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CarolKing
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Hobby Lobby’s gay mystery: Did SCOTUS just grant an anti-LGBT loophole?
From coverage of HIV medication to Title VII discrimination claims, here's what else the decision could effect.
Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito (Credit: AP/Charles Dharapak/Sue Ogrocki/Salon)
In striking down Obamacare’s contraception mandate, Justice Samuel Alito seemed to hope the decision wouldn’t set off a feeding frenzy. Like a parent who lets their kid stay up past bedtime just this once, Alito tried to assure that the Court’s decision does not exempt employers from covering just any drug or medical procedure that conflicts with their religious beliefs—for instance, a blood transfusion or vaccines. He also dismissed Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s suggestion that the majority ruling could be used to justify racial discrimination. “The principal dissent raises the possibility that discrimination in hiring, for example on the basis of race, might be cloaked as religious practice to escape legal sanction,” the associate justice wrote. “Our decision today provides no such shield.”
Despite Alito’s stated intentions, this week’s ruling sparked more questions than it answered: Can an employer refuse to cover Viagra? What about HIV medication? If a boss can opt out of any law so long as she is motivated by a “sincerely held belief,” can they refuse to extend benefits to a same-sex spouse?
“The Supreme Court has ruled that for-profit corporations have religious rights and have accorded them religious exemptions,” said Doug Kendall, president of the Constitutional Accountability Center, in a statement. “Despite their attempts to qualify that ruling, it opens the floodgates to claims by corporations for religious exemptions.”
It will take years, if not decades, to know the full impact of the Court’s decision inBurwell v. Hobby Lobby—until a test case winds itself through the legal system, observers can only guess how lower courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court, will rule in any given scenario. But lawyers who specialize in constitutional law say certain outcomes are less likely than others given existing laws on the books.
From coverage of HIV medication to Title VII discrimination claims, here's what else the decision could effect.
Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito (Credit: AP/Charles Dharapak/Sue Ogrocki/Salon)In striking down Obamacare’s contraception mandate, Justice Samuel Alito seemed to hope the decision wouldn’t set off a feeding frenzy. Like a parent who lets their kid stay up past bedtime just this once, Alito tried to assure that the Court’s decision does not exempt employers from covering just any drug or medical procedure that conflicts with their religious beliefs—for instance, a blood transfusion or vaccines. He also dismissed Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s suggestion that the majority ruling could be used to justify racial discrimination. “The principal dissent raises the possibility that discrimination in hiring, for example on the basis of race, might be cloaked as religious practice to escape legal sanction,” the associate justice wrote. “Our decision today provides no such shield.”
Despite Alito’s stated intentions, this week’s ruling sparked more questions than it answered: Can an employer refuse to cover Viagra? What about HIV medication? If a boss can opt out of any law so long as she is motivated by a “sincerely held belief,” can they refuse to extend benefits to a same-sex spouse?
“The Supreme Court has ruled that for-profit corporations have religious rights and have accorded them religious exemptions,” said Doug Kendall, president of the Constitutional Accountability Center, in a statement. “Despite their attempts to qualify that ruling, it opens the floodgates to claims by corporations for religious exemptions.”
It will take years, if not decades, to know the full impact of the Court’s decision inBurwell v. Hobby Lobby—until a test case winds itself through the legal system, observers can only guess how lower courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court, will rule in any given scenario. But lawyers who specialize in constitutional law say certain outcomes are less likely than others given existing laws on the books.
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Mark my words, this is not the end of corporations trying to force their religious beliefs on their employee's. I am personally waiting for the other religions to start too, like Catholics, for example. "We don't believe in ANY form of birth control, so we refuse to pay for anything." Or, Jehovah's Witnesses...""we don't believe in blood transfusions or organ transplants, so we refuse to pay for that."
This circulating on FaceBook:
Why not test daily for alcohol consumption while they're at it, which is also enjoyed on one's own personal time AWAY from the job! And while the government and our employers are in everyone's personal business, they should also make random checks to make sure we wash our hands after each bathroom visit, as not doing so poses a public health hazard. Court enforced citations need to also be issued to anyone who fails to cover their mouth and nose when coughing and sneezing, at home and in public. Cigarette smoke needs to be outlawed, and if violated, made punishable by long-term imprisonment. ,,,and what about poor Fred, who just passed his 4 year college exam and is ready to apply for his career dream job: Unfortunately, he was just the victim of a car hit-and-run and became severely injured, requiring that he get immediate blood transfusions - turns out his life-saving donor was/is an occasional/recreational MJ user. Now poor Fred has tainted blood, and will NOT pass his mandatory blood test. Sorry Fred, there is no excuse or forgiveness given such tests, or circumstances. 4 years of specialized education time, effort, and costs out the window, and a record that will haunt for life. Shall I go on?!!!
