance now. Anyone who has had nasal ops will know this.

    I will have to do a bit more research on the Enano, but it looks like there is a bit of resistance there, which you don't get with the Inhalater XP, or the ascent, and that people favor using water attachments, which I am not a fan of at all. Never liked bongs, but again, I have not researched it enough yet to make a decision on it.

    Will get back to you on this.

    Also, I think the Plenty looks great! I love how it operates, and will be getting one, but I just want a portable - i.e. fit in your pocket one too.
     
  8. vorrange

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    Yeah, i don't know if the resistance in the nano would be a problem for you, but if the Nano is out of option due to this, forget the Solo then.
    That is draw resistance, it gets annoying sometimes. The Nano i'm guessing will be like drinking juice from a straw, but someone who has one can chime in with a more accurate assessment.
    Consider the Underdog too if you want free flowing vapes.

    I don't like the Plenty because it uses a lot of material, it is very big and the flavour is good but not as good as many others in the same price range.

    I don't own an e-nano but i own a similar one, the HI ... and i like to use it dry as well as with water, they work well with either methods.
    I see where other stationary vapes are more pratical to use dry since you don't need to use two hands but that is more a personal choice and not exactly a lesser experience with one method vs the other. Plus, the efficiency and taste and hit thickness are worth it IMO.

    The Lotus has an advantage which is it cools off quickly and heats quickly too, so you can steal a hit or two in less than a minute and then put it away. Plus it has excelent extraction and taste.
    The Firefly is kind of the same but with batteries, the downside is the autonomy is poor and it is costly compared to the Lotus.

    The Solo, Ascent, Inhalater are better if you have 10-15min to stop and vape the bowl in one take.
     
  9. Unconnected

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    Have you considered a fan assisted whip vape? like an extreme q or a herbalizer? that way you literally dont have to do anything. For portable an mflb has very very low draw resistance if you hit it with out the tube, its not really a great vape though if your a heavy user.
     
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  10. Resolute

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    Hmm, thanks Vorrange.

    Very valuable food for thought.

    It is all very personal when it comes to choosing one, hence why I didn't ask anyone's advice on which I should choose, just set my background, and who I am, and asked very specific questions that I wanted answered.

    Is that what the new model arizer is like - drinking a soft drink?? That's not bad. Loads of people love it, but I wonder if they're jumping on a bandwagon, with very little portables ticking every box, I mean, it looks cheap compared to other Vapes, or is it as good as is heralded?

    Like I said, I am looking for, as you put very nicely actually...either soft drink like (very little) or NO draw resistance, and maximum taste. NOT like a milkshake = too much resistance if you get me.

    I also said I want both a home unit and a portable. I haven't seen one that is as effective as a plenty yet, with no resistance, good taste, cooled vapor, LOADS of vapor (for us ex smokers) and ease of use,. This is a home unit, hence why the chamber is so big.

    I'm hearing what you're saying about situations and that is what I am doing - trying to visualise using Vapes in situations and then thinking of the best one for me..phew - it's like working for 'em!
     
  11. Dafni

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    Hey there,

    keep in mind that most times the resistance that you feel comes from the load itself. Even the least restricted vape will have some restriction as soon as you load it.

    I'd say the Nano is pretty free flowing when you keep the load loose and the screen clean. Same goes for most logvapes I think.

    Screens are IMO the biggest contribution to draw resistance, as they can get gunked up quick when you have potent meds.

    Don't throw water pieces out of the equation yet, there are some dragless bubblers wich make the experience much nicer sometimes. They take away some harshness and unpleasant flavors, and they contribute nothing to the overall drag resistance. At least that's what I found. I love my bubblers and my logvapes. A match made in celestial spheres.

    I agree with Vorrange, the Lotus is a very nice and very very functional piece of equipment. And yeah, forget the Solo when you don't like to have resistance upon drawing. The ones I tried where horrible in that aspect. Nice to puff on, like a fat cigar, but not what I am looking for (and I'd say you neither)

    just my opinion, from experience. Tried many many vapes over the years, and ended up using logs almost exclusively, and now the Lotus for outdoor duties. Low drag resistance has always been one of my goals, without sacrificeing vapor density or taste or anything. Need a strong free flowing vape for this.

    Hope that helps

    Daf
     
  12. Resolute

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    Hey Unconnected.

    Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated .

    Actually, the Extreme Q was one of the first Vapes I considered. I'm really not sure in all research, why I decided against it - I'm guessing it may be that I was a heavy smoker, so like the dense, good quality vapor you have to turn a Volcano up to at least 8 to get, and I wondered if I could get that with a similar style unit.

