Discontinued The Grasshopper

5meo? May be as a goodie but hey, it's GHL! Do you hope for wonders?
But it's getting wet for sure if licked well

Nice picture. hoppers all around the world are sitting in a cafe and what are they doing? Vaping? No. they are licking their leather sleeves - sounds a little bit like Monty Pythons

Got my SS Hopper back after 5th RMA (I think ... it's been so long I'm losing track!)

It works great! About 24 hours in and 5-10 bowls and no problems.

Light behaviour does seem to have changed ... the blue flashing when you "push" it through a really long and/or hard draw shows up indicating you are pushing the heater but performance doesn't drop. If you slow your draw when this happens you can get the solid blue back ... anyways light flashing not a problem but just provides more info when taking a hit ...

Hoping it will last!

JCat said:

Got my SS Hopper back after 5th RMA (I think ... it's been so long I'm losing track!)

It works great! About 24 hours in and 5-10 bowls and no problems.

Light behaviour does seem to have changed ... the blue flashing when you "push" it through a really long and/or hard draw shows up indicating you are pushing the heater but performance doesn't drop. If you slow your draw when this happens you can get the solid blue back ... anyways light flashing not a problem but just provides more info when taking a hit ...

Hoping it will last!

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I know you just got it back, but you should try cleaning the back end threads on the clicker and body. I had this issue with my Purple Ti as well and it seems a good cleaning stopped the issue with mine. Try it and see if it works for you as well. Good luck I hope you don't have anymore issues with it. I'm going on over a year with my OG Ti, (03/17/16).

Vapetrees said:

I know you just got it back, but you should try cleaning the back end threads on the clicker and body. I had this issue with my Purple Ti as well and it seems a good cleaning stopped the issue with mine. Try it and see if it works for you as well. Good luck I hope you don't have anymore issues with it. I'm going on over a year with my OG Ti, (03/17/16).

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Yeah ... on my list of things to do ... thing is .... it's not really an issue since it performs extremely well (can easily finish a full bowl in a single hit through water with massive clouds, flashing or no flashing)

Caroline has indicated to me prior that flashing blue lights are not necessarily indicative of a problem ... perhaps this is one of those times? Is this normal behaviour?

JCat said:

Yeah ... on my list of things to do ... thing is .... it's not really an issue since it performs extremely well (can easily finish a full bowl in a single hit through water with massive clouds, flashing or no flashing)

Caroline has indicated to me prior that flashing blue lights are not necessarily indicative of a problem ... perhaps this is one of those times? Is this normal behaviour?

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I always thought the lights flashed as the voltage of the battery dropped from 4.2 towards 3.7. Wasn't this intended by HL's to provide the user with some feedback as to the battery life. The lower the voltage the faster the flashing?

I figure if you are really pushing the device the heater is working harder and drawing more current from the battery so the voltage may be dropping fast enough to initiate the flashing.

From memory on a brand new battery I was getting the flashing after one or two hits anyway as they are only small batteries to begin with.

I also have found that as the battery gets older it's voltage drops quicker so the flashing happens more frequently and sooner.

GreenHopper said:

I always thought the lights flashed as the voltage of the battery dropped from 4.2 towards 3.7. Wasn't this intended by HL's to provide the user with some feedback as to the battery life. The lower the voltage the faster the flashing?

I figure if you are really pushing the device the heater is working harder and drawing more current from the battery so the voltage may be dropping fast enough to initiate the flashing.

From memory on a brand new battery I was getting the flashing after one or two hits anyway as they are only small batteries to begin with.

I also have found that as the battery gets older it's voltage drops quicker so the flashing happens more frequently and sooner.

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Thanks. I'll try a new battery and cleaning and report back.

Seems to match what I'm seeing to some degree. I see quicker flashing initially though followed by much slower flashing (all blue ... only see the slow flashing if I pull super long and hard ... and no decrease in performance throughout)

JCat said:

Thanks. I'll try a new battery and cleaning and report back.

Seems to match what I'm seeing to some degree. I see quicker flashing initially though followed by much slower flashing (all blue ... only see the slow flashing if I pull super long and hard ... and no decrease in performance throughout)

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I forgot to mention my hopper is almost a year since it's last RMA but my use of it has dropped to odd times when I'm out in public for an entire weekend. This is because I have other vapes to play with and I love having a hopper around for holidays, events and festivals so I try not to hammer it when I'm at home.

Weird about the flashing cadence, I could be wrong but I'm sure mine flashes faster as it drains.

Ohhh, this is all fitting together now.....