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EveryDayAmnesiac
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This circulating on FaceBook:
Why not test daily for alcohol consumption while they're at it, which is also enjoyed on one's own personal time AWAY from the job! And while the government is in everyone's personal business, they should also make random checks to make sure we wash our hands after each bathroom visit, as not doing so poses a public health hazard. Court enforced citations need to also be issued to anyone who fails to cover their mouth and nose when coughing and sneezing, at home and in public. Cigarette smoke needs to be outlawed, and if violated, made punishable by long-term imprisonment. ,,,and what about poor Fred, who just passed his 4 year college exam and is ready to apply for his dream job: Unfortunately, he was just the victim of a car hit-and-run and became severely injured, requiring that he get immediate blood transfusions - turns out his life-saving donor was/is an occasional/recreational MJ user. Now poor Fred has tainted blood, and will NOT pass his mandatory blood test. Sorry Fred, there is no excuse or forgiveness given such tests, or circumstances. 4 years of specialized education out the window, and a record that will haunt for life. Shall I go on?!!!
I think Aasif Mandvi had the right idea...
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Governor RICK SCOTT!!! Ugh!Don't fucking get me started!!!
I despise this asshole. He's so fucking corrupt and lies like a fucking dog in his campaign commercials. It kills me how stupid people are, and how short their memories are. This cocksucker had the lowest approval rating in the nation at one time, but stupid motherfuckers will support him again because they obviously do not tire of being fucked up the ass!
EveryDayAmnesiac
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Governor RICK SCOTT!!! Ugh!
To his credit, he takes the question in stride and seems pretty unphased...
Although you can see a little "Fuck you" twinkle in his eye!
He is, as always, demonstrating his talent and expertise as the consummate Vaseline sales representative (no offense intended towards Vaseline). The placid look on his face is yet another expression of satisfaction that follows his "fucked you up the ass and didn't even have to kiss you" look.
To his credit, he takes the question in stride and seems pretty unphased...
Although you can see a little "Fuck you" twinkle in his eye!
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cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Tell us how you REALLY feel, Vicki.
I, of course, am totally with you on this one.
What he didn't ask, and should have, is "When was the LAST time you were tested, Governor?"
To his credit, he takes the question in stride and seems pretty unphased...
Although you can see a little "Fuck you" twinkle in his eye!
grokit
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Yup I agree with mr. brand on this one, when he said that if corporations want to be considered people, then they have to pay the penalty when they commit a crime. I'm paraphrasing here, but I liked it when he said that if gm is killing people, then they should be executed. End of fucking story, I totally agree with this.
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
What kind of freedom is this?
Kansas boy fighting back after outdoor library shut down by ordinance
Published June 24, 2014
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This photo shows 9-year-old Kansas City boy Spencer Collins with his outdoor library (Courtesy WDAF-TV)
A 9-year-old Kansas boy says he is fighting back after city officials forced him to take down the outdoor library he had created on his front lawn as a Mother’s Day gift.
Spencer Collins told Fox4KC he had the idea to create a “free little library” after his mother, an elementary school teacher, saw the idea in another state. The idea is to share books and a love of reading among neighbors by placing books in a clear box, and encouraging others to take a book from it or leave a book in it.
“Reading is one of my favorite things to do. We built it on Mother’s Day as a present for my mom because she really wanted one,” Spencer said.
However, the family soon received a letter from local officials telling them they must take down their library or face a fine. The letter said the library violated an ordinance that forbids structures on the front lawns of single-family homes.
“I thought it was ridiculous,” Spencer’s father Brian Collins said.
City official Richard Coleman told Fox4KC that the law applies to any structure, and the city is not trying to crack down on the “free little libraries.”
“You couldn’t put a bookcase out there, or a couch out there, or any items like that,” Coleman said.
The family took down the library so they would not face a fee, but Spencer plans on fighting back. He told Fox4KC he plans on speaking at Tuesday’s city council meeting to take a stand against the ordinance.
