Discontinued ThermoVape Revolution for concentrates

kertong-

Try your pure flow with something tasty like a nice Scotch or Bourbon (my preference).

Cleaned mine up and soaked it briefly in some Wild Turkey Rare Breed.

Oh my

Because of the warmth the alcohol evaporates nicely into the airstream entering your mouth. Plus you need to keep "refreshing" it because of the faster evaporation

Got my regular Dart, thing works amazing. Swear it works better than my window'd version. HUGE clouds.

Sinclue said:

kertong-

Try your pure flow with something tasty like a nice Scotch or Bourbon (my preference).

Cleaned mine up and soaked it briefly in some Wild Turkey Rare Breed.

Oh my

Because of the warmth the alcohol evaporates nicely into the airstream entering your mouth. Plus you need to keep "refreshing" it because of the faster evaporation

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oh man, going to try that now! now.. do I start with something cheap, or do i go straight to the top shelf single malts... hmmm. or maybe i'll put one drop rye whiskey, one drop sweet vermouth, and a quick spray of some bitters..

bruno13 said:

Yes, mine does, like crazy.

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Ok, when I hold my button on without puffing I will get a small amount of vapor leaking out. Just barely enough to say it's there. When I then puff on it lightly I will get an ok hit but nothing even close to what I'm seeing you guys do in the videos. I don't think my technique is the problem. My concentrate seems to be great quality to me. I do make it myself but when I'm done with it it's clear and tastes very clean.
I'm going to soak and boil mine once more. Hopefully this will change things. I really want to like this thing.......

kertong said:

oh man, going to try that now! now.. do I start with something cheap, or do i go straight to the top shelf single malts... hmmm. or maybe i'll put one drop rye whiskey, one drop sweet vermouth, and a quick spray of some bitters..

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Its only a few drops...top shelf all the way!

Darb said:

Ok, when I hold my button on without puffing I will get a small amount of vapor leaking out. Just barely enough to say it's there. When I then puff on it lightly I will get an ok hit but nothing even close to what I'm seeing you guys do in the videos. I don't think my technique is the problem. My concentrate seems to be great quality to me. I do make it myself but when I'm done with it it's clear and tastes very clean.
I'm going to soak and boil mine once more. Hopefully this will change things. I really want to like this thing.......

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Well the way I see it you have narrowed it down to three possibile problems: your concentrate, your power source, or your revolution itself.

If you can't try a different concentrate can you try a different/fully charged battery?

I don't think it's healthy to inhale alcohol vapors.

JoeKickass said:

Well the way I see it you have narrowed it down to three possibile problems: your concentrate, your power source, or your revolution itself.

If you can't try a different concentrate can you try a different/fully charged battery?

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I know the batteries are good. They work perfect in my Persei. I'm %100 sure concentrate quality isn't an issue but could be wrong I guess....I fully purge my bho, then dissolve in ISO, freeze, triple filter, dissolve ISO, then oven purge. It's usually light brown but completely see through. Better than what I can get at my dispensary up here in Canada.

Darb said:

Ok, when I hold my button on without puffing I will get a small amount of vapor leaking out. Just barely enough to say it's there. When I then puff on it lightly I will get an ok hit but nothing even close to what I'm seeing you guys do in the videos. I don't think my technique is the problem. My concentrate seems to be great quality to me. I do make it myself but when I'm done with it it's clear and tastes very clean.
I'm going to soak and boil mine once more. Hopefully this will change things. I really want to like this thing.......

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'Puffing on it lightly' is the only way you'll get a strong hit. Very lightly indeed. Pull harder and you'll pull cold air in and stall it out like with MFLB. Please try this test:

From cold fire it off holding the base of the cart with thumb and forefinger of the other hand. At 10 to 15 seconds out you should go through 'I think it's getting hotter' to 'yes, it's getting hotter' to 'wow, this thing can really heat up hot' in about as much time as it takes to read. Maybe 4 or 5 seconds until you're ready to abort. At that point, full production is going on, you should be able to start drawing it off over maybe the next ten seconds.

Anyway, how fast is yours heating? Does it follow that pattern?

Another thought is charge weight. I'm thinking you need something close to .25 grams of oil in there (from clean) before it's 'conditioned' uniformly inside. From cold I load 100 mg and try it before adding another 50. At that point I usually get some fair production and hit it a few times and add another 50, melt it in and consider it 'ready to go'. In testing I've done this a dozen times or more in the last few months, it seems like a good guideline to me. This is using good grade wax or oil.