    Although, I really would like a whip system. Hmm, you can use it with or without fan - I'm guessing the fan is meant for filling the bag, or is it meant to be an assist...

    I will research the Extreme Q again. Yeah, TY.

    Anyone got an Extreme Q new version? How is the Vapor quality for an ex heavy smoker?


    Thanks Dafni

    It really helps to hear advice from someone who is and has been looking for the same things in a Vape that I am.

    I will research that Lotus. You guys know what you're talking about and are like minded. I wont rule out a water attachment, but it worries me when I see lots of videos of people only wanting to use a water attachment with a particular device - You'd never need that with a volcano - unless on the highest setting sometimes maybe(!) - having said that, I don't care if it runs a bit hot sometimes - EX Smoker!

    Thank you. I appreciate your input greatly.
     
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  13. pakalolo

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    :lol: You've misread something, probably 4-5 as 45. A big attraction of the FV is that it heats up so quickly. In conduction mode with the convection battery, you can reach combustion in 4-5 seconds. I don't mean to sell you on the FV, though, it's definitely not for everyone.

    Keep in mind that the longer the air path the harder you have to pull, so a whip adds resistance. The EQ, however, has fan assist, which might be just what you need. Flavour from the EQ is good, although you'll need to replace that PVC whip with silicone.
     
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  14. Resolute

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    Ha ha. Oh dear. Thanks pakalolo! It was a demo video. I thought that was weird. Will definately take another look at that one then!
     
  15. vorrange

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    Resolute, the Solo is milkshake like. I was talking of the nano when i said juice like.

    I think the EQ might not have as thick vapor as you'd like.

    I was an ex-smoker too, i used cigs as well so i understand your point of view which is also why i said that other vapes other than the Plenty offer more satisfactory hits considering what you put in the bowl.
    It is obvious that you'll get thicker vapor if you put more herbs in the bowl... but when you compare weight/thickness ratio.. the Plenty is not the best.

    A better option IMO would be an SSV for example if you want a big bowl.

    The Lotus also provides very thick hits considering it's small bowl.

    I would also look into the Herbalaire. It is very efficient and can give you very thick hits, plus you have whip, direct draw, bags and you don't need any adapter to use with water either.


    One other thing, don't mix the NEED to use water with the PREFERENCE of using water. I use water sometimes but i like to use it dry as well to maximize flavour.
    The water allows you to filter the particles too.. which would be good for your sinuses and respiratory system, plus it cools the vapour which makes it less hard on the lungs.
     
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  16. Unconnected

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    Hey dude, i was a heavy heavy cone (tobacco and bud in a bong) smoker for a year, mostly all day before i got the extremeQ, its quite a decent vaporizer for the price, it got me very stoned for a good three years before i gave it to my mate, i would recommend the SSV as the best whip vape but for you it isnt because it does have a fair bit of drag. Anyway, the exq can go to very hot temps, you can get all the cannabanoids you need, and yeah you can use it to do bags (not worth it if you own a volc) and you can use the fan at three different speeds or not at all when using it with the whip. As long as you dont do elbow packs and you dont overload it, you shouldn't experience any drag with it, it should just pump out vapor that you can inhale at your leisure.

    I dont have any experiance with the herbalizer, but it has the exact same function and seems to be the best thing in vapes at the moment, they are pricy at 750 though, head over to the herbalizer thread and ask about how draggy it is.
     
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  17. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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    Just want to chime in in the Plenty issue. I agree with Vorrange on this. ANY 7th floor product will beat or equal the Plenty in clouds. They have zero airflow restrictions beyond how you pack your bowl. Plus they are more efficient. Lastly, they are cheaper too.
     
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  18. Baked55

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    I'd have to agree with the EQ. Using the fan to assist with whip hits there's almost no drag at all. And have heard people saying it doesn't give big enough clouds. But when elbow packing you can get some nice thick vapor. As for portables the only one I have tried is the ascent and it had almost no resistance. It doesn't produce the thickest vapor, but when using with a few glass flowers in the bowl you can start to get a few clouds
     
  19. Dafni

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    Here's another one for you: search this board for The Vapor Lung!

    You can make it yourself and it turns most vapes into a kinda bagvape.
    Might be a bit pointless as you know the volcano already, but it still has its place, for super conservative use on a log for instance.
     
