Gear Concentrate accessory questions (Ti, SS, Nails, Dabbers)

DubCRider · Mar 7, 2013

weedsmkn said:
anyone have info on the nail they sell on the delta9 site? i bought one a while back, and its beed good to me, just wondering if its safe to use.

It is legit grade 2 Ti. I've sold the same nails to big time dabbers and none look like the one I pictured above. If you see your nail start to scale, crack, or wear away it's time to rethink its quality.

mrboote said:
I have no way of knowing what the nail in the picture is made out of, but I do know this: Grade 5 titanium is stronger and more resistant to oxidization than grade 2. So if you have a nail that is actually made from cheaper grade 5, that sort of carnage is unlikely. From my extremely limited understanding of the topic, the real bad news about grade 5 is that it is an alloy that contains aluminum. I honestly don't know the exact health risk this may pose.

Note, I know the one I have from ogb is a re-engineered bone screw, I don't know what he sells these days, they may be perfectly "legit". Unless yours looks exactly like mine, I'm not claiming to know anything about it.

You do not want Grade 5 Ti, you want grade 2. You want the purest Ti content available, not aluminum to make it stronger.

SD_haze · Mar 7, 2013

Bob Loblaw said:
smoking aluminum can increase chance of alzheimer's, iirc. glad i stopped smoking outta soda cans when i was in my teens (glass pipes didn't exist then and no one had a hundred bucks for a bong)

Even post vapexhale-cloud, I went camping and forgot my Supreme Vape's screen.
A weekend of smoking hash oil out of a Budlight Lima-a-Rita can :puke:

After that combusting out of glass seems less nasty haha.

On the cheap TI nail topic:
My cheapy ebay TI nail doesn't look destroyed like the Dub's picture today, but I have found it has nowhere near the same heat retention as it first did. It used to glow cherry red, and now it will barely go above a dull light red. While I didn't take the best care of it, it was not very long that this happened. Oxidation boned its functionality!

Puffers · Mar 7, 2013

weedsmkn said:
anyone have info on the nail they sell on the delta9 site? i bought one a while back, and its beed good to me, just wondering if its safe to use.

Whats bad is i am pretty sure my buddy has that exact nail, i remember thinking about how cheap it looked compared to mine, less ti for heat retention, and small walls for the cup pretty sure thats the one....

mrboote said:
Note, I know the one I ,have from ogb is a re-engineered bone screw

I gotta cpl of them in my legs handy things them Ti bone screws, almost want an ogb nail as a novelty item now :lol:

Bob Loblaw said:
smoking aluminum can increase chance of Alzheimer's, iirc. glad i stopped smoking outta soda cans when i was in my teens (glass pipes didn't exist then and no one had a hundred bucks for a bong)

I know eeechhhh the shit i used to combust out of when i was dumb teenager man.... we used to mcguyver all kinds of smoking utensils from tinfoil. I have used straight tinfoil pipes for quick 1 hitters in a pinch, bowls for home made bongs when you couldn't find the right size socket, soda cans, yeeeesh i need to stop thinking about it hahahaha my family already has a history of Alzheimer's (and Parkinson's for that matter too) good thing cannabis helps prevent it, because upon reflection i may need all the help i can get :lol:

mrboote · Mar 7, 2013

DubCRider said:
You do not want Grade 5 Ti, you want grade 2. You want the purest Ti content available, not aluminum to make it stronger.

I definitely wasn't trying to tell anybody to get or use a grade 5 nail. I was saying the preferred grade 2 isn't somehow more durable than the inferior grade five. Something flaking, crumbling, and attracting magnets isn't likely any grade of ti.

Bouldorado · Mar 7, 2013

yeah it's only gonna be magnetic if it has iron in it

BigDaddyVapor · Mar 7, 2013

My nail doesn't look anything like that. The only thing I've seen fall, brush or wipe off it, is reclaim.

I wouldn't ever use anything looking remotely like that.

Puffers · Mar 8, 2013

just realized my last post regarding my buddies nail I misquoted weedsmkn who was speaking of the D9 nail. I meant to quote DubC's nasty nail picture. Didn't mean to imply that D9's nail may be bad. I have no experience with there nail.

weedsmkn · Mar 8, 2013

Thanks for the clarify Puffers. Thing that worries me is its not on their site anymore and it was only like $45 bucks. although they make the Omi... so that buys them some cred @delta9vapes wanna chime in?

BigDaddyVapor · Mar 8, 2013

I just want to make clear, I'm not trying to be combative. I appreciate the info and I can tell you... I am DEFINITELY watching my nail a Hell of a lot closer than I otherwise would be. I'm just passing on my experience with this particular nail, so far.

Oh and I forgot to answer. The amount of oxidation I see, is not much. After heating the nail, I see a ring of it, around the inside edge.