So, after a little over a year with my Ti, I had gotten used to storing it for a while, pulling it out, hating it not working, sending it in, getting it back, having it not work or stop working again, storing for a while......repeat.

This time, it's been a week and it's still working. And after reading all these posts about the blue lights possibly meaning something a little different now, I thought I'd try something.

Average vape producing bud, nothing special. Standard SLX grind and fluffy filled to the top. I ran it thru my Sticky Tube with an adapter and wow. Great taste in the first three hits, with nice clouds. The fourth hit confirmed it was dead.

And brown ABV. I've only seen this once before with my GH!



So a change in my perspective on those lights.....The only thing I did different is instead of taking a good firm pull like seemed had been the consensus, I watched the blue lights and if they flickered, I slowed down.

I instantly saw clouds when slowing down. Maybe mine is just running a bit cooler than others, but I'll be trying this out again dry thru a @DDave cooler during errands today, and really sort hope it works and spins my vaporizer usage into a mix!

**Edit for stoner typos and to add, when it returned this last time from RMA, they did buff out the two very large, deep scratches they put in the body the last time they had it, or replaced the body. Very nice for them to follow thru this time, they hadn't in the past.

GreenHopper said:

I always thought the lights flashed as the voltage of the battery dropped from 4.2 towards 3.7. Wasn't this intended by HL's to provide the user with some feedback as to the battery life. The lower the voltage the faster the flashing?

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We are always trying to read the tea leaves with this device, ain't we?

My GH is over a year old, is still working perfectly, never has had a hot back end, but is also used rather gently (that is, not multi-time per day, daily driver and used in the house almost exclusively and well cleaned afterwards).


When my blue lights start to flicker (very fast flicker) just a bit, I know that the battery is getting ready to go belly up and its time for a swap out.


If I knew I would get a unit as reliable and good functioning as this one, I would buy another.

Baron23 said:

We are always trying to read the tea leaves with this device, ain't we?

My GH is over a year old, is still working perfectly, never has had a hot back end, but is also used rather gently (that is, not multi-time per day, daily driver and used in the house almost exclusively and well cleaned afterwards).


When my blue lights start to flicker (very fast flicker) just a bit, I know that the battery is getting ready to go belly up and its time for a swap out.


If I knew I would get a unit as reliable and good functioning as this one, I would buy another.

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for the good of vaporists worldwide I beg u to send your hopper to HL so they can take it apart and identify what they did right with your's. Perhaps then they can replicate it, your sacrifice will go down in hopper history

The blue light on my new hopper flickers all the time, even with a new battery. Its not causing any problems that I know of? My older model that I lost didn't have a blue light flicker issue.

Eventually I probably will be sending my unit back because it has issues that I've posted before. I'm able to still enjoy this wonderful portable. HL just needs to get it right.

I've got a whole new take on the flickering blue lights. This is only a day of testing, so by no means conclusive, please bare that in mind.....

I believe that the blue lights flickering mean that the heater is incapable of keeping the temp you set with the supplied voltage. If you slow your draw, the flickering stops and it sure seems to me that I get better extraction, which would make sense. Keep the temps true and you get what you're expecting, possibly just a bit slower. If it were just an indication of voltage, once low you'd have a more difficult time getting it consistently solid again no?

Thinking about this will lead me towards continuing this test, but also dropping the temp on the dial to maybe 4 and see if I can still get vapor. I really couldn't get much in the past below 5.

@CarolKing , I've experienced the same thing. My newest batteries (maybe 2 months old, but rarely used) could come right off the charger at the end of the charge and I can drive it to flicker with a fast draw. If I slow it down, it goes steady again and continues to deliver as long as the load has something left.

I think pushing the heater too hard is also killing these miserably small batteries quicker than needed.

I must say that since I've been working better, the back end is getting scorching hot. To the point that I thought a few times I had gotten a shock off the back end. It got so hot so fast that it felt like a shock. It's possible with the RH around 85% all the time, that I was in the current path and getting a surface shock thru thick skin in addition to the heat, but I think it would happen more if that were the case.

I'm excited by this and having a working GH, now I know what the fuss is all about. I also feel like I'd order another if not two today along with some batteries if I believed that I could get a long term working unit. Even more so now that this thing is pumping it out.

When my hopper worked I could get huge clouds from 3.5. Part of the problem seems to be inconsistencies in the hoppers. Some can near combust and others need to be fully cranked to get any clouds. I really hope they haven't tried to make something that just doesn't work consistently, and never will without a change in design.