“I want them to change the law. That’s my main thought. I just don’t like it. I think it’s unfair because it’s really good to the community,
Kansas boy fighting back after outdoor library shut down by ordinance
Published June 24, 2014
FoxNews.com
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This photo shows 9-year-old Kansas City boy Spencer Collins with his outdoor library (Courtesy WDAF-TV)
A 9-year-old Kansas boy says he is fighting back after city officials forced him to take down the outdoor library he had created on his front lawn as a Mother’s Day gift.
Spencer Collins told Fox4KC he had the idea to create a “free little library” after his mother, an elementary school teacher, saw the idea in another state. The idea is to share books and a love of reading among neighbors by placing books in a clear box, and encouraging others to take a book from it or leave a book in it.
“Reading is one of my favorite things to do. We built it on Mother’s Day as a present for my mom because she really wanted one,” Spencer said.
However, the family soon received a letter from local officials telling them they must take down their library or face a fine. The letter said the library violated an ordinance that forbids structures on the front lawns of single-family homes.
“I thought it was ridiculous,” Spencer’s father Brian Collins said.
City official Richard Coleman told Fox4KC that the law applies to any structure, and the city is not trying to crack down on the “free little libraries.”
“You couldn’t put a bookcase out there, or a couch out there, or any items like that,” Coleman said.
The family took down the library so they would not face a fee, but Spencer plans on fighting back. He told Fox4KC he plans on speaking at Tuesday’s city council meeting to take a stand against the ordinance.
“I want them to change the law. That’s my main thought. I just don’t like it. I think it’s unfair because it’s really good to the community,
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
What kind of freedom is this?
Kansas boy fighting back after outdoor library shut down by ordinance
Published June 24, 2014
FoxNews.com
4.4K
This photo shows 9-year-old Kansas City boy Spencer Collins with his outdoor library (Courtesy WDAF-TV)
A 9-year-old Kansas boy says he is fighting back after city officials forced him to take down the outdoor library he had created on his front lawn as a Mother’s Day gift.
Spencer Collins told Fox4KC he had the idea to create a “free little library” after his mother, an elementary school teacher, saw the idea in another state. The idea is to share books and a love of reading among neighbors by placing books in a clear box, and encouraging others to take a book from it or leave a book in it.
“Reading is one of my favorite things to do. We built it on Mother’s Day as a present for my mom because she really wanted one,” Spencer said.
However, the family soon received a letter from local officials telling them they must take down their library or face a fine. The letter said the library violated an ordinance that forbids structures on the front lawns of single-family homes.
“I thought it was ridiculous,” Spencer’s father Brian Collins said.
City official Richard Coleman told Fox4KC that the law applies to any structure, and the city is not trying to crack down on the “free little libraries.”
“You couldn’t put a bookcase out there, or a couch out there, or any items like that,” Coleman said.
The family took down the library so they would not face a fee, but Spencer plans on fighting back. He told Fox4KC he plans on speaking at Tuesday’s city council meeting to take a stand against the ordinance.
“I want them to change the law. That’s my main thought. I just don’t like it. I think it’s unfair because it’s really good to the community,
Go support him on Facebook, if you can.
https://www.facebook.com/Spencerslittlefreelibrary
cawshook
Solod out.
Turns out that poor Palestinian kid killed in retaliation was burnt alive. Fucking disgusting people everywhere... how can you fucking burn an innocent kid alive and just watch him go out in flames??"On Tuesday, a chilling audio recording related to the Israeli teenagers' disappearance surfaced.
Israeli media outlets say it's an emergency call to police by one of the young men, 16-year-old Gilad Shaar, when he realized he'd been kidnapped on June 12.
"I've been abducted," he says in Hebrew on the static-filled recording.
The police officer on the other end of the line doesn't appear to immediately catch the words. He repeatedly says, "Hello?"
Another voice shouts, in Hebrew but with a possible Arabic accent, "Put your head down. Hands down!"
There is more shouting and what sounds like one of the teenagers crying out, "Ay! Ow!"
Another police officer then joins the call, asking, "Hello? Hello, Hello? Answer! Answer the phone, please. Where are you right now? Hello?"
Israeli authorities say they didn't leak the recording to the media and are declining to comment further."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/02/world/meast/mideast-tensions/
And just before they pound the shit out of Gaza and kill hundreds of innocent people, they'll leak a "chilling audiotape".
Caligula
Maximus
Why is it an atrocity when the Israelis do something like that, but it's a fabricated reason to pound Palestinians when the shoe is on the other foot?
I fail to see how someone can believe only one side is capable of deception/evil like that.
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cawshook
Solod out.