How much (in weight) are you loading?

OF

OF said:

'Puffing on it lightly' is the only way you'll get a strong hit. Very lightly indeed. Pull harder and you'll pull cold air in and stall it out like with MFLB. Please try this test:

From cold fire it off holding the base of the cart with thumb and forefinger of the other hand. At 10 to 15 seconds out you should go through 'I think it's getting hotter' to 'yes, it's getting hotter' to 'wow, this thing can really heat up hot' in about as much time as it takes to read. Maybe 4 or 5 seconds until you're ready to abort. At that point, full production is going on, you should be able to start drawing it off over maybe the next ten seconds.

Anyway, how fast is yours heating? Does it follow that pattern?

Another thought is charge weight. I'm thinking you need something close to .25 grams of oil in there (from clean) before it's 'conditioned' uniformly inside. From cold I load 100 mg and try it before adding another 50. At that point I usually get some fair production and hit it a few times and add another 50, melt it in and consider it 'ready to go'. In testing I've done this a dozen times or more in the last few months, it seems like a good guideline to me. This is using good grade wax or oil.

How much (in weight) are you loading?

OF

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I too have been having what sounds like this exact problem.
It started with a normal REV and would not seem to work. Symptoms sound the same as Darb.
Now that particular REV went bad and sent back to TV for replacement. Unfortunately they sent me a LV as the replacement. I am expecting a proper replacement soon. Now I had the LV and lots of 3.7 volt batteries so figured WTF and proceeded to try it. Using the same lube as before I got into the same bind where only whisps while heating and diddly when try to take in. All indicators seemed like the dam thing just wasn't getting hot enough. Although both units gave nice glow before adding the lube. BTW, it is just cheap ISO oil.
Well as this LV was basically a freeby and I really don't what to be switching batteries around, figured time to play. My thinking was either the unit was stamped wrong with the LV stamp and was indeed running too cold OR the oil was just gumming it up causing element not to heat. I had already went through the cleaning boiling etc with the first unit and know this one was not flooded but had lots of lube. (at least it looked that way) So far with both units I was down 750 mg of lube and only a head ache from pulling gentle, hard, upside down, one hand behind my back, etc.
So I used my variable power supply to sneak up the volts a bit. At 5.3 volts I got it pulling nicely.
Finially it was working. Did not want to push my luck.
So this is where I was really confused,
Working nicely at what I would consider a little too much current. 3 Amp. Also, was an odd voltage and didn't know if maybe my assumption of wrongly stamped was maybe correct? But was so reluctant to try the 6 volt batteries. Would be close to 4 amps but thought the TV was close to 6 amps.
Well, again WTF and tried a couple half dead batteries and said bye-bye to the LV......yep, killed immediately. Well at least good for folks to know as I'm sure people wonder if they could pull that off or NOT.
So, is there a bright side here? Expecting a new HV REV but still have the same lube so I'm thinking I'm going to just go through the problems again. Is the lube to blame?
I dis-assembled the failed LV and the coil was burnt open in the center as expected and was very black but had much un-vaped lube around it.
Might just pack in the idea of the REV as the T1 is doing a very nice job for me.
(BTW OF, found excellent PS for the PA, let me know if your interested.)
:/

Pipes said:

So, is there a bright side here? Expecting a new HV REV but still have the same lube so I'm thinking I'm going to just go through the problems again. Is the lube to blame?
I dis-assembled the failed LV and the coil was burnt open in the center as expected and was very black but had much un-vaped lube around it.
Might just pack in the idea of the REV as the T1 is doing a very nice job for me.
(BTW OF, found excellent PS for the PA, let me know if your interested.)
:/

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I agree, if you've done nothing different running the same experiment will give the same result. Or at least it should. Expecting otherwise is a common definition of Insanity. I suspect it's the oil you're using, but don't know what the issue is there. I'll bet it's making temperature fine. Sounds like maybe it's not soaking it for whatever reason?

Anyway, go with what works for you. I think the T1 is a great machine. In your place, I'd run with it I think.

Yes, please pass the details. I was looking at at $35 switcher from Jameco, 0 to 20 Amps worth.

