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ABV - Warning to all Vaporist dog owners

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by Troi, Sep 28, 2011.

  1. Troi

    Troi Well-Known Member

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    Hey all,

    This may have been pointed out on this forum already, but my searches brought up nothing. Id like to share a terrible discovery I made this week. First of all, despite what many may say or think, marijuana, and its psychoactive ingredients, effect our canine friends dramatically different then they do ourselves. The proper does of active canniboids can can have serious adverse health effects on dogs, as they do not possess the receptors we do, and their genetics don't benefit as us humans do from the active ingredients.

    Furthermore, many of you may say "Well my dog has eaten my stash and he/she was fine" remember raw product is typically unactivated, and when eaten not much active chemicals will be absorbed or digetsed. But as we all know, whatever meds are left in ABV are fully activated due to the heat process in vaporization.

    This makes ABV very dangerous to dogs, for example, this week i accidentally left about 1.5 grams of ABV on my coffee table, and my 40 pound boxer gobbled it up, without me knowing, shortly after, we found her unable to walk in the back yard essentially catatonic. I rushed her to the vet, but on the way she fell into a coma, and upon arrival at the vet she had a dramatic drop in blood pressure, and heart rate. On the way to the vet I realized that she had probably eaten the ABV off the coffe table, upon arrival the vet was very unsure if she will survive. They had to use a combination of antihistamines, and steroids to get hear heat rate and blood preassre back to normal. Luckily abut 48 hours later she has recovered, and all is good. But it was a very close call, and an very expensive vet bill (Over 1k)

    I jut want to caution everyone if you have dog to be careful with your ABV, and while many people think its fun to share the medication with there dogs, its not good for them at all.
     
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  2. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    wow i never thought about the activated vs unactivated aspect, very good thing to be aware of.
    good to hear your boxer has fully recovered :clap:
     
  3. weedemon

    weedemon enthusiast

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    one night we were at a friends house and we were all drinking. and we were using my ssv.

    when the bowl was cashed i went to dump it in the garbage and the owner suggested i give it to her dog. "he loves it" i was told. so i gave it to the dog. it would have been about a .3 of a g or less at this point.

    everything seemed fine, but the next day I found out she had to take him to the vet because he lost bladder control and was just pissing everywhere all over the house. after that the dog was fine.

    she doesn't blame the pot and said she thinks it was something else. but i kinda wondered.

    thanks for sharing this story.
     
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  4. charliedontsurf

    charliedontsurf Medical

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    Glad your pup made it.
     
  5. Troi

    Troi Well-Known Member

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    Please inform your friend, urine incontinence is one of the many negative effects active cannaboids have on dogs, according to my vet, and my own witness, exposure to active canniboids can possibly kill the dog and has a detrimental effect to the cardiovascular system, as well as the above story. The dog doesn't love it, the dog has no idea whats going on. The danky sweet stench of the weed the dog inteperets as potential food, thats it.
     
  6. djonkoman

    djonkoman Well-Known Member

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    I would like to hear more about the science behind this, it's common that pets like dogs and cats can't have certain stuff(like chocolate), but I never heard about this before, I have read stories of dogs that ate edibles or that ate the leftover weed from buttermaking from the compostpile, but in all those stories the dog was just very stoned/couldn't walk well for a while or went sleeping but was all fine after having some rest

    and I thought we posessed cannabinoid receptors since invertibrates(in evolutionary terms), at least that what was said in the docu 'cannabis, the evil weed', so in that case dogs shopuld have cannabinoid receptors also, so do theirs work in a dofferent way? do you know anything about the details?

    I don't want to sound skeptical I'm just curious to the workings behind this
    I have heard before tough that dogs(but cats even more) are more sensitive to weed as we are

    but there are also people blowing smoke at their pets, and I think I've also read about people using weed as petmedicine for dogs, so does this only happen in larger doses??
     
  7. Smokey

    Smokey Cloud Master

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    I never gave edibles or abv to my puppy, I usually puff some vapor towards him though...I did that with smoke too but the harsher smell probably didn't fit him since dogs have greater smell taste. With vapor though, he doesn't run away sneezing like with smoke, it stays there, smelling the cloud, then go on his comfortable pillow and take a nap, me and my girlfriend always have a laugh watchin him a bit stoned :D I don't think vapor is an health issue as long as not done every day, many times a day.
    Ingesting MJ has greater effects on humans too, so I think that counts on the animal side too.
     
  8. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    Said before in the other thread, all neurobiology aside, the simple fact is that cannabis produces a number of dangerous negative effects in pets that simply don't occur in humans

    loss of bladder function, coma, tremors, seizure, etc are never common occurrences with humans, even taking high doses.


    On the receptors, from what I understand they do have some endocannabinoid system but that it differs from species to species, so the cannabis effects vary too.
     
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  9. momofthegoons

    momofthegoons vapor accessory addict

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    I posted a while back about my dog getting into my abv. And he did not ingest much. While he did not need to go to the vet, it was a terrible experience; both for him and for me. He was sick and disoriented and had a very hard time walking. It took the better part of a day to get him right. I would strongly suggest that you keep your abv in a place that a dog cannot get to.
     