Once I get a bigger dome, I also have a really nice Boro nail, that my LHS friend hand-picked (no bubbles, whatsoever) for me.

matthend · Mar 11, 2013

So here is my OGB nail after some pretty heavy use the past few weeks. Seems fine to me, opinions?

DubCRider · Mar 11, 2013

You want to watch for pitting or cracks. If the nail starts to degrade over time, it's too good to be true. The nail I pictured above was about a year old and had 4 people using it daily, plus guests. Now that you have a picture to base your findings against I would assess in another month and compare. If you notice anything different looking I would toss it.

How much are the OGB nails sold for?

matthend · Mar 11, 2013

I paid just over $50 with the dome... Just used it again actually, still tastes fabulous. thanks for the help man, I will definitely keep my eye on it

Fully Melted · Mar 14, 2013

Since that is a cut down bolt from China, does it matter what a good deal it was? Or that isn't a safe material? People will buy whatever is cheap and worry about health once they have health issues... but that's too late. Right?

To answer the question on why a Ti nail no longer heats like it used to. It wasn't a safe grade of Ti and all the torching "boiled" some of the toxic alloys from it changing it's physical characteristics. Safe grades of Ti will not be modified by heating!*

That's why rocket engine exhaust cones, planes and other items that use safe Ti grades protect the astronauts and pilots asses. But it's only brain function loss and cancer...and no one really needs those things (brains or organs), so hit that Chi-Ti! (or vanadium, copper, aluminum etc.)

*Ti does change slightly over many heating cycles but this will not be noticed with a CP "human safe" grade of metal.

HOT TIP: Buy a NAME BRAND! DO NOT TRUST AUCTION SITES. A cheap nail is $30. A safe real CP grade 2 or higher nail is only about double that and will last for years. Plus the extra $30usd is lot cheaper than a single month being taken off your life.

Let's get the rip off artists out of out lungs and brains. Why should paraphernalia ever be unhealthy? Unless it's to steal your cash.

matthend · Mar 14, 2013

Fully Melted said:
Since that is a cut down bolt from China, does it matter what a good deal it was? Or that isn't a safe material? People will buy whatever is cheap and worry about health once they have health issues... but that's too late. Right?

To answer the question on why a Ti nail no longer heats like it used to. It wasn't a safe grade of Ti and all the torching "boiled" some of the toxic alloys from it changing it's physical characteristics. Safe grades of Ti will not be modified by heating!*

That's why rocket engine exhaust cones, planes and other items that use safe Ti grades protect the astronauts and pilots asses. But it's only brain function loss and cancer...and no one really needs those things (brains or organs), so hit that Chi-Ti! (or vanadium, copper, aluminum etc.)

*Ti does change slightly over many heating cycles but this will not be noticed with a CP "human safe" grade of metal.

HOT TIP: Buy a NAME BRAND! DO NOT TRUST AUCTION SITES. A cheap nail is $30. A safe real CP grade 2 or higher nail is only about double that and will last for years. Plus the extra $30usd is lot cheaper than a single month being taken off your life.

Let's get the rip off artists out of out lungs and brains. Why should paraphernalia ever be unhealthy? Unless it's to steal your cash.

Is this my nail you are referring to? the one I pictured a few posts back?

BigDaddyVapor · Mar 15, 2013

b0 · Mar 16, 2013

OGB nails are not safe then?

Armerad · Mar 17, 2013

About to drop some dough on a dab setup for myself, any comments before I take the plunge?
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/highly-educated-v3-titanium-turbine-top-14-mm.html
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/highly-educated-v3-titanium-thin-fins-14-mm.html
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/highly-educated-v3-1-75-titanium-shaft.html
http://www.amazon.com/BonJour-Crème-Brûlée-Professional-Culinary/dp/B001DITG5S/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=O4CM1F1VW6GA&coliid=I2AMZWWX2MUETR
As well as 4 320mL Quintuplus Vector fuel cans

All going on the Rx Bub in my signature.

z9 · Mar 17, 2013

Armerad said:
About to drop some dough on a dab setup for myself, any comments before I take the plunge?
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/highly-educated-v3-titanium-turbine-top-14-mm.html
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/highly-educated-v3-titanium-thin-fins-14-mm.html
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/highly-educated-v3-1-75-titanium-shaft.html
http://www.amazon.com/BonJour-Crème-Brûlée-Professional-Culinary/dp/B001DITG5S/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=O4CM1F1VW6GA&coliid=I2AMZWWX2MUETR
As well as 4 320mL Quintuplus Vector fuel cans

All going on the Rx Bub in my signature.