TIA

OF

SF Giant said:

I don't think it's healthy to inhale alcohol vapors.

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vapor is fine, combusion w/ alcohol = bad

OF said:

'Puffing on it lightly' is the only way you'll get a strong hit. Very lightly indeed. Pull harder and you'll pull cold air in and stall it out like with MFLB. Please try this test:

From cold fire it off holding the base of the cart with thumb and forefinger of the other hand. At 10 to 15 seconds out you should go through 'I think it's getting hotter' to 'yes, it's getting hotter' to 'wow, this thing can really heat up hot' in about as much time as it takes to read. Maybe 4 or 5 seconds until you're ready to abort. At that point, full production is going on, you should be able to start drawing it off over maybe the next ten seconds.

Anyway, how fast is yours heating? Does it follow that pattern?

Another thought is charge weight. I'm thinking you need something close to .25 grams of oil in there (from clean) before it's 'conditioned' uniformly inside. From cold I load 100 mg and try it before adding another 50. At that point I usually get some fair production and hit it a few times and add another 50, melt it in and consider it 'ready to go'. In testing I've done this a dozen times or more in the last few months, it seems like a good guideline to me. This is using good grade wax or oil.

How much (in weight) are you loading?

OF

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Thanks once again for the help OF.
Just loaded a freshly charged set of batteries. Hold switch down....15 seconds in I can feel a little warmth.
It's a full 30 seconds before I would consider it "hot" but still not too hot that I couldn't hold on to it. At this point I'm not getting any vapor coming from the top. From the videos I've watched it seems like I should.
I'm loading approximately what you suggest. About .25 to start and then after a few small hits I load another .1 or so.

Darb said:

Thanks once again for the help OF.
Just loaded a freshly charged set of batteries. Hold switch down....15 seconds in I can feel a little warmth.
It's a full 30 seconds before I would consider it "hot" but still not too hot that I couldn't hold on to it. At this point I'm not getting any vapor coming from the top. From the videos I've watched it seems like I should.
I'm loading approximately what you suggest. About .25 to start and then after a few small hits I load another .1 or so.

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You're welcome, let's hope we can get it sorted out. Doesn't sound like we're making lots of progress yet.
Too bad we can't try an alternative concentrate.....

I'm questioning it, though. That's more than I start with so it might be slower because of that. But it should still produce. Does the oil seem 'normal' to you? How do you normally consume it?

Don't put any stock in seeing vapor seeping out, that varies a whole lot with conditions. We want, I think, to focus on the right heat and available concentrate. Given those two, vapor 'has to form'.

It glowed normally when new, right?

OF

OF said:

You're welcome, let's hope we can get it sorted out. Doesn't sound like we're making lots of progress yet.
Too bad we can't try an alternative concentrate.....

I'm questioning it, though. That's more than I start with so it might be slower because of that. But it should still produce. Does the oil seem 'normal' to you? How do you normally consume it?

Don't put any stock in seeing vapor seeping out, that varies a whole lot with conditions. We want, I think, to focus on the right heat and available concentrate. Given those two, vapor 'has to form'.

It glowed normally when new, right?

OF

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It glowed normally when new.
The concentrate seems "normal". Fully purged, light brown, and transparent.
I use it in my persei with no issues.
The dispensary oil works no better.
I'm going to soak and boil now.
Will then try again with less concentrate.

Darb said:

It glowed normally when new.
The concentrate seems "normal". Fully purged, light brown, and transparent.
I use it in my persei with no issues.
The dispensary oil works no better.
I'm going to soak and boil now.
Will then try again with less concentrate.

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I didn't realize another 'assumed good' concentrate didn't work, that should say it's not the problem. You're running this on Persei, not V2? That's about what I see with V2, but that's a known issue there.

Another idea is to try the same 'hold it up while it heats' test empty (after the clean), try to get a baseline to see what the load is adding to that?

Fingers crossed.