Dude, I already stated my bias. Read my posts again. I've seen way too much of their games to give them the benefit of the doubt. You wouldn't trust someone you think is a liar would you?
Caligula
Maximus
Pretty sure both sides have significant documentation showing each is capable of something like this. That's my point here. To simply believe one and not the other based on your "feelings" rather than historical evidence is doing a disservice to everyone involved in rectifying this terrible situation. In fact, IMO, it's reactionary condemnation like this which is sustaining the problem for so long.
Bottom line is that both sides have lied and will continue to do so in order to further their respective agendas. If you want to stick with that logic, you should trust nether the Israelis or Palestinians.
Bottom line is that both sides have lied and will continue to do so in order to further their respective agendas. If you want to stick with that logic, you should trust nether the Israelis or Palestinians.
lwien
Well-Known Member
They're all fucking liars. Why trust any of them. Show me one honest government. Just show me..........ONE.
It's human nature we're dealing with here. People will lie when it comes to money and power, or the lack thereof. Add survivability in there and ALL bets are off.
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cawshook
Solod out.
I dont need documentation, I lived in the middle east most of my life, I have first hand experience. They're not baseless feelings. historical evidence? do you know about the massacres they've committed? The statements that they've made?? They're feeling of superiority?? They're the world's most hypocritical country, bar none.
The thing is the US media paints Palestinians as the bad guys. Why don't they hear about Israeli terrorism? they're reminded about muslim terrorists everyday yet do they know Israeli terrorism is alive and active everyday?
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I think some of us don't fully understand why the leaders cannot come up with a solution. Why can't Palestine be their own country? It's a war over religion and land. Let the people have their own religion and land.
Is that too simplified?
A life is a life no matter who they are or where they are from. Each human life is precious and should be treated as such.
I've always lived in the U.S. I've never had to deal with these life or death issues. I just see what is on the news or online. Probably a biased view.
Is that too simplified?
A life is a life no matter who they are or where they are from. Each human life is precious and should be treated as such.
I've always lived in the U.S. I've never had to deal with these life or death issues. I just see what is on the news or online. Probably a biased view.
Neither side is blameless. Israel creates a new settlement in disputed teritories: sometimes knocking out Palestinian settlements. Palestinians strike back, Israel strikes back, ad infinitum. It is the citizens who end up hurting for the egos and aggressions of their respective leaders.
I suspect most folk just want to live in peace and not be fucked with.
I suspect most folk just want to live in peace and not be fucked with.
cawshook
Solod out.
I understand why you guys wouldn't know too much about the issue. I mean, I don't know much about the massacres in the far east, and I'm not too familiar with the ones in eastern Europe. I'm just highlighting the government's ability to do whatever they want by keeping their voters' in the dark about the issue. In any case no child deserves to die like that. There is no worse death than being burnt alive. I hope those involved pay for it.
https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/485495235389030400/photo/1
Those are the real heroes right there.
https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/485495235389030400/photo/1
Those are the real heroes right there.
I will never understand how the world can sit so quietly watching them build illegal settlements.
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tuk
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I think the main difference is the Palestinians are being suppressed & occupied by the Israelis who've taken all the best land as well as the bulk of the land over all...& are still expanding contravening UN law but no one gives a shit cos Israel is America's fail-safe brace on the biggest lake of oil on planet.
The Israelis are wealthy and heavily armed while the Palestinians have next to nothing....they are not even fully recognised by the UN as sovereign country, the US has been blocking that since day 1 lest the Israelis are forced to share.
Don't get confused this is some tit for tat dynamic...it's not an equal relationship by any stretch.
Israel is no different from south African apartheid, one half of the country is heavily armed and has all the wealth and power, the other half of the country has nothing, the rich half suppress and brutalise the poor half, the poor half are restricted to travel in certain areas and subjected to aggressive security measures, the poor half have more of a right to be there, the rich half are there by grace of force only....sound familiar?
The Israelis are wealthy and heavily armed while the Palestinians have next to nothing....they are not even fully recognised by the UN as sovereign country, the US has been blocking that since day 1 lest the Israelis are forced to share.
Don't get confused this is some tit for tat dynamic...it's not an equal relationship by any stretch.
Israel is no different from south African apartheid, one half of the country is heavily armed and has all the wealth and power, the other half of the country has nothing, the rich half suppress and brutalise the poor half, the poor half are restricted to travel in certain areas and subjected to aggressive security measures, the poor half have more of a right to be there, the rich half are there by grace of force only....sound familiar?
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