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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by randomtoker, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    Hey Steve, nice you found this little hidden tank thread over here.

    What made you decide on the NRG mini tank tho? That's a bottom-air tank, that's most likely to leak out on you, unless you can fill up your tank and vape it down to empty in only a few days (bottom air leaks are usually slow) Still should be much better than those crappy little pre-filled carts, you should get more airflow and better flavor, avoid burning with TC, etc.

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    4 days to ship out your tank? Why? Maybe you can tell them to cancel your order, with all that delay, and switch out your order to a Veco tank or one of Vaporesso's other top-fill top air tanks, so you won't have to deal with leakage. Distillates and co2 are too precious to tolerate leaking, it's so frustrating and annoying. :mad:

    Or you can try this place where I got it from here, they are domestic and have it in stock, I'm hoping to get mine in a few days.

    Cool, so you managed to switch out the quartz rods in your honeystick sub tank out to a ceramic donut, and it fires up? So it seems you at least have figured out the basics of coil building, which is just getting the wires and gasket / plug in the right place so it has continuity and can fire up. Why do you think it's not wicking up though? Is the donut dry on the inside of the coil?

    I can't get a great view of the atomizers on the honeystick sub tank, from what I can tell it looks like a decent design. I've seen new FC members bring up lots of new tanks for concentrates and I must say this sub-section of vape gear does seem to be improving.

    If the holes for the juice / oil on the casing of the atomizer for the honeystick tank are too small, you might have to remove it and punch some holes in it with a hand drill. (dis-assemble the atomizer and clean it after drilling and before rebuilding it, you don't want metal shavings obviously)

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    The honeystick is also a top-filling top air tank, so it shouldn't leak. Porous ceramic coils, that's good, standard. They don't say if the wire on the coil lets you run in TC mode, the obsolete battery they sell with it is not a TC mod. Still, this looks alot better than much of the cheap crap tanks that people fill up with co2 and distillates today. :2c:

    @Nine9bar, you haven't mentioned, what battery or mod are you using with your tanks? (hopefully a good TC mod?)

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    For the ceramic donuts, I've get them from Divine Tribe, the loose donuts he sells are of a consistent high quality and resistance range, with nichrome leads that are well controlled @ TCR 200-245. You can get similar donuts from lots of stores and resellers, but alot of the time you don't know what the wire composition is, for using with temp control, and some cheap off-brand donuts have un-even heat patterns. Not to say it's impossible to find good replacement donuts elsewhere, but DT's supply is a certainty. He has them in 0.8 and 1.5 ohm, and also stocks larger 10 and 13mm donuts, but I haven't found an RTA coil head (TFTA) big enough to fit those, yet.... (still looking)

    He will ship those to the UK; send him a note on e-mail and he might hook up a discount too. Might as well try his v2.7 / v3 atomizer for your straight rosin too, while you're at it.

    Hmm, I think I know what you mean on the veco coils. The ceramic cylinders they use are fairly tall and skinny, so the coil casing is pretty compact to match it, like their old cCells. Not enough space for a 7mm donut, maybe the 5mm discs? (i still want to get my hands on more of those) I'm hoping to take a look at this soon, myself.

    As for your rosin / WL mixing ratios, sorry I can't offer you much help there. :shrug:I'm not a mixer myself. With all these different oils and liquids we want to put in our tanks, I feel like we should get viscosity ratings like motor oil to be able to compare our oils and apply them to the right type of vape gear. :lol:

    I hear you, but that's only how half the states or more are in the US. They still send parents to jail and take their sick kids away to die for trying to treat seizures with CBD oil. I feel pretty lucky living in California in that respect, but I still don't want to bring attention to myself vaping out in public, so the sub ohm tanks are perfect for that. Some concentrate RDAs that don't look conspicuous like DT's are also good for that. I like using my tanks when driving, but then we also got guys like @Steven who like using 9" tall hydratubes....while driving! :o :D (sorry Steve had to get you on that one haha)
     
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  2. Accept

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    Very interested in a vape report with the Herc from you. Your goals are similar, so it could be an interesting comparison.

    Regarding stealth, @NimbusVapor has a recent classified post offering a Herc + box mod with an atomizer cutaway. Only the tip protrudes above the mod, so it looks pretty stealthy. Might have to try this approach.

    Regarding restricted air-flow and clogging, this appears to be an aspect of the design. After you hit it, you need to take a few cool-down draws to keep the airflow open. Once the concentrate is cool, it's too thick to leak through the small airflow holes. If it does, there's a dish to reclaim it.