OF

I had a similar issue with using some shitty qwiso, it would hit ok for a toke or two and then it would only let off wisps like it wasnt getting hot enough. I continued to load more thinking maybe it was just underfilled but performance only got worse. I'm not sure what the problem was with this oil, i washed it from pure SD kief, maybe it was too resiny or waxy to properly vape? But in any case my rev would not work with any other oils either until i THOROUGHLY cleaned my rev. I recommend soaking in iso and blowing the excess iso out into a paper towell over and over until it runs clear (this takes me around 12 reps of refilling/blowing out) and then giving it a boil. If you do this and then try a different oil i'd bet you'll see great results

SF Giant said:

I recommend soaking in iso and blowing the excess iso out into a paper towell over and over until it runs clear (this takes me around 12 reps of refilling/blowing out) and then giving it a boil. If you do this and then try a different oil i'd bet you'll see great results

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Excellent point. I did exactly that my first week or two, jammed it up messing with bubble hash. A boil did no good with the SD oil that had worked great before so I did 3 minutes in ISO in the ultrasonic sink and boiled again. The ultrasonics pumps the solvent around like SFG suggests. It just became part of the routine. I have a vial with an ounce or so of ISO in it, the piece goes in the vial, the cap is put back on and the lot goes into the bowl of the sink for 180 seconds (default on the unit). Then into boiling water.

I don't know what gummed up the surface of the ceramic, but it sure didn't want to work afterwards, ISO fixed it, good catch.

Another idea on the problem comes to mind. Are test puffs being used? There are reports of 'only sub standard vapor' but if the test puff comes up negative there should be no vapor because there's no pull. Pull early enough and hard enough and it'll never get the whole body up to temperature and really put out. Some vapor shows some part of the assembly is hot enough but not all of it (or it needs more oil, unlikely now). Heat being generated is now going into heating the rest of the core up to working temperature; drawing any air stops that process right there and shifts to air heating and (modest) production. With no draw, evaporation (taking energy) and condensation (giving up heat) are happening in that little 'fog bank' on the surface. No net energy is lost. All heat added to the system is going to making it hotter. If you draw that (modest) vapor off, it has to be replaced and that costs energy we need elsewhere. If the test puff isn't seriously thick, wait a second or two and try again. Don't 'take what you can get' when you get that close.

OF

After a few days with the DART LV I can say the learning curve is pretty steep. The first initial hits were full flavored and thick but I've found subsequent hits to be whispy and taste bad. I'm not loading more than a 100mg at a time, usually more like 50mg and I get the feeling the unit is flooded. Priming for 20-40 seconds from a cold start just to be safe and still, all I'm hearing is a sizzling sound when I load the concentrate and sip. The unit is so hot I can't hold the button down on the EGO-T batt that I'm using so heat doesn't seem to be the issue. Doing a thorough soak/boil and dry and then I'll give it another go. Hoping for the best, I ordered two DARTS and both are giving similar results so far.

OF said:

so I did 3 minutes in ISO in the ultrasonic sink and boiled again.

OF

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I too use an ultrasonic sink (although it is an inexpensive one designed more for jewelry sized items) and find it works great.

However I was told that using ISO in the ultrasonic cleaner was a big no no. If you've lived to tell about it I guess perhaps not so much a no no as I thought.

Anything special about your "sink" that would allow ISO where mine might not?

Sinclue said:

I too use an ultrasonic sink (although it is an inexpensive one designed more for jewelry sized items) and find it works great.


Anything special about your "sink" that would allow ISO where mine might not?

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That's basically what mine is, no need for lots of power, the load is small.

Yes, absolutely, don't ever fill it with flammable stuff and fire it up! That's sucking around for a vapor explosion of the first order. I use a small vial (one ounce?) 3/4 full of ISO. Put the part in and put the cap back on. Then with an inch and a half or so of fluid of most any sort (like jewelery cleaner) stand the vial on one of the nodes and let it go. The energy couples through just fine. The vapors are confined, you get to keep the house.

OF

Dart porn.

OF said:

That's basically what mine is, no need for lots of power, the load is small.

Yes, absolutely, don't ever fill it with flammable stuff and fire it up! That's sucking around for a vapor explosion of the first order. I use a small vial (one ounce?) 3/4 full of ISO. Put the part in and put the cap back on. Then with an inch and a half or so of fluid of most any sort (like jewelery cleaner) stand the vial on one of the nodes and let it go. The energy couples through just fine. The vapors are confined, you get to keep the house.

OF

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Thanks. Knew you'd have a way.

Sinclue said:

Thanks. Knew you'd have a way.

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You're welcome. You know what they say, "There's a way to cheat at everything".

OF

Bruno, I have to ask about the blue O rings...??? decoration or functional? Nice photo BTW