  10. OhTheAgony

    OhTheAgony here for the chicks

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    Poor doggy, glad to hear he's still ok. I use to give some of the fan leaves to an old and stressed out cat I took in from the streets at old age and it seemed to relax him. So when my other cat was a little stressed a while ago I figured I give him some to see if he liked it as well. Only this time I had learned about activation so I lightly vaped about 0.1 gram and mixed it through some cat food. It was late at night and nothing much seem to happen, my little pall washed himself and laid besides me to go to sleep and I did the same. Then in the middle of the night I woke in wet bed. My cat looked at me all panicky and he had pissed the bed. He was ok apart an anxiety attack and it wore off within a few hours but I still feel guilty for it. I guess cat owners should watch their AVB as well.
     
  11. Lo

    Lo Combustion free since '09

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    This is an important warning with so many pet lovers around. Had a friend with a dog that stole 1/2 a brownie off a coffee table and I got a late night phone call with the worried owner wondering if he needed to get the dog to the vet. Umm, yeah not only ABV but chocolate too and a small puppy! Thank goodness soon as I told him YES, VET - he ran his disoriented, drooling puppy to the vet.

    Big vet bill later a lesson learned... pup is fine and now that owner will never leave an edible or ABV out.

    Everyone with pets should take notice.

    Glad to hear good outcomes here ;)
     
  12. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Personally I am glad to see people coming out against medicating helpless animals, imo its abuse, period. There was another thread here speaking about this and I found the cavalier attitudes supporting this activity appalling. Just because mammals have cannabinoid receptors does NOT mean that the source of cannabinoids has to be external. :2c:

    t-dub
     
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  13. lepstadder

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    my 80lb dog has done this several times and always gets really messed up.

    It sucks and is scary

    one time it was from the jar being knocked over, i scooped up all i could, went grab the vacuum and came back to him liking the carpet, about an hour later his depth perception was way off for about 6-7 hours...
     
  14. SecretStoner

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    Glad to hear your dog is alright. I've had many friends have animals eat their ABV and random stashes. Every story i've heard of this has had very scary/close calls/dogs ending up shitting all over the place. Edibles are definitely terrible for animals, unless the animal is a human.

    SS
     
  15. SecretStoner

    SecretStoner Well-Known Member

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    Argh. double post. bad internet. can't find the delete button.
     
  16. canadianlive

    canadianlive Well-Known Member

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    I am glad your Dog is alright. I have 2 a Pit and a Hound both male.
    I have watched a video somewhere on youtube(will edit this post once I find it, it is made by BBC). It said that every living organism on this planet has THC receptors. The effects of THC and their differences is not discussed. No other plant substance in this world has a receptor like THC does!

    Nice thread thanks, I loooove my boys :)
     
  17. Seek

    Seek Apprentice Daydreamer

    Doesn't all drugs act on receptors in brain? THC binds to CB1 and CB2 receptors, naturally, anandamide binds to them. Opiates bind to ?-opioid and other opiod receptors, naturally, endorphins bind to them. Psychedelics act on serotonin receptors. Nicotine binds to acetylcholine receptors etc.
     
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  18. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    I got a friend who is a tobacco smoker.. and was buying cigs in bulk... 3-4x 10-pack a month.. He wasn't consuming that much but his dog is used to eating..them.. :puke: And he puckes and shits only the filters back.. Recently his dog was diagnosed .. with cancer in throat stomach and anal tract ... I guess most of things we use are damn poisonous for dogs.. (candy,chocolate.. fish and milk).
     
  19. djonkoman

    djonkoman Well-Known Member

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    from what I've heard/read not all organisms but since a certain point in evolution, an invertibrate living in the sea
    insects for example not
    I saw it in a BBC docu too btw(cannabis, the evil weed)

    and there is another plant that acts on cannabinoid receptors, echinaecea, but it only acts on the CB2 so you don't get high from it
     
  20. photokographer

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    I wonder if dogs are attracted to eating the abv because it smells somewhat like peanut butter?
     
  21. stroh

    stroh errl enthusiast

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    i think ABV smells like coffee grounds. i just blew a couple vapor hits at my golden with arthritis because he was whining that he couldn't go up the stairs, after a few clouds and a belly rub, he happily bounded up the stairs and i can hear him playing with my other dog now, so i think that MMJ could have a place for our canine companions, but in extremely minute doses.
     
  22. crawdad

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    good to know, and thanks...but i tend to be real careful with anything i have so it would be quite odd for mine to ingest it. about the only contact my dog and cat get is expelled vapor and maybe some smoke, thus far my dog has zero reaction to that (none noticed) and the cat just follows me everywhere till he has enough and just sits there for about an hour or so without moving much, then is normal.

    i dont do this on purpose, just something i noticed the cat doing.

    glad your dog is ok, i bet that was scary. :peace:
     
  23. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    cleaning my vape area and most likely disposing my ABV from now on. I almost never use it and I value the life of my dogs FAR more than some shitty second rate ABV high, or any high for that matter.
     
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  24. Qbit

    Qbit cannabanana

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    Yeah do please remember that cats and (usually) dogs are much smaller than we are, which in itself is a huge factor in how weed will affect them. Even giving 0.1 to a 4-5 kg (~10lb) cat will be the equivalent of 1.5g if it were scaled up to a human-sized 70kg (150lb). Which is a lot for a human with no tolerance.

    So if you really do want to give your pet ABV, start with no more than a few crumbs.
     
  25. Why would you want to?
    Given all the variables,i highly recommend just NOT giving your pets ABV at all.
     
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