    Have you tried your ceramic builds with thicker concentrate? Seems like it would work once it's heated, you'd just need to load it differently.

    Reluctant to use PEG again after reading the article cited in this thread. It seems significantly more risky than PG (and especially VG).
     
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  3. Steven

    Steven Well-Known Member

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    @Vape Donkey 650 thanx for the link for the tank. There wasn't a specific reason why I chose the nrg tank. I just saw that it was their newest tank so I just settled on that. My main concern is that it uses the ccell coils. I don't know too much about ecig attys and didn't do a lot of research before I ordered one. The nrg tank I ordered fasttech was a predorder so thus the 4 day delay. Luckily it allowed me to cancel and get a veco as u suggested

    Thanx for all the info. The cotton in the coils are a bit of concern but this tank was bought for convenience. This won't be my dd. My main interests in it are to just get better airflow, harder hits, and no more clogging and leaking from those prefilled cartridges.
     
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  4. Nine9bar

    Nine9bar New Member

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    You can get ceramic coils for the veco, one come with the tank!!! Check Vapresso site, check out the coils.
     
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  5. Steven

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    What kind of ccell coils do you like using for best flavor. I know they come in different ohms and wires. The ss is 0.5-0.6 ohms, the kanthal is 0.9, and Ni is 0.2 ohm.
     
  6. Nine9bar

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    The Honeystick came with a standard cotton coil, I disassembled the coil drilled some hold in the casing then reassembled with ceramic donut all fire up fine, I didn't have any wicks tho, I added some ejuice, wasn't expecting much vapour but I didn't get any!! Plus when I hit the tank I got a mouth full of juice, Gonna try again with the double coil when I receive my order from divine tried Thanks for the heads up! Plus I've order some wick!!!
    Does the wick that u used in ur build stop the liquid spitting up into ur mouth?
    I don't know if I'm being stupid but it just seem like the oil would simple be sucked up the intake every time before I get any vapour, on traditional coils the wick holds back the oil so this doesn't happen, how dose that work on your coil?

    The mod I'm using is from Aspire not sure what it's called, came with a kit with my Atlantis tank, got temp control, I plan on upgrades soon tho, I like the sound of that mod that can hide the herc tank,
    I should be getting my Herc any day now so will update will results.
    I don't like the sound of that thread about the PG/PEG tho!!
    I have a number of different terpenes from connoisseur concentrates, got the 10pack sample pack and they accidentally sent me a $475 bottle of Jack herrar,I'm fully aware that these are not cannibis dirived, most of the flavour i don't really like, very over powering, I do like the lemon tho, I've also got the flavourless aswell. My knowledge of terpenes is very small, they advertise them as a better Alternative to PG/PEG, does anyone know if this is true or is it Bs??
    Peace ✌️
     
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  7. Nine9bar

    Nine9bar New Member

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    Ps I'm pretty sure the Veco won't work with ur Coils. However the Vapresso
    Guardian Tank!!!
    Would work great from what I can tell, u can still replace coils without emptying the tank but u pull them from the top not the bottom unlike the Veco, on the Veco the air flow goes down the middle then back up the coil, this is why it won't work the coil bottom pin has a hole in to allow for air flow, the oil would flow down this and block the airflow, Still a good tank if using conventional coils tho
     
  8. Nine9bar

    Nine9bar New Member

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    I've got the ss. 0.5. Ccell is just a brand name, you can get other ceramic coils, They all have a ceramic Cylinder wrapped in some cotton. Don't get hung up on Ccell, there nothing special in my opinion.
    Peace ✌️
     
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  9. Steven

    Steven Well-Known Member

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    Vaporesso is the brand. Ccell is their line of ceramic coils. They also make regular cotton wicked coils that are called something else. The ccell line is their signature ceramic wick. Their ccell coils are basically ceramic tubes with metal wires embedded in it. The wires embedded in the ceramic cylinder can vary between ss, Ni, and kanthal. The 0.5 ss coil you have IS a ccell coil (the ceramic coil that came with your veco tank). So really, yes, we want to be looking for ccell coils, but I just want to know which wire gives best performance among the ccells
     
  10. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    That sounds like a design drawback, to me. I don't have to do that with any of my tanks, which have wide-open and adjustable air flow. Curious how that reclaim dish works? Sounds like it might get pretty gunky :uhoh:

    With my cubis donkey tanks? Or some of the vaporesso cCell tanks? I haven't tried it, I just use my load-n-go donuts for BHO/PHO type stuff. The filling slots of the cubis tanks aren't as generous as some of the other tanks we're looking at now, but you can shove some shatter of crumble into one if you really wanted. Using some of those patron syringes that @Steven loves with a needle tip would aid in that.

