The Extreme-Q Vaporizer

Pinion13 · Jul 20, 2011

I was talking about inhaling small particles although I didn't make that clear. Looking again unvaped the screens on the whip are quite a bit finer than the cyclone bowl. I'm having random bits fall through the bottom and into the heater, I used a coffee grinder. The screens for my vapir no2 seem to fit into the pvc hoses fairly well, wedged in tight.

Edit - It's funny how this unit seems to be making us Americans use Celsius finally. It's easy to switch it to our antiquated F you know dudes. Oh yeah the remote is in C, so use C.

Edit 2 - Packed elbow, the material required is roughly the same amount as I use for an mflb trench, or is my measurement way off, I'l have to double check. Way more vaped on one packed eblow than an mflb trench, no offense to my old friend you're still my go to portable for now.

I've used it several times now and I'm not hearing any noise, nothing like what some people were describing. Perhaps it develops over time or something. Nice clean heat, cool little piece of tech.

LOVE THIS THING...

SteveD · Jul 20, 2011

I have the Extreme-Q 4.0 and am real happy with it. It does everything it claims with ease. You can find videos of how to operate it in you-tube. As far as heating the unit up, it takes no more than 5 minutes to get to temp. A 1/2 hour is a bit much. I too have very fine bits fall to the heater. A quick blow or canned air works well.
Again, this vape is top shelf with a low shelf price.

Bun.it · Jul 20, 2011

Mine has just been dispatched.

Stu · Jul 20, 2011

Ok, I broke out my old geometry book and did some measurements and calculations. The circular opening for air to pass through the cyclone bowl is actually only 25% of the overall area of the cyclone bowl. This means that 75% of the area is being blocked by the ledge that holds the screen; so a 3-1 ratio of unexposed herb to exposed herb. Obviously this ratio decreases as you extend up vertically, but who knows how much? Even if your herb is flying around in a "cyclone" as designed, only 1/4 of the herb is being directly exposed to the hot air at any given time.

This experiment was done on my own cyclone tuff-bowl, and other cyclone bowls may have openings of various sizes; however I think you can see that no matter how large the ledge is on your own cyclone bowl, there is a substantial amount of herb that is not being heated if you are using the cyclone bowl as instructed by the manufacturer.

Of course, the simple and elegant solution to this problem is the elbow pack method.

:2c:

Kaptan · Jul 20, 2011

I've mentioned this before and it really does seem to work. Try flipping an elbow screen upside down over the hole in the cyclone and then place the flat screen on top of the elbow screen. This will raise the herb so that it is heated more evenly. I know others mentioned using a paper clip to raise the screen, but this seems more stable and there are two screens to prevent the herb from falling onto the heater.

pakalolo · Jul 20, 2011

Stu said:
Ok, I broke out my old geometry book and did some measurements and calculations. The circular opening for air to pass through the cyclone bowl is actually only 25% of the overall area of the cyclone bowl. This means that 75% of the area is being blocked by the ledge that holds the screen; so a 3-1 ratio of unexposed herb to exposed herb. Obviously this ratio decreases as you extend up vertically, but who knows how much? Even if your herb is flying around in a "cyclone" as designed, only 1/4 of the herb is being directly exposed to the hot air at any given time.
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7343/cycloneh.jpg
This experiment was done on my own cyclone tuff-bowl, and other cyclone bowls may have openings of various sizes; however I think you can see that no matter how large the ledge is on your own cyclone bowl, there is a substantial amount of herb that is not being heated if you are using the cyclone bowl as instructed by the manufacturer.

Of course, the simple and elegant solution to this problem is the elbow pack method.

The size of that hole could have been anywhere up to 90% or so of the opening, whatever the minimum is that would be needed to hold a screen in place. While I have no doubt that you and others prefer elevated screens or elbow packs, I also believe that Arizer had good, well-considered reasons for that design decision. I've tried the other suggested methods and for me, the cyclone bowl works best when used as recommended.

Stu · Jul 20, 2011

pakalolo said:
I also believe that Arizer had good, well-considered reasons for that design decision. I've tried the other suggested methods and for me, the cyclone bowl works best when used as recommended.

Pak,
Well, I'm not an engineer, but I cannot imagine what benefits are achieved by blocking 75% of airflow right before it makes contact with the herb. All I know is that my unit gives off easily double the amount of vapor using the elbow (I've never tried raising the screen, but I imagine this would help, too).

Different strokes I guess.

Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by this member do not necessarily make valid arguments. All units don't perform the same. Cyclone bowls are all different. Some people prefer less vapor. Your mileage may vary, all rights reserved, void where prohibited, bla bla bla.

