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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by randomtoker, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. randomtoker

    randomtoker Well-Known Member

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    I saw that, I don't know what MTC is though,

    @MrTibbles I looked into ordering triethyl citrate but the flavoring company's site requires account creation to order, and account creation requires saving full contact and credit card info. I have nothing to hide, but no site that I'm only ordering one thing from needs all that info stored on their servers.
     
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    Guessing they mean MCT, not MTC. Stands for medium-chain triglyceride. Reddit with references - focused on tobacco, but OP began with cannabis. Could be a game changer. Haven't found a how-to.
     
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  3. Prospector

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    Hmm interesting. I should try this before I move towards tinctures.
     
  4. Javydawg

    Javydawg New Member

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    Where can I purchase MCT oil to vape? I've looked online and in Amazon.com but I'm not sure it's pure/safe enough to vape?
     
  5. shark sandwich

    shark sandwich "shit sandwich" Accessory Maker

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    MCT oil is made up of octanoic and decanoic acids, as well as small amounts of LCTs and other contaminants. Of those constituents, octanoic acid is the only desirable portion.

    Octanoic aka Caprylic acid can be purchased a lot of chemical suppliers, like sigmaaldrich.

    The highest quality mct oil on amazon appears to be this stuff:
    https://www.amazon.com/Nestle-Patients-Unable-Digest-Conventional/dp/B0013Y6YYI

    And here's a word of caution from earlier in the thread:
    The clear is made with MCT oil, and used without incident, so it seems like a pretty safe preparation. It should, however, be possible to make a much better preparation using the information above.
     
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    Welcome back SS! Found your earlier post in this thread searching for MCT. :doh:

    Wouldn't you want pure caprylic acid, in that case? The composition of the product you link to is unclear.
     
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  7. shark sandwich

    shark sandwich "shit sandwich" Accessory Maker

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    The product I linked under "simaaldrich" above is 98% or greater caprylic acid. 100% isn't available anywhere that I have seen.
     
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    Nice, thanks! Meant Amazon link.
     
  9. Javydawg

    Javydawg New Member

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    Can I buy from sigmaaldrich? Seems I need to have a business :/
     
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    Comparison of some potential sources. No clear winner. Hype over increased energy and weight loss when added to coffee.
     
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  11. randomtoker

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    Hey all, I came across a couple interesting things lately. Seemed worth sharing here.

    1) Vapeur Extract is going to be selling a winterizing agent that they're calling "clear". I'm not sure what exactly it is. They advertise as Winterizing without Ethanol, the email said: "In the next few weeks we will release a series of products that will allow you to take out fats and lipids within minutes after purging. The results, and taste are phenomenal. We can't wait for you to try!" Sounds interesting, perhaps convenient. May not be anything revolutionary for people who extract, but could be helpful to people that just want something quick and easy to clean up their extract and make better juice with. They only have an empty product page so far: http://vapeurextract.com/clear/

    2) Johnny AppleCBD. This is a company selling pure, crystalized CBD extract online. It's around 50 bucks for a half gram. It's just CBD but I'm curious, since it's crystal, perhaps it could mix cleanly into VG? Could be worth a try just to check it out. https://johnnyapplecbd.com/
     
  12. RCalore

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    Yeah, I've tried using CBD crystalline with a zero nic e-juice on my RDA and it's been okay...not sure if it's the best way to combine the two. I noticed Johnny AppleCBD has flavored CBD crystalline and if you've tried that and how is it? Maybe I can eliminate the e-juice and just vape the raw flavored crystals.
     
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  13. randomtoker

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    @RCalore I haven't tried it yet, sort of steep price for an experiment. They claim you can vape or smoke it straight. I don't like carrying around white crystal powders myself... I was just curious to try mixing it in straight, or high % VG to see if it would blend.
     
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    I've got a new Coil experience. A single notch Coil with .17 Ohm and 40 Watt. The taste is really different, not so ...direct. A amazing rampuptime. It's my new favorit!
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  16. looney2nz

    looney2nz Research Geek, Mad Scientist

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    Interesting idea, but that Activated Charcoal also soaks up every terpene :(
     
  17. EpicNameGuy

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    I'm too lazy to cite references, but I'm pretty sure MCT Oil isn't good for say cooking edibles because its flash point is relatively low (in the 300F area I think) and releases carcinogens after that.

    I seem to be of the impression vape pens burn hotter than this, otherwise you would not catch a high from the vape.