    I think that if you used pure shatter in a tank, it would wick really slowly at first, then vape really hard for a while, and then get reclaimed and nasty fairly quickly, and also flow very poorly when the tank isn't warmed up and have problems "wicking" the coil when cold. Using some readyXwick would help with that but probably exacerbate the reclaim gunking problem :shrug: Not an experiment I want to try soon. For all those issues I would forsee, it makes sense to add a little PEG in your tank with BHO to make it vape more reliably, even if it's unhealthy. I'll stick with co2 and HTFSE in the tanks for now. ;)


    Cool, good you managed to switch that out just in time. The NRG tank would probably vape just as well with the cCells and solve those other issues, but now you don't have to worry about leaks too. I'm hoping that elaborate coil changing structure at the bottom of the veco tanks isn't overly complex and have too much oil sticking to it when the tank level is empty or when you want to change out coils when there's much oil still loaded in the tank still? Maybe @Nine9bar can give us an idea about that.

    We will both be getting this tank pretty soon, and we are both some DT v2/v3 vets, very familiar with the taste of the alumina ceramic donuts. It will be interesting to compare the flavor with the porous ceramics now too.

    Steve have you tried vaping some drops of that distillate on your V3 donuts, to try the taste and reference it to your up-coming tanks?

    With the honeystick sub tank atomizer coils, I couldn't get any good pics to get an idea of the shape and structure. Can you post up some pics of the honeystick coils? Maybe there are restrictions in the chimney of the tank?

    So you test fired your donutted-and-drilled modded honeystick atomizer just with e-juice? Not the rosin juice? With no wick, and it just spit at you? That sounds like what I would expect. :\ And yes, I think adding some strategically placed wick does help a little bit in reducing the spitting without obstructing airflow. You can also try reducing the airflow on the ring on top of the tank to reduce spitting.

    I think the thickness of your oil is one of the main factors in spitting, however. My thickest co2 oils almost never spit on me, even with an open air throttle. My thinner co2s and htfse tends to spit on me a little more, mostly with a full tank.

    This is the wick that I have used in my coils the 1.7mm


    What was the coil resistance of your honeystick with the donut installed also?

    Ok, at least you're using some sort of TC mod, not an un-regulated mod or battery :tup: I'm not too familiar with that brand, does it do TCR?

    And regarding PG/PEG, yes...not good! The study that is referenced is not super-detailed regarding the temp levels used to get their results, but it seems using lower temps in vaping all glycerin type liquids greatly reduces the toxic compounds, but even at low-mid 300F temperatures that are the minimum for vaping, you're probably seeing some trace formaldehyde / acetaldehyde. :mad: So I avoid altogether.

    Terpenes are "natural" and I don't think it matters much if they are derived from cannabis or another plant, and they are the very manifestation of flavor. But you have to be careful with adding terps too! Many common terps have pretty low levels of acute toxicity; add just a few more drops than needed into a tank and you can experience coughing, harshness, nosebleeds / coughing up blood :o (I've heard this reported from people here at FC and that thread @Accept referenced)


    I've actually seen other vapes, including the generic little high-ohm carts with ceramics, use the "cCell" name. It seems to be the new shorthand for any type of ceramic coil for a tank.

    Regarding the differences between the different vaporesso offerings, I'm seeing at least 2 or 3 options depending on which tank. I'm figuring the lower-ohm cCells have slightly bigger silica cylinders and/or lower-gauge wires.