:peace:

WatTyler · Jul 21, 2011

I've never even seen an Extreme or cyclone bowl in the flesh and don't really know how one works, nevertheless reading this I'm wondering if the reduced hole diameter is to do with actually inducing some kind of a 'plug hole' effect, like when you drain the bathwater and it spins. Is this the same principle as the cyclone bowl, but somehow in reverse? If so, then I reckon it would need some kind of restriction in the flow to induce the spin, the same as water. Otherwise the airflow would be linear?

Pinion13 · Jul 21, 2011

SteveD said:
I have the Extreme-Q 4.0 and am real happy with it. It does everything it claims with ease. You can find videos of how to operate it in you-tube. As far as heating the unit up, it takes no more than 5 minutes to get to temp. A 1/2 hour is a bit much. I too have very fine bits fall to the heater. A quick blow or canned air works well.
Again, this vape is top shelf with a low shelf price.

You work for an awesome company man. This is seriously the best money I've ever spent.

devecstator · Jul 21, 2011

Hey guys, I see a lot of you talking about herb falling down into the middle of the heater, I've had this problem accumulate to the point where it actually starts smoking, so I've had to take the entire thing apart to get to the ceramic heater and blow/scrape the herb out a couple times already. I don't know if anyone here has experimented with that, but after a while it has to be done unless your really good at keeping it clean. As soon as I open the middle section up theres a huuuge piled of caked on herb, it literally gets everywhere inside.

It's not terribly hard to do but a couple parts are really tricky and you have to be really careful

SteveD · Jul 21, 2011

I don't work for them. I just believe in the product. As far as dissecting the unit, There are engineers that took the hole size into consideration when developing this unit. For the cyclone to work, don't pack the bowl very tight and of course clean often. Getting dust in the filters and burner is just the nature of the beast.

eace.

TNK · Jul 21, 2011

I like to pack a quarter to maybe half of the elbow screen. It lets me know when all the moister is released when it no longer wants to stay packed in the screen. Dried up material falls onto the cyclone screen. And since I pack just a little, very small amounts if any make their way down to the heater side of things.

BTW ...I love the Q

Tim · Jul 22, 2011

If anyone uses E-cigs here:

I used a few drops of my E-cig liquid to spice up a session.
I just dropped a few drops onto my herb in the cyclone bowl. It tasted a little TOO fruity for me (I used a 0% nicotine strawberry flavor). I may try again with fewer drops.

devanous · Jul 22, 2011

Hey, guys new poster here.

I just bought an extreme Q but after 2 weeks the unit is displaying an er2 message. I can't use the unit any more.

How is arizer's warranty service? I've heard that they only accept warranty from specialized sellers. I've emailed them twice and still no response. I even called and they only have an answering machine. I am starting to question whether Arizer as a good company. Faulty units and a lack of customer support.

anyone have any suggestions?

KeepItLit · Jul 22, 2011

gotta quick question... at my friends house and he has the extreme q.. we wanna try the elbow packing method. how much bud do you put in the elbow? do you pack it all the way to the top or just half of it or what? any help is appreciated. thanks guys!

Yippie · Jul 22, 2011

KeepItLit said:
gotta quick question... at my friends house and he has the extreme q.. we wanna try the elbow packing method. how much bud do you put in the elbow? do you pack it all the way to the top or just half of it or what? any help is appreciated. thanks guys!

This sounds about right (from just above)...

I like to pack a quarter to maybe half of the elbow screen. It lets me know when all the moister is released when it no longer wants to stay packed in the screen

...maybe 0.2-0.5g

Yippie · Jul 22, 2011

Have the Extreme Q now - just have to say it's very nice, everything people suggested it would be. It's both lighter and small than I imagined, but give a confidence in it's operation. Now I just need to case...

FIRST USE:
I find the "elbow-pack" is simple and works well at 195 (then up to 205) with no hint of combustion. I've also attempted the use of hot water in a 8" glass pipe. It's deceiving, as there didn't seem to be much vapor with the hot water, but the effect certainly came after 10min. Not sure how you're supposed to connect to a water pipe (adapter?) - but I used one of the provided short cut plastic tubes for mouthpieces in the down-stem hole and then popped on the whip, worked well.

Purpl3_Haz3 · Jul 22, 2011

Yippie said:
Have the Extreme Q now - just have to say it's very nice, everything people suggested it would be. It's both lighter and small than I imagined, but give a confidence in it's operation. Now I just need to case...