  20. Goodlife101

    Goodlife101 Living The Good Life

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    I would grab an EV2 if they are still 50 percent off.. its like a ssv wrapped in a beautiful wood shell.. very little draw resistance and the cheapest of the line (exQ, ssv, buddha etc) and I love the look and feel of the wood body vapes..
     
  21. Resolute

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    Hey Dafni - Cheers, but we used to make these when I was a teenager. Very good though they were! Will definately try it when I have my own

    SO i'd like to hear a one word answer from all who can be bothered - what's the best portable low resistance Vape, that has:

    Lots of flavour;
    A reasonable amount of vapor (don't want to feel just air);
    That you can take a small draw from,and produce vapor, as well as a larger one;

    ?

    Thanks but this is your opinion. I disagree and know that smoking through a water pipe is bad for your health. When I have done it, I get wheezy, and smoking, or vaping normally doesnt do this to me. It's taking chemicals (albeit without combustion) to your Bronchiole via liquid as well as gas, and that is recognised to be unhealthy, will cause inflamation, probable largening of these tree like filters, low lung capacity, and health problems - such as infection.

    Hey if you are 100% healthy, you may not succomb to infection as a starter, but I know plenty of people who smoke Cannabis, and would never even consider vaping or smoking through water.

    In studies done with waterpipes, it has been shown there has been 30% and more tar per cannabinoids when using water pipes/filtratrion.

    "Water filtration is actually counterproductive, apparently because water tends to absorb THC more readily than noxious tars"

    Now, they say "In practice, both vaporizers produced over ten times more tars than cannabinoids, indicating that there is plenty of room for improvement."

    If this is true (which I am not surprised - I know you have a lot more tar with smoking and still love the idea of vaping), then logically vaping without water seems to be much healthier
     
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  22. vorrange

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    .... Where in what i said does it contradict what you said?

    All i'm saying is that no one is saying you need to use vaporizers with water, but that you can. If you feel better not using water it is not me who will say otherwise.

    Using cannabis via lung absortion will always hinder your lungs and cause allergic reactions, whether it is smoked, vaped, dry or through water. Using water helps filter the particles which usually lowers the alergic reaction but i think with ashtma it is not quite the same and some people prefer to use dry and take small hits... probably due to heat as well.

    If this is the case with you, maybe a water pipe with ice will be better than dry or with water.

    Also, do you know where i could find that information regarding being unealthy to use water? That is a subject that interests me. :)

    Regarding your question, if you don't bother with autonomy, check the Firefly. I think it has one of the smoothest airpaths in the portables, and the miniVAP if you can afford the extra money.
     
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  23. Resolute

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    Hey Vorrange

    Sorry I didn't say anything about asthma. I was going to start listing conditions, such as COPD, and just general scarring due to too much smoking, but the reality is it is the majority of people I know, regardless of health, who will not smoke via water filtration.

    I have neither, as I said I have a nasal issue. Quite unrelated. I did have a lung condition called 'Sarcoidosis' a while back, which is now treated, and was told whether you are healthy or not, never to vaporize through water by several doctors, because of the reasons I have already stated.

    Not so that water lowers the alergic reaction at all. It removes much more THC than tar, and cannabinoids acts as anti inflammatories, and are not dangerous, but tar is., (This I can verify, as when I had a lung condition, I could still smoke Cannabis, but not Cigarettes).

    It's just common sense really. To breathe something in as liquid will damage your Aveoli, but if you want some frame of reference, google it, or check out this link for a study done. It is very interesting....

    http://www.ukcia.org/research/pipes.php

    WHo knows what we should believe based on the latest new studies eh! I just go on my own common sense, and knowing that the doctors told me, as a smoker, your alveoli size increases to something like 6 times it's normal size, and so reduces your lung capacity by as much.

    The alveoli are apparently what is responsible for 'holding' and then filtering infection, chemicals and whatnot from the lungs. The surface of the alveoli then massively increases, and so does your chance of infection, and near inability to get rid of it, so thank god we are all trying to do it the healthy way eh!

    Hooray for Vaporizers!

    Ace, thanks. That minivap keeps coming up time and time again.
     
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  24. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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    THC is not water soluble. It cannot be stripped away by water. That is science.


    Edit: That study was from 1996.

    from the Newsletter of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies
    MAPS - Volume 6 Number 3 Summer 1996

    The vapes used were one of the old glass jar vapes and a homemade vape rig. explains a lot.
     
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  25. vorrange

    vorrange Well-Known Member

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    i suggest you ask more questions on the minivap thread, perhaps there are people there with a similar situation as yours. But i hear the vapor is very good on the throat which is a good indicator.
     

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