    Some of the new joyetech tanks with ceramic coil heads even have atomizers with multiple ceramic cylinders in a single atomizer, but they all have bottom-air flow (arrrgh leaks :mad: do not want)

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    I bet they will hit you with tons of vape before they start leaking out on you though :o
     
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  11. Steven

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    Oh you KNOW I tried the distillate on the dtv3. It was crazy, I only put 2 small tiny drops on the donut and blew out a monster cloud. Unfortunately, the distallate I got is cut with a ridiculous amount of terpenes. That is why it's so loose, but it is a bit overpowering. I'm hoping to get less terpene flavor out of the veco tank since the donuts are flavor king.
    Yup, that's what actually originally drew me to vaporesso's ccell coils. The current reigning King in prefilled distillate carts are the vape 710 carts and they use the ccell coil technology (invented by vaporesso and is their signature coil, ccell). I'm not sure if vaporesso licensed the tech but the guy who designed the 710 carts is a reddit user. Regardless, those 710 carts won't compare to a bigger brother version of it I'm assuming. This path led me to the nrg tank because it's vaporesso's newest tank with ccell coils. Luckily, I switched to the veco thanks to @Vape Donkey 650 and @Nine9bar fingers crossed, I'm having high hopes for this thing
     
  12. Nine9bar

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    The Veco tank uses the ECU coils. The Guardian tank uses the Ccell coil.
    They look different and the ECU (possibly a cheaper made version) ceramic coil don't have Ccell writing on them, I'm guessing they've got the same part, If ur wanting to use "Ccell" coil then get the Guardian tank instead, maybe u can still swap
     
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  13. Steven

    Steven Well-Known Member

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    This is off vaporesso:
    Instead of changing the complete coil typically with metal sleeves as it used to be, with EUC, you only need to change the minimal part that is with heating elements while maintaining the metal sleeve at a reasonable cost and avoid any waste.
    Euc stands for eco universal coil. Euc is a more economical design for coil sleeves. The veco still actually uses a ccell coil but in the Ecu design. If you go to vaporesso website and look at specifications of the veco tank, you will see
    "The advantages of a CCELL ceramic or a COTTON choice"
    http://www.vaporesso.com/euc-vape-coils

    I'm not trying to argue technicalities, but just trying to clear things up. I've mentioned before that ccell coils are basically vaporesso's signature coil which uses a ceramic wick instead of a cotton wick. Basically all of vaporesso's relatively new tanks use either a ccell coil (ceramic wicked coil) or a traditional cotton coil. If a coil is using a ceramic wick, that's a ccell coil. Maybe the sleeve maybe different, but the heating element and wick is essentially the same. We all know we want ceramic wicks right. Who really cares about all these acronyms, but let's just be clear speaking about it going forward

    I must be argumentative. This happens to me from time to time in different threads. Thanx for directing me towards the veco tank

    Regarding about all this Hercules talk, I own one and thoroughly gave it a chance. It's ambitious and has lots of potential, but there are too many design flaws. The restricted airflow is enough for me to pass on it. Now you r telling me I have to suck on it for a minute after I'm done with my session. That on its own is bad but then you gotta do it through such restricted air flow as well. Plus, when I brought this up in their forum, the owner was quick to respond so defensively and boasts how they are leaders of the industry and how the industry would be no where without them. I can even remember how they claimed they were the sole inventor of temperature control in mods, yet they don't even have one (not sure if they do yet, I don't keep up). Not trying to bash on w9 but just speaking honestly. It's OK if a product has flaws, but I don't ever see w9 improving on the herc. Any criticism on it is taken as an attack, because apparently, it's the perfect vape cartridge that needs no improvement.
     
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  14. Steven

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    Yeeowzas we've got a winner fellas. My veco tank came in and I loaded whatever distillate I got left. After 2 puffs, I rushed to order more distillate syringes before they are sold out. This set up freaking rocks. As a reminder, the distillates I use is very viscous. I've actually seen some ejuices thicker than the distillates I have. I thought it was a bit odd, but it probably because its cut with a lot of terpenes. It's works, taste, and effects are great though. The overpowering terpene flavor experienced in the dtv3 has become quite pleasant in the veco tank. Since it's distillate, I take small hits and hold it in. This set up will be my go to tank to use during the day when I'm out and about and for work. I'll actually probably switch from this and the dtv3 because shatter and live resin is always great. Thanks again @Vape Donkey 650 and @Nine9bar for directing towards this winner
     
  15. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    Cool, it looks like eightvapes shipped our tanks out pretty quick? I got my tank 2 days ago and filled it yesterday, getting a better feel for it today. I want to post a detailed review next. It seems you're having a little better time with your new tank than me, maybe the distillate you've loaded in it is part of that? (co2 for me this time)

    Steve, did you just plug in the 0.5Ω ceramic coil that came with it or did you opt for the separate pack of 0.3Ω ceramic coils? (i'm using the 0.3 right now)

    And I'll have to share most (if not all) of the credit on this scoop for the Veco tank with @Nine9bar, he swooped into this decrepit thread and pumped some life into it :tup: Maybe he will come back and give us an update on his vaping with the veco and more possible donut attempts

    Haha yes...you're both right I guess. A ceramic by any other name, would taste as sweet? They're calling them "EUC" now for their latest line, while the older line is called cCell (a somewhat generic, much copied name by now) but what really matters is the ceramic heater which we want.