One question. Blue-red lights means the body needs to be replaced, or the backend?

the gh is really one of the best vapes I ever owned...
my last rma was 6 months ago ...

hope gh will release some new accessories in the near future... maybe a new mouthpiece for native use... which cools the vapor better... an adapter to use the gh as a plug in...a solution for concentrates, better batteries...

@Kermitt in my opinion red blue is sensor damage or overheating (see gh labs homepage)... if it is a sensor damge your body have to be replaced... but as far as I know you have to send in the whole gh +charger+ battery... maybe if you bought it from a retailer they will replace the parts...

MonkeyTime said:

Ohhh, this is all fitting together now.....

So, after a little over a year with my Ti, I had gotten used to storing it for a while, pulling it out, hating it not working, sending it in, getting it back, having it not work or stop working again, storing for a while......repeat.

This time, it's been a week and it's still working. And after reading all these posts about the blue lights possibly meaning something a little different now, I thought I'd try something.

Average vape producing bud, nothing special. Standard SLX grind and fluffy filled to the top. I ran it thru my Sticky Tube with an adapter and wow. Great taste in the first three hits, with nice clouds. The fourth hit confirmed it was dead.

And brown ABV. I've only seen this once before with my GH!



So a change in my perspective on those lights.....The only thing I did different is instead of taking a good firm pull like seemed had been the consensus, I watched the blue lights and if they flickered, I slowed down.

I instantly saw clouds when slowing down. Maybe mine is just running a bit cooler than others, but I'll be trying this out again dry thru a @DDave cooler during errands today, and really sort hope it works and spins my vaporizer usage into a mix!

**Edit for stoner typos and to add, when it returned this last time from RMA, they did buff out the two very large, deep scratches they put in the body the last time they had it, or replaced the body. Very nice for them to follow thru this time, they hadn't in the past.

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This is what I was trying to say although I was under the impression the heater could keep up but I think the battery can't.

WARNING: TOTAL SUPPOSITION ON MY PART

If assume that if you are pulling too hard the heater tries to compensate by drawing more current from the battery. This in turn will lower the voltage as you are pulling more current and depleting the battery faster.

Now there are all kinds of ways to manage the voltage drops using regulators and we know the hopper has a PWM regulator in it so I'm not entirely sure a basic V=IxR (V=volts, I= Current, R=resistance of circuit) applies but I thought it made for interesting discussion.

Also your experience is really interesting and supports the theory.

I could be totally wrong so I'm hoping someone with more electrical knowledge then me chimes in.

Baron23 said:

We are always trying to read the tea leaves with this device, ain't we?

My GH is over a year old, is still working perfectly, never has had a hot back end, but is also used rather gently (that is, not multi-time per day, daily driver and used in the house almost exclusively and well cleaned afterwards).


When my blue lights start to flicker (very fast flicker) just a bit, I know that the battery is getting ready to go belly up and its time for a swap out.


If I knew I would get a unit as reliable and good functioning as this one, I would buy another.

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HAHA yeh mostly because that's half the battle, confidence in the device. We know it can perform, that is from my perspective not in question. What I don't always know if it's going to work well on the day that I need it.

And no matter how much tea I drink the leaves tell me nothing

I think the hopper batteries need to be looked after.

Because I don't use my hopper except for the odd weekend I really should run the batteries though a weekly discharge/charge cycle to keep them running at their maximum potential. I should also really only store them at 60-65%. But that takes a fairly consistent and considered approach and I'm lazy as hell so I think I'm not really treating my batteries as well as I should.

That's on me.

I still love my hopper and will be taking it to the fringe festival next week, but you better believe a VapCap (or two) is coming with me for backup.

btka said:

an adapter to use the gh as a plug in

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This I want so badly, it would probably put my hopper back into daily rotation.

GreenHopper said:

This is what I was trying to say although I was under the impression the heater could keep up but I think the battery can't.

WARNING: TOTAL SUPPOSITION ON MY PART

If assume that if you are pulling too hard the heater tries to compensate by drawing more current from the battery. This in turn will lower the voltage as you are pulling more current and depleting the battery faster.

Now there are all kinds of ways to manage the voltage drops using regulators and we know the hopper has a PWM regulator in it so I'm not entirely sure a basic V=IxR (V=volts, I= Current, R=resistance of circuit) applies but I thought it made for interesting discussion.

Also your experience is really interesting and supports the theory.

I could be totally wrong so I'm hoping someone with more electrical knowledge then me chimes in.



HAHA yeh mostly because that's half the battle, confidence in the device. We know it can perform, that is from my perspective not in question. What I don't always know if it's going to work well on the day that I need it.

And no matter how much tea I drink the leave tell me nothing

I think the hopper batteries need to be looked after.

