Discontinued Vapir NO2

I'm pretty vocal when I'm pleased with a product also.

Any internet forum has real appeal when they are supporting the forum members. That's hard to do because at some point the forum owner has to pay for the forum, its maintenance, and web-hosting. This is especially true once the membership ranks swell. Bandwidth can really cost. So at some point, any forum naturally looks for sponsors. Google Adwords at a minimum. Then we have the political correctness start.

That's fine. I don't own the forum. You're telling me you're a mod. I'd prefer not to be banned, so I have to comply, right?

willieR said:

So at some point, any forum naturally looks for sponsors. Google Adwords at a minimum. Then we have the political correctness start.

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It's not all about money or sponsors. It is about saying negative things once and letting it rest at that.
It is about not further "bashing" a person, product or idea after you have had your fair say about what was negative about it to you personally.
I happen to look forward to your posts, willieR... I am a fan of your comments!
I think that on this topic, Max is right.

Vitolo said:

It is about not further "bashing" a person, product or idea after you have had your fair say about what was negative about it to you personally.

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Here's another perspective on this Vit.

The way this site is designed, the threads can get rather lengthy. If one has a particular stance on a product, it can get lost many posts back if counter stances occur more recently, so if one feels that their opinion is important and wants it to stay relevant within the mix of counter opinions, then one feels compelled to restate their original thoughts, eh, ESPECIALLY if those opinions are totally diametrically opposed to one another.

Exactly lwien

lwien said:

... then one feels compelled to restate their original thoughts, eh...

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Yes I see the desire to bring one's point back to the discussion's view!

Hello, I have owned a N02 since last november or early december. I guess luckily for me the product had been working perfectly. No smell, perfect vapor and the charge held for 4 to 5 20 minuet intervals. So I say had because last week I used the N02 at night and plugged it in and let it charge. I woke up and went to use the N02 and I noticed that there was melted plastic around the rim. This is when I realized the N02 was on even though the light was out and it had been 8 hours.

Now whenever I turn on my N02 plugged in or not the unit will start heating up. Now that would not be horrible but my 20 minuet time off is broken so It never stops heating and the thermometer is horribly broken. I set it to 365 but it reads 372 yet I could easily tell that it was much hotter. This causes herbs to burn up in mear seconds. So it never stops heating it no longer regulates the heat. Sadly this causes a very potent plastic smell when it reaches a high temperature, well above 400.

Now this happend over night and I have treated this product very very well so I have absolutely no idea how this happened. But if anyone has any insight or ideas how I could go about fixing it that would be incredibly helpful. If not I will just have to pick another one up because I really liked it >>.

So hopefully someone will have some idea what I could attempt to do to remedy this problem. Thanks for your help!

The sensor unit that is supposed to shut the unit off after 20 minutes of inactivity is shot.
If you got your unit from an "Authorized Distributer", then they will honor your warranty if the unit is within time frame.
I don't understand about the unit being able to reach temps above 400. They made 400 the ceiling to avoid the plastic being affected.
If you are not under warranty, but like the unit, I would buy one that is cheaper, and sold through another vape seller. There are some on Amazon for around 100 and some on ebay also.

Ultimately, guys, state your opinions and call it a day. As moderators, we are trying to nip any 'tradhead's in the bud. Search 'tradhead' in the Iolite thread to get what I'm talking about. The guy just wouldn't shut the fuck up.

It's hard enough dealing with lwien on a daily basis!

lwien makes this a better forum.

I purchsed my NO2 about a week ago, and have slowly been catching up with this thread in that time.

There definitely IS a strange tinge of taste. It has diminished in the past week, but not disappeared. However, it is almost of no concern to me anymore. A few of my friends have tried my NO2 also, and they didn't bring up any plasticky smell/taste.

That being said, the NO2 is my first vaporizer and I'm definitely looking to expand. At this point, it's either a desktop unit (a Volcano is one of the options, I'd really like to try a "bag" type vaporizer before I'd make the purchase, though) or an MFLB for ultra-portability. The NO2 is great if I have my backpack or a friend with a purse around, but the pocketability of the MFLB is a huge draw! Plus, I'm a photographer and always have a few AA eneloops in my bag for my flashes. Seems like a good match.

I usually start the NO2 at 170C and slowly ramp up to around 190C. However, after reading this thread and a few others, I'm going to try sticking to the 170-175 range and seeing how that works out.

Another thing I love about the NO2 is the fact that (if pre-loaded) operation is simple. You can turn it on and start vaping with one hand. Which brings me to another point: I've pre-loaded a few times and it doesn't seem to "waste" any of the herb. I'm sure there's some leakage in the minute or two it takes to warm up, though. Just not noticeable for me. I've also let the unit power down (and cool off, while taking hits to ensure I get all the good stuff) and later power the unit back on to finish whatever I had in the bowl. This works just fine, also - not sure if it makes it harder to clean, though.

All in all, my first vaporizer experience was pretty good. I'm definitely looking to get to a place where I have a vaporizer for every need (one for home/convenience, one for portability, maybe even one for ultra-portability, that kind of thing) and give up combustion all together. Currently, I'm planning to buy the MFLB off of Amazon ($95, free shipping). Can anyone recommend a reputable or more economical retailer?

Also, looking into a new "whip" or tubing. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with the one the NO2 came with, it just seems smart to have another option. Any ideas?

Thanks for reading!
Tim

i bought this a couple of months ago and i could taste the chemicals from the brass so i sold it.