    A porous silica cylinder, with a temp-controllable wire (SS316 in this case) wrapped in a thin cotton sheet is the new EUCs. Vaporesso's old cCells are very similar, but with larger atomizer casings for bottom-tank (leaky) air flow and more choices of wires and resistances, but essentially all the same ceramic cylinder at the middle.

    There you go Nine9bar, for your herc review. I didn't want to go putting down a product I haven't used, but I generally trust the reviews and opinions of my fellow FC members very much, and I've read similar problems from others as well. I've also seen some good reviews. I was trying to be nice, but I know Steven won't hold back how he really feels. :evil:

    For me, a vape with a restrictive draw is a disqualifier, especially when other worthy, competing vape systems have much more open and adjustable air flow.

    I can also build 3 or 4 cubis vape donkey donut tanks for the cost of a herc, too :shrug:And I've had friends tell me they're vaped like 10 grams of co2 on a single atomizer coil that I made, continually refilled, no problems, still tastes great too! :o (exceeded my expectations!)
     
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  16. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    Ok mods, sorry if my back to back posts are less than 10k altogether, but I want to separate my train of thought regarding the replies and quotes and this stand-alone review of the new vaporesso veco tank :bowdown:

    Vaporesso veco 2ml RTA with top-filling and adjustable top-airflow, leak-resistant, ceramic coil options, easy to use and fill, doesn't really spit, tastes pretty good.

    The design of the tank structure is excellent, but the taste and performance of the porous silica heater, and it's cotton wrap which is holding it back, IMO, is not quite as good as the tank itself. I can only say this because I've been using the non-porous alumina donuts in my cubis tanks for nearly a year now, and I'm becoming more and more certain those types of heaters taste significantly better, despite their other minor drawbacks.

    Still, compared to any little 'vape pen' high-resistance, pre-filled or refillable cartridge, or even any other unmodified sub-ohm RTA for e-cig that I've tried or looked at, the veco tank is easily beating any of them for fluid cannabis concentrates,

    4 / 5 kush leaves :leaf: :leaf: :leaf: :leaf:

    or 7 / 10 on a 10-point scale :leaf: :leaf: :leaf: :leaf: :leaf: :leaf: :leaf:(not quite 8) [why? why don't you like it that much]

    let me elaborate on the the good:

    this tank is super easy to fill. the top screws off and offers you an open cavernous glass circle to drop your concentrates into. no obstructive metal structures. even if your concentrate comes in a little jar rather than a syringe, you can simply pour it in, and very little will be wasted. this tank is much easier to fill than the cubis pro mini.
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    you can clearly see the ceramic cylinder and the wire inside of it here too


    the method of unscrewing the bottom of the the tank and being able to easily change coils without having to leak any juice or oil is a big advancement in RTAs. For concentrates, it's a game changer because you don't have to get sticky fingers messing with your tank now.

    I broke down the tank like this again after I filled it and slipped the coil in and out to inspect it, and then back together, not a spec of oil wasted, leaked or touched! And the wet atomizer coil still made solid contact after re-insertion with a very stable live resistance reading. I can't do that with the cubis tank without having to wipe / scrape some oil.
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    This is the co2 oil I put on it. I've filled many grams of this brand before (very good), but the first batch I've seen with a lighter hue. Not sure what to expect flavor and strain wise on a new type of coil, it seems pretty good, pretty sweet.
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    Easiest RTA fill I've ever done. It helps that this co2 oil is pretty fluid and not very viscous. (An oil / fluid that is more viscous is more resistant to flow, @Steven, I think you got that mixed) The holes in both the inner chimney and the atomizer coil are generous and functional. The co2 oil had no problem finding its way to the coil, but it did seem to take 2 days to fully "wick up" and give more consistent hits. (good thing I waited a day to review :|)
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    now the bad parts, or the not-as good parts

    For me, it's really just the flavor! And the smoothness of the vapor. And the over-all vapor production, and the wicking or re-fill rate when vaping this tank on "session mode" (Taking many rapid back-to-back hits results in some wispy, dry hits for me) So basically, the vapor overall is "good" but not "great" :\