Because I don't use my hopper except for the odd weekend I really should run the batteries though a weekly discharge/charge cycle to keep them running at their maximum potential. I should also really only store them at 60-65%. But that takes a fairly consistent and considered approach and I'm lazy as hell so I think I'm not really treating my batteries as well as I should.

That's on me.

I still love my hopper and will be taking it to the fringe festival next week, but you better believe a VapCap (or two) is coming with me for backup.



This I want so badly, it would probably put my hopper back into daily rotation.

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in my opinion the batteries play a major role regarding performance...
and they depleat very fast (with time)... maybe I am not storing them right as you mentioned...I am also to lazy...
so yes an adapter for plug in use would be great or and better batteries if possible...

There's a new post on the official HL blog, this one "Design Series - Front End", I'm really enjoying these to learn a bit more about how my GH is put together and works. https://www.grasshoppervape.com/blog/design-series-front-end/

Unrelated question: does the new charger work any differently to the old one? Is it more reliable or anything?

snaffle said:

There's a new post on the official HL blog, this one "Design Series - Front End", I'm really enjoying these to learn a bit more about how my GH is put together and works. https://www.grasshoppervape.com/blog/design-series-front-end/

Unrelated question: does the new charger work any differently to the old one? Is it more reliable or anything?

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Great post!

I had not read any of those until now.

I agree the MP post was interesting in terms of their thinking.

Just read the Back End post as well.

Found this bit of particular interest:

Maintenance:

1. Keep your battery contact clean. If there is any dirt or build up on the battery contact, we suggest using a dry toothbrush to clean it. You may also do a light scrubbing with 600 grit sandpaper shine the surface. This will help keep good contact with your battery, increasing efficiency.

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Not heard that before.

Thanks for bringing these 'Design Series' - 'Hopper Labs' blog posts to my attention

snaffle said:

There's a new post on the official HL blog, this one "Design Series - Front End", I'm really enjoying these to learn a bit more about how my GH is put together and works. https://www.grasshoppervape.com/blog/design-series-front-end/

Unrelated question: does the new charger work any differently to the old one? Is it more reliable or anything?

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The front end write-up is somewhat informative, but it makes no mention of the material on which the screen is actually mounted. For lack of a better term (or information) I call it a 'plastic' piece. I think it odd that they talk about an air space as part of the design while making no mention of this man-made white-colored material that holds the screen in place - unless they've eliminated it?
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I think they also could mention the overnight iso soak that they've talked about before, and the little glass vial they sell to facilitate that. Cleaning is important and there are places other than threads and screen that gunk can accumulate (like between the main housing and the copper cone) that a swab just doesn't reach. Dis-assembling a front end that's been well used can be educational.

Just submitted my second RMA. The blue lights take 30 seconds to come on, and there's not really any heat generated.

When it's working, the Hopper's my favorite vape... PFE with glass is wonderful. The lifetime warranty is a real blessing, and is part of why I bought it. I'm glad to have a backup vape, and am appreciating the "never breaks," "low-tech, high-tech" nature of my Dynavap. I like my Firefly 2 as well, but I really like the experience of ripping vapor through water and that's not really possible with the FF. It sure is tasty though. But I digress.

Anyway, my Grasshopper's going back in. I'm sure it'll be back soon. I really want another one (as a backup and as a spare charger).

I wonder how its reliability compares to the Crafty, which a lot of people like but seems to crap out a lot.

TheBandit said:

I like my Firefly 2 as well, but I really like the experience of ripping vapor through water and that's not really possible with the FF.

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https://delta3dstudios.com/nearly-universal-vape-to-waterpipe-adapter-medium/

Jah bless

Yepp, the adapter is expensive but really versatile. Use it a lot in different setups.

freshly baked said:

You got me thinking...




Herbalizer mouth piece..

Thanks a lot! @huk_huk

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I am thinking of buying a longer drip tip then I have... my drip tip stays cool after several pulls but is a lot shorter and therefore not cooling the hot vapor down... so it is harsh on the throat (the vapor)... so I thought maybe a loger drip tip will also cool the vapor down... what is your opinion does your lond drip tip cools the vapor so it is not harsh on your throat...

invertedisdead said:

https://delta3dstudios.com/nearly-universal-vape-to-waterpipe-adapter-medium/

Jah bless

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Thanks for this link! Good to know about this adapter, though it might require some extra rigging to get the FF to work. (Maybe some tubing or something).

I've liked the Hopper accessories I purchased from Delta 3D Studios... the spiral stand and funnels are must-haves.