Tim said:

Also, looking into a new "whip" or tubing. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with the one the NO2 came with, it just seems smart to have another option. Any ideas?
Tim

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I love my NO2. Every vape I buy, I study and read about first, and prepare prior to getting it with all extras possibel.( screens, tools, tubes, spare batteries)
The NO2 tube does get old even if cared for. I have not had to replace mine, but they do sell replacement tubes at reasonable rate. (or look at tubing and get your own!)
replacement tubing for any unit you own is always wise!
NO2 tubes- Ebay
set of 3 whip tubes

stickstones said:

Ultimately, guys, state your opinions and call it a day.

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Hey Stick, I got a question for you. Does your statement above apply to positive opinions as well as negative opinions?

The NO2 tube does get old even if cared for. I have not had to replace mine, but they do sell replacement tubes at reasonable rate. (or look at tubing and get your own!)

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not to start anything, but ... it would bother me that a main component of the vapor path degrades with use (and this is true of any vape, not just the NO2) ... i don't see that happen with borosilicate glass.

^^^ Fair point, but I'm not sure it is degrading as such. Not that I have a NO2, but from other 'whip' tubing experience I think it's just condensate and particulates accumulating, and even staining the material over the longer term. Glass is easier to chemically clean, and resists the staining.

That said, I have wondered with one of my latest bits of tubing- some 7th floor coloured stuff- that seems to have maybe hardened a little at the very end that gets inserted into the ssv wand. I'm not sure if it's not gone a little bit harder after being cooked in the hot air. I'm watching it, and if it is the case then I won't be too happy and will change my whip material. Never seen it before with silicone or the clear 7th floor stuff, but just this coloured stuff (I think it's pvc- which doesn't have good heat resistant properties as far as I'm aware)

i think of chemical properties of materials as being a continuum -- plasticizers leech out, regardless of temperature, just faster at higher temperature.

Hippie Dickie said:

... it would bother me that a main component of the vapor path degrades with use (and this is true of any vape, not just the NO2) ... i don't see that happen with borosilicate glass.

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Although I still am using my original tubing and mouthpiece (mainly to monitor original part's longevity), I could not agree more. I am a big Borasilicate fan!
For exactly this reason, here in my local Medical MJ Community, I recommend to those who own the NO2 to aquire this borasilicate mouthpiece (available at Half Baked Goods) and Tygon tubing (available almost anywhere).
original tubing and mouthpiece on the right

I have these replacement parts myself here to use, when the time comes, but for now I am monitoring the products original pieces, as with all of my vapes.

lwien said:

stickstones said:

Ultimately, guys, state your opinions and call it a day.

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Hey Stick, I got a question for you. Does your statement above apply to positive opinions as well as negative opinions?

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Here's your answer-

Don't attack products or companies.

And

Rules are interpreted and applied at staff discretion.

We've also decided, quite a while back, not to allow questions/discussion about materials safety in vape specific threads. This can be done in the General section. It's not a perfect solution, but there is none that will satisfy everyone, and we're not going to spend more time modding this thread than the rest of the forum combined. So that's the deal, like it or not.

Ummm........That question was more tongue in cheek than a serious question. I was actually expecting a response back from Stick along the lines of, "STFU, asshole" which would have brought about a few chuckles and more in line with the intent of my post in the first place.

Guess sometimes light-hearted sarcasm can get lost in the written word which is the reason that I put the winking smile on the end of that sentence, but obviously, that didn't work either.

Thanks for the links, Vitolo. While looking at those tubes, I realized how much I would like a "closing" valve to ensure that there would be no leakage between hits (sometimes I let it sit for a few minutes while I do something else).

I might attempt to make one.

I dont think there could be leakage, as the herb is in an enclosed chamber that is very small, that would likely not allow any airflow unless drawn upon.

But I am up for new ideas!
Invention, and experimentation/implementation is a very fun part of vaporization, and I would try a valve that you invent!
How about a "cap" of some sort perhaps one that stays attached by a tab like the old soda bottle fizz savers, or a pop up valve like on a dish soap bottle. Some bag style vapes use a valve like that.
If you make one, let's see it!

lwien said:

stickstones said:

Ultimately, guys, state your opinions and call it a day.

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Hey Stick, I got a question for you. Does your statement above apply to positive opinions as well as negative opinions?

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Nope...you may continue to tell me how great I am at every opportunity!

stickstones said:

.....you may continue to tell me how great I am at every opportunity!

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Ditto.

lwien said:

Ummm........That question was more tongue in cheek than a serious question. I was actually expecting a response back from Stick along the lines of, "STFU, asshole" which would have brought about a few chuckles and more in line with the intent of my post in the first place.

Guess sometimes light-hearted sarcasm can get lost in the written word which is the reason that I put the winking smile on the end of that sentence, but obviously, that didn't work either.

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This thread has been a big contentious mess since about page 2, and a big headache for me for almost that long- between people accused of being company shills, at least one dealer praising the vape, and others crusading against Vapir and this model in particular. Since you've been active on both those fronts, you'll have to forgive me for not recognizing your switch to lighthearted humor. I made my own, sort of anti-Vapir posts early in the thread, so I'm no fan. But we've had nothing but problems when we allow discussion of safe materials in a vape thread. If someone wants to review this model (assuming they've actually used it), say it smells/tastes bad, and speculate that it may not be safe, then we may allow it, if they don't go overboard. But that will be considered a part of the review, and further discussion on the safety aspect will be put to rest. You could question the safety of most of the vapes on the market if you really wanted, and vapor itself, especially at higher temps, but currently, it's all just speculation. The N02 may be an easy target, but we'll still restrict safety issues to the General Vaporization section, avoiding specific product names.

max said:

Since you've been active on both those fronts, you'll have to forgive me for not recognizing your switch to lighthearted humor.

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Totally understandable, max.