    The taste of my co2 oil feels altered or shrouded by cotton, like I'm passing my vape through a load of fresh laundry :shrug:

    Don't get me wrong, the veco with cCell is pretty good, but when it comes down to everything regarding actual vapor, the alumina ceramics are just better to me. It tastes better, with or without a ceramic wick aiding it, and alumina resists getting gunked up and reclaimed over time better than silica if you keep it wet

    My donut coils make substantially more vapor and at lower temps. The oil that you fill it with also is a factor, but I'd estimate at least 30-50% more vape per puff on donuts, at the same puff duration and temperature / air flow.

    When you go session mode on my donut tanks too, it just seems to get better and better, warming up the oil on the tank, making it flow into the coil, fetching bigger clouds, without getting hotter and drier and harsher as you continue.

    It seems I can make the cotton or silica on the EUC go dry with 4 -5 rapid puffs, (or even 1-2 big puffs?) and I get a puff that feels like more hot air and hot cotton after that. Let it rest for just 10 seconds or so, it's re-wicked, somewhat.

    I don't mean to come off as a hard-line cotton hater; I think cotton works good for concentrates with convection (not conduction) and for e-juice (not thc) which is thinner, but the cotton taste is always noticeable with pure concentrates on conduction atomizers to me. Cotton wicks struggles to replenish itself quickly with a thicker oil and rapid puffs and becomes a crispy polymerized mess, even with TC.

    Drawbacks of alumina donuts for a tank vs a silica cylinder? The donuts tend to spit on you a little bit, but only with the thinnest oils, if the tank is full, and if the air throttle is too wide open. So it's an avoidable issue.

    And you cant buy a "vape donkey" coil pre-made from a store....yet :|:shrug:And that's it.

    Alumina > silica

    Still, I feel that the cotton wick is the main thing holding these EUC coils back. Although these coils are not intended to be RBA, you can pull the pin out from the bottom and remove the heater and wick, so I already want to try gutting my coil and try the silica heater wick-free (no cotton), or with some readyxwick helping the heater instead.

    Unfortunately, as Ninebar alluded, the space on these EUCs is too small to fit a 7mm donut inside. I wish I had some more of those little 5mm donuts :doh:

    EDIT: puffing on the veco throughout my posting and edits, it's spitting on me a little bit more, especially when I pull harder. Not all the time. The chimney seems to be getting clogged sometimes, but you can "pull through it" by dry puffing on the mouthpiece to clear it. So basically, it's similar in this regard to the earlier line of cCell coils I used, and maybe a little worse than the spitting / chimney blocking on the cubis tanks? More testing needed :sherlock:
     
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  17. Steven

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    Correctamundo. I'm using the stock 0.5 ceramic ss coil. U have both right? How do they compare to each other?

    Correct again, oops. The distillate I pick up is very loose, even when refrigerated. I believe it is cut with a lot of terpenes because it's so flavorful and loose. It tastes even better than ejuice to be honest. The labels says good with all mods and drippers.

    I also get massive amounts of vapor. I use the ss316 tc setting at 25w and 390F. I keep the vents wide open and take a hard deep breath. It's about a 4 second hit. I hold it in after I take a hit and still blow out a huge cloud. I only need to take 2 hits or so, so I haven't took back to back hits. I'd imagine it's not a good idea as the distillate will probably not be wicked up fast enough. The material used will be a huge factor as mentioned. From the looks of it, my distillate is looser than your c02 oil.
     
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  18. XiolaOne

    XiolaOne Firewood 4

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    qwiso to ejuice

    After looking at a ton of recipes and youtube videos, I think I've come across a recipe I like. Can I get some comments to let me know if I'm on the right path?

    1. Freeze 4g of bud and 99% ISO overnight
    2. Pour ISO over bud until it's covered. Swirl around gently for 30 seconds, pour out into cup straining out plant material
    3. Pour that into another cup through a unbleached coffee filter
    4. Pour that into pyrex dish. Set on heating plate, low setting, until it all evaporates
    5. Once it evaporates, use razor blade to scrape it up. Should get about 1g of concentrate
    6. Put concentrate into something like a thick bottomed shot glass along with about 1ML of Holy Terp Pure mix.
    7. Put it in a pot of water on low heat (right below boiling point of the water) for about 5 minutes, stiring it off an on so it mixes together
    8. Using blunt tip needle, suck up mixture and put it into a cart.