    Wouldn't this be a concern for MCT oil as a vape pen carrier? I had this discussion without someone about this application about a year and a half ago when dispensaries were first experimenting with it and it was ruled out as too risky compared to PEG, and then we upgraded to terpenes and haven't gone back so we've not revisited the topic.

    Just curious if the conversation has evolved past that.
     
  18. EpicNameGuy

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    Just an fyi... you all probably already know this, but in order to obtain such a high percentage of purity, usually some harsher solvents are in use such as hexane. That's ok as long as it's purged properly, but it really take a proper environment to do so.

    Point being, no matter what vendor you source your isolate from, make sure you are asking for a recent residual solvent test. If they won't provide it, they probably aren't getting the testing done (or perhaps are, but are not getting the results they'd like) and you should steer clear. The industry isn't regulated at this time, so there are good players and bad alike..

    Just some advice.
     
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    Also soaked up every cannabinoid.

    Could be. Started a thread for MCT oil because there seems to be little definitive information available. Tried it, and it worked okay. Not a clear improvement over glycols, IMO, so no reason to risk it. Should be ideal for tincture, though.
     
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  20. herbivore21

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    Yeah we really need to know what that 'winterizing liquid' is made of lol
     
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  21. Javydawg

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    It's not a liquid it's more like syringe filter. The video is here
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BJO-Na8geHM/
     
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  22. herbivore21

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    Hmmmm still very scant detail. It looks like a standard luhr lock syringe filter on a cheap throwaway plastic syringe. Is this just sub-micron filtration? In any case, it looks like a struggle to get the material through the filter (sub-micron filtration of very thick material is notoriously difficult - it can be impossible to push a straight out liquid solution with a large amount of ethanol or iso through such a filter on a syringe, let alone a thick cannabis errl)! I wonder if a vacuum compatible version exists?

    One big factor that stands out to me is how they managed to get the material to even run through such a filter (perhaps heat - unless this material is a distillate in which case I'm sure dewaxing could simply be achieved with fractional distillation?). There is absolutely no similar syringe filter of any pore size that I have used that this would work for. It would be a very messy affair, you would need to use heat and then questions of leaching of plastics emerge. If this is a super fine filter as I suspect, then that will be challenging to use to say the least!

    I am very interested to find out more needless to say lol
     
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  23. 420time

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    WOW! I have tried the same technique a few years ago with some bho+99% Iso.... was a real pain in the ass. It was in a 60ml syringe with a 25 micron filter.....
     
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    Since this is Vapeur Extract, maybe oil is already dissolved in their glycol mix or one of their other products? After filtration, solution in bottle looks more like finished canna e-juice than undiluted oil. Don't know why it's so cloudy to begin with.

    Blue ring could indicate type of filter membrane or pore size. When evaporating EtOH from QWET, routinely filter through 0.45 uM nylon syringe filter before transferring to small evaporation dish. Many types of filter membrane are available, hydrophilic or hydrophobic, for example. Would a particular type of filter membrane help clean up chemical contaminants as well as particulates?
     
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  25. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    You betcha bro, it is a brutally difficult task isn't it! Imagine the difficulty when I tried to do the same with a 100ml syringe and a .2 micron filter! :lol:

    The cloudiness may be owing to any number of causes. I know that cannabis essential oil extracted by distillation can look quite cloudy on the initial passes before it is further distilled to clarify/purify.

    Some of these membranes are small enough (.2 micron is preferable to .45) to remove bacteria and perhaps some kinds of fungus/spores. Please check compatibility charts between your membrane material (ie: Nylon - make sure to know exactly which kind of nylon polymer this is as in some cases this information can be required where many formulations exist) and chosen solvent (not all solvents will play nicely with all membranes).

    Additionally, you really wanna be sure that the membrane is gonna play nicely with cannabis resin. I believe Gray Wolf may have discussed appropriate membrane materials for sub-micron filters on Skunk Pharm at one stage when he talks about cleaning up extracts.

    If not, I did my homework a year or two ago on this, can't remember but I might be able to find my notes or just look it up again :)

    Finally, I am not 100% sure that sub-micron filtration would actually achieve dewaxing. I certainly found that after sub-micron filtration of solution at .2 microns, I could still winterize materials out of it with ethanol! Perhaps this offers a partial dewax, perhaps things work differently if ejuice solvents are mixed in? I don't have all the information to understand their scenario so I can only guess lol
     
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