I can't comment on the torch, but that Ti setup looks nice. You'll be happy with that nail. I want a ti nail with a head like that. Get a glass nail too; so that you can taste the difference, sometimes I prefer my boro glass nails over quartz/ti. Depends on what kind of mood I'm in. There's a lot of hate towards boro glass nails because they break, but they'll usually last a long time if they aren't your daily driver.

mrboote · Mar 17, 2013

I have the cheaper version of that torch, It's great. I can't see how more rugged all-metal construction could hurt anything. I also have a HE turbine top and I like it very much. Only two things I think I can contribute: If the piece has the clearance, I'd consider getting as long as a shaft as possible if you're not using a counterweight. Maybe even get 2 sizes of shaft (they're cheap) for multiple set-ups. I find the 3" shaft the best way to get stability with a "traditionally" angled bong downstem. Also consider the dualiti domeless. I think it's maybe 10 bucks or more than what you were considering, and it works 14/18 mm joints. I have one on order now that they're back in stock, but my old nail will see service around more accident-prone individuals. I think the domed style are generally safer to use.

[edit]oh yeah, I find torches break readily enough that buying from a local shop is worth it for the rapid exchange. Bed Bath and Beyond has their vector knock-off for 29 bucks.

matthend · Mar 17, 2013

so seriously, what about my OGB nail??? I have been using the hell out of it

SD_haze · Mar 17, 2013

Armerad said:
About to drop some dough on a dab setup for myself, any comments before I take the plunge?
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/highly-educated-v3-titanium-turbine-top-14-mm.html
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/highly-educated-v3-titanium-thin-fins-14-mm.html
http://aqualabtechnologies.com/highly-educated-v3-1-75-titanium-shaft.html
http://www.amazon.com/BonJour-Crème-Brûlée-Professional-Culinary/dp/B001DITG5S/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=O4CM1F1VW6GA&coliid=I2AMZWWX2MUETR
As well as 4 320mL Quintuplus Vector fuel cans

All going on the Rx Bub in my signature.

If you add up those 3 things you'll come to a total almost 20% less than a put-together V3 nail. The difference is, you're missing the counterweight (which is $20 by itself)

That brings it to $85 total which is $5 more than the 14mm 1.75in HE put-together nail.

Only difference is the put-together nail has the basic flat "Cap" head and you were buying the turbine top which has the spike in the middle. So, up to you there.
:buzz:

Armerad · Mar 17, 2013

SD_haze said:
If you add up those 3 things you'll come to a total almost 20% less than a put-together V3 nail. The difference is, you're missing the counterweight (which is $20 by itself)

I was planning on foregoing a counterweight in favor of a longer shaft. The interior weld connecting my downstem to the male joint is sort've "bulky" so I'm not sure a counterweight would fit well anyways.

In regards to the domeless nails, I'm going with a dome because I like the worked one which matches my bubbler, and for the offchance that I want to take a dab with a fan/breeze going on. I'll probably just buy an 18mm fin (~30$) when the time comes to use an 18mm jointed piece.

As far as the torches go, on Amazon they're both within like a dollar of eachother and I figured I may as well spent the neglible difference for a more quality piece (I compared the reviews for the two).

I suppose if there aren't any last minute naysayers, I'll go ahead and place my orders. :clap:

Edit: Just placed my orders...Stuff should start rolling in this Wednesday, and I'll have everything by next Tuesday!

mrboote · Mar 17, 2013

Armerad said:
In regards to the domeless nails, I'm going with a dome because I like the worked one which matches my bubbler

Yeah, now that I looked at your custom worked dome I take back my domeless recommendation.

matthend said:
so seriously, what about my OGB nail??? I have been using the hell out of it

It's your health, I'd do some research myself than ask a forum full of non-experts. If you are concerned about what grade nail you have, I suggest you contact the retailer you bought it from. I personally think erring on the side of caution in the matter is worth the less than 100 bucks a high-quality nail is gonna run you.

Bouldorado · Mar 17, 2013

Is the price of the nail really a good indicator of quality?

Some quick research I did:
A grade 2 Ti plate 12" (30.48 cm) x 12" x 19.05mm = 1770 cubic cm = $802
The grade 2 Ti data sheet. Density of Ti = .163 lb/cubic in =4.51g/cubic cm
Multiply this by the volume, 1770cc, and that plate weighs 7982.7g
Divide cost by weight, and you'll find each gram of grade 2 costs....a whopping 10 cents

My [small] 14mm Ti nail weighs 5.6g. Tripling that would probably be a good estimate for an average 18mm nail. So, a 16.8g nail would only use $1.68 worth of Ti. This number is certainly lower for big companies (such as HE) since they get better bulk pricing.

Since the cost of actual Ti is so low, it's bullshit to call a nail lower quality simply because of it's selling price. It is 100% feasible that cheap nails from less established and/or ebay retailers are in fact grade 2.

Armerad · Mar 17, 2013

The milling process for Titanium isn't 100% efficient. You pay the costs of the cut material, not just the chunk you receive as the finished product. There's also the massive cost of equipment, software, design time, bills, etc as well as eventual actual profit, all of which have to be gained in sale increment at a time.

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