FIRST USE:
I find the "elbow-pack" is simple and works well at 195 (then up to 205) with no hint of combustion. I've also attempted the use of hot water in a 8" glass pipe. It's deceiving, as there didn't seem to be much vapor with the hot water, but the effect certainly came after 10min. Not sure how you're supposed to connect to a water pipe (adapter?) - but I used one of the provided short cut plastic tubes for mouthpieces in the down-stem hole and then popped on the whip, worked well.

Your Q should have come with 2 elbow pieces...if so, one obviously gets a screen put in it to go on the cyclone bowl, the other though, can be attached on the mouth piece end of the whip, and inserted into your waterpipes downstem. That is if your water pipe has an 18mm(IIRC) female GONG down stem. just see if the extra elbow will fit easily into your waterpipe in place of the combustion bowl, if so your good to go!

:peace:

Yippie · Jul 22, 2011

@Purpl3_Haz3

Thanks for the information - I don't have a ground glass stem. But what I did with the whip + the short plastic tube/mouthpiece accomplished something similar, at least the best I can do with what I have. Perhaps I'll look into some new glass with the correct down stem type.

Dub Priest · Jul 22, 2011

ive got a question.....im using the whip set-up with the tuff-bowl..when i suck on the whip the herb gets sucked up to the elbow screen. so actually isnt that the same as the elbow packing...cause the herb stays stuck to the elbow....or am i doing something wrong????

u bwade wunner · Jul 23, 2011

pakalolo · Jul 23, 2011

Dub Priest said:
ive got a question.....im using the whip set-up with the tuff-bowl..when i suck on the whip the herb gets sucked up to the elbow screen. so actually isnt that the same as the elbow packing...cause the herb stays stuck to the elbow....or am i doing something wrong????

You aren't doing anything wrong. This is normal, and as far as I am concerned the most annoying thing about my Extreme. You'll notice that it gets harder to draw and you'll have to stop and dig out the elbow bowl. I also swap elbow screens every two cyclone bowls; they clog up quickly. (I have eight or nine of them now.)

Is it the same as elbow-packing? I suppose it is, but I've only done real elbow packing a couple of times. I don't like big clouds, or the harsher taste, or how quickly the load gets used up, or how hard it is to draw. I load half a cyclone bowl and start at 160C to get the low temperature thin tasty hits that I prefer.

u bwade wunner: You can use any power supply that has the same output and matching polarity plug. Since Arizer is getting their supplies off the shelf somewhere, you should be able to match it.

I would have said the most common problem is a broken heater cover, by the way.

StarSunShine · Jul 23, 2011

Ya know I have done all of that (elbow packing, warming for 20-30 min etc.), and I was able to get really good hits saw the vapor and all. But it left me buzzed and not blasted. Again not the weed, I've got amazing sh!t, I cleaned the screen and all of that and I'm sitting here looking at my EQ4 going something is either A) seriously wrong with me or B) that odd noise it makes even with the fan off means its defective. IDK I just smoked a joint and I've gotta say I got higher off that than I have with my vap. I plan on exchanging it, if it still sucks just trying a different model, so any other favorite vaps???

ps. my previous post about eureka and all that was just me celebrating actual visual vapor, not me stoned.

Theo · Jul 23, 2011

Duno about you but usually a joint for me a whole hell of a lot more bud than what I use in the EQ.

pakalolo · Jul 24, 2011

StarSunShine said:
Ya know I have done all of that (elbow packing, warming for 20-30 min etc.), and I was able to get really good hits saw the vapor and all. But it left me buzzed and not blasted. Again not the weed, I've got amazing sh!t, I cleaned the screen and all of that and I'm sitting here looking at my EQ4 going something is either A) seriously wrong with me or B) that odd noise it makes even with the fan off means its defective. IDK I just smoked a joint and I've gotta say I got higher off that than I have with my vap. I plan on exchanging it, if it still sucks just trying a different model, so any other favorite vaps???

ps. my previous post about eureka and all that was just me celebrating actual visual vapor, not me stoned.

First of all, think about all that smoke from a joint that just floats off into the air. That contains lots of goodies that will never get you stoned. Then think about all the nasty tars and other toxins in that smoke. Those are in the percentage that you do take into your lungs. It's also those things in the smoke (like carbon monoxide) but not in the vapour that might account for you thinking you aren't getting the "right" effects. Changing vaporizers won't change that.

The vapour high is different and isn't to everyone's taste. It's not uncommon for smokers trying vapourizing for the first time to feel that something is missing, because there is--a lot of unhealthy crap.

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