    Random questions:
    1. Do I need to decarb the bud first?
    2. I'm expecting to only get about 1 cart of juice from this recipe. Does that sound about right? I wasn't going to buy any storage containers if that's all I'm getting.
    3. What's everyone's favorite cartridge at the moment? I have no experience with vape pens and what not so have no clue on what to get.
    4. I'm a very light smoker and 4g of bud would last me several months normal vaping. Will the ejuice stay stable for a long time?
    5. Is the Holy Terps Pure mix the best to get? Does it have any flavor to it?
    6. Is the 1ML Holy Terps about the right amount? Looking to get about 3-5 puffs per session. Starting material is good quality bud
     
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  19. KidneyStoner

    KidneyStoner Well-Known Member

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    I've recently starting mixing my own oil for vaping in cartridges. I've done 2 runs using my own shatter.
    Anyone use a vegetable glycerin tincture for vaping? I've had it in my fridge for a few years, not sure if it's still good though.
    What is everyone ratio when it comes to flavor? I tried 6 drops of Capella bubble gum flavor in 3 ml of mixed oil. Not enough flavor. I'm thinking maybe 10 drops (roughly .5ml)
     
  20. Steven

    Steven Well-Known Member

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    @Vape Donkey 650 how are you liking the veco tank so far? I have been loading it with thick distillates and it actually works even better than my looser distillates. Well maybe it's because I'm using different coils. I need to try these coils with my looser distillates to really see, but the main point is that it works great with thick oils. I'm currently using the 0.6 ss316 ceramic coil on a stock eviction primo using TV settings for ss316 with 50w at 450F. The coil actually reads 0.53 on my primo mini.

    I have tried the same coil and distillates at 40-45w with 400-420F using the ss316 TV setting and have found that I get minimal vapor, yet oil consumption is used up at a very high rate. I believe it just warms up and evaporates and just wicks in more oil before it reaches the temp it needs to really vaporize. A quick deep 4-5 second hit gives me a slightly coughing hit if I hold it in for a while. It's not harsh, it's just cuz it's a decent amount of vapor and I'm holding it in. I'm living this set up. It's my go to if I'm stepping out the door. I have been using my dtv3 at home now. The dtv3 is probably more efficient, but this veco tank is just so convenient. It's easily by far the best non layg piece I've used. There's a lot of hype on those vape710 cartridges, but if people only knew about the origins of these ccell coils. This thing is leak proof and has massive airflow[​IMG]
     
  21. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    Well Steve, at least I'm happy the veco tank is working well for you, and I didn't turn you on to a product that you didn't like or doesn't work well for you :shrug:With regard to vapor quality, you would be just about the same with the NRG tank you were about to get (both tanks use the same coils), but then you'd be dealing with a high likelihood of leakage on that other tank. :mad: You must really be loving your new tank if it's relegating your DT v3 donuts to lower rank! :o How many grams or coils (or grams per coil? :D) have you gone through? (about a half gram of 1g filled for me)

    After some more time and use, I am lowering my earlier rating to 3 /5, :leaf: :leaf: :leaf: or 6/10 :mad:

    Main problem that developed a couple days after my review: chimney climbing / clogging :doh: :bang:

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    As you can see here, alot of oil worked it's way up, against gravity, to the very top of the atomizer coil, completely clogging the airflow! :cuss: And this was not not one of those light, "pull through it" and it clears itself out, type of clogs. This was much more of the "sucking super thick milkshake through a skinny straw" or a complete blocking of airflow type of clogging. A whole lot of co2 oil had completely blocked the narrow corridor of airflow inside the ceramic coil. This was highly frustrating to me, and made me put this tank to the side for several days.

    I eventually got back to it, and removed the top-filling cover, and with some dab tools, scooped away and cleared open the top of the atomizer coil....sooo much oil was stuck between that and the MP. Well over 100mg of oil. :rolleyes: At least it was easy to put it back on the tank.

    Manually clearing the airway open again, i started getting some familiar puffs from the veco/cCell. Tasted ok, but not great, still feels kind of dry, like huffing through fabric softener sheets, and vape clouds much smaller than my donut cubis tanks, still.

    With the 0.3 ohm coils that measure in closer to 0.34, I tried as low as 25w, but the vapor production was better at higher watts, up to 40w, where the coil reaches protection almost instantly from pressing the button, so more power than that won't help anything. Temps below 400 result in minimal vapor for me, need to go to 420-430F+ to get anything much. Figuring that the SS coil wire temps inside the silica coil to be tracking pretty close to the temps on the screen in TC-SS mode, I'm reluctant to set the temp higher than that, and the flavor is suffering the higher I set it. :\ Air throttle, wide open or in the middle, it seems to work best with an open air throttle.

    I wonder if the 0.5 ohm coils are key to your better experience? I can't see that being the case, from when I look at the atomizer coils, they look almost exactly the same as the 0.3 ohm. I am more interested in taking any of these cCells apart to remove the cotton and vape on it wickless, with just the silica heater. It may open up the airway, reduce the clogging, and improve the taste, but it may cause it to spit more too? :huh:

    Maybe it's the distillate oil you're filling the tank being the key? My co2 oil is pretty thin, however, and you getting good results with thicker distillates confuses me further :shrug:

    So I guess overall, the veco TANK has some great design features, but I still feel disappointed with vape quality / atomizer coil design.

    Steven, it would be great if I could get you to try out some of my donut coils in the cubis tank to test and compare to the veco. This tank project is still supposed to be leading to Matt's latest product, but honestly, it's the lowest priority project for him right now, below the new crucible cup atomizers. It would be useful to get some more testing feedback with different vaping materials and usage patterns :2c:

    I must say, even though I'm being quite harsh and critical of the veco tank here, it's still most likely the best readily available sub-ohm RTA with temp-controllable ceramic atomizers on the market for concentrates, even though it's intended use is e-cig.

    The VECO is multiple levels above the crappy little high ohm carts, even if they have a "cCell." I wish that such crappy vape gear wouldn't still be industry standard this far into 2017.

    But I qualify my earlier statement, with "readily available" because my "vape donkey" cubis donut tanks are still blowing the VECO away. My latest dual 5mm donut build is blowing lovely clouds of htfse for me since I set it up recently...big clouds and smooth and tasty too :p I hope to give a fuller update for you all soon... i feel like I've FC'd enough for today :zzz:
     
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  22. Steven

    Steven Well-Known Member

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    @Vape Donkey 650 drilling into the metal chimney us a great idea. There's a stubborn bit of distillate that will never get soaked up be cause of the problems you mentioned. I usually use a hairdryer to pour that portion out and wipe whatever I can with a straight metal pick to use in the dtv3.

    As for your questions about vapor production, the veco gives me the same amount of vapor everytume regardless of fill level. The only time I get mediocre vapor is when the tank is really cool and the distillate used is too viscous to be wicked up. It needs a bit more testing, but the veco and honey bucket are looking to be my regular refill for daily use.
     
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  23. nosmoking

    nosmoking Fogmonger

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    Been using this cart for the past 3 days for some Durban Poison distillate. I wish there was a TC option but I also have not felt it neccessary. The airflow is great but you have to wait for the preheat effect to kick in. If you pull instanly it will be completely restricted and seem clogged. After 2 seconds its wide open. My syringe has no metal tip, just the wide plastic tip but the two filling holes on the top are just wide enough I don't need one to fill these up. The constuction quality seems much more superior than your typical refillable cart.
    https://maxvapornail.com/collection...artridge-with-ceramic-core-and-preheater-coil
     
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  24. Steven

    Steven Well-Known Member

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    Yea, the big hype are between these maxvapor carts and the vape 710 carts. They both use ceramic coils. The 710 carts are a bit more pricey because they are out of Canada. I was looking at these little prefilled style carts before I went over to vaporesso. Many on reddit recommend these 2
     
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  25. RandomWire

    RandomWire New Member

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    Hy all

    Great Thread...thx for that.

    My Setup:

    Mod: Vaporesso Target mini
    Tank: Goblin mini v3 (updatet version)
    Juice: 0.5 g Rosin / 1 ml VE Flavorless / 3.5 ml Pg
    Coil: Stainless Steel 316 l / 12 Wraps / 1.20 Ohm
    Cotton: Koh gen do

    My Problem:

    When i use it on the Temp Control Mode (200 ° Celsius / TCR 92)
    it uses the full 40 Watts (not adjustable) and i get immediately a burned taste...
    i locked the resistance...

    In Power Mode it works awesome on 12 Watts...but i really wont to use temp control....

    i don't know what to do....maybe use a higher resistance coil for longer ramp up time?

    Any Help is appreciated. THX
    Sorry my bad english...
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2017

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