My secret to THC E-Cig PG-Liquid... Potent, Effective, Cheap, Easy!!!

[nikcorda]

so ive completely moved away from the aspire k1, switched to the crown uwell. building my coils with their rba section and 26 gauge titanium wire, reads .29 ohms. i was waiting to get some holy terps, but im kinda broke right now so decided to use up the rest of my puff majic. its definitely a lot smoother in the crown over the k1, cant wait to try some holy terp.

i mixed it around 3:1 or 4:1 pm to concentrate (pull and snap consistency). im getting nice and stoned off 3-4 good rips. only problem is im burning my wicking up fast. using the organic japanese corton sheets. only about 20 puffs and it turned black. i was running 11.5 watts, 530 F, so i replaced the wick and am running it at 10 watts and 420 F now, just to see if the wick burns. im barely getting any vapor, or stoned, at these settings.

pretty sure im gonna try ceramic ready wick soon, so i can get good vapor without worrying about burning anything.

 

[florduh]

so ive completely moved away from the aspire k1, switched to the crown uwell. building my coils with their rba section and 26 gauge titanium wire, reads .29 ohms. i was waiting to get some holy terps, but im kinda broke right now so decided to use up the rest of my puff majic. its definitely a lot smoother in the crown over the k1, cant wait to try some holy terp.

i mixed it around 3:1 or 4:1 pm to concentrate (pull and snap consistency). im getting nice and stoned off 3-4 good rips. only problem is im burning my wicking up fast. using the organic japanese corton sheets. only about 20 puffs and it turned black. i was running 11.5 watts, 530 F, so i replaced the wick and am running it at 10 watts and 420 F now, just to see if the wick burns. im barely getting any vapor, or stoned, at these settings.

pretty sure im gonna try ceramic ready wick soon, so i can get good vapor without worrying about burning anything.

That looks awesome! Thanks for the write-up. My prebuilt coils in the eLeaf Melo2 right now are about .3 ohms. I think that is probably a bit too low for our purposes, but this coil is lasting much longer than my others. Randomtoker suggested really hitting the thing hard (strong inhale). That plus keeping the airflow slot wide open has kept it from burning up as fast as my other coils, even at higher wattages.

What is your coil made of? You mentioned temps, are you using Temp Control?

 

[nikcorda]

That looks awesome! Thanks for the write-up. My prebuilt coils in the eLeaf Melo2 right now are about .3 ohms. I think that is probably a bit too low for our purposes, but this coil is lasting much longer than my others. Randomtoker suggested really hitting the thing hard (strong inhale). That plus keeping the airflow slot wide open has kept it from burning up as fast as my other coils, even at higher wattages.

What is your coil made of? You mentioned temps, are you using Temp Control?

yeah i might get some 28 gauge wire to hopefully get my ohms around .5. im hitting it pretty well now but i will try to inhale harder to see if that helps. air slots are always wide open.

im using lightning vapes titanium wire, currently using 26 gauge. yes im using temperature control at the settings stated above, using an evic vtc mini, firmware 3.0

 

[randomtoker]

This is super interesting, thanks for posting @nikcorda. I know that I will eventually transition to building my own so it's good to see someone doing it for thc juice!

 

[Budwiser]

Hey, cool! Glad to hear it worked out. Bummer about the burnt coil. Replacing it will really help the flavor. If you want an easy/cheap way to add flavor, try what DIY nic juice makers use. I ordered some flavors from gremlindiy.com and I like them so far. I got some fruit flavors (FlavorArt brand). They're like 3 bucks for 15ml, super concentrated flavor. You could probably put 10 drops in that tank and you'd taste it. The lime and pineapple I put in my current juice tastes great. I'm digging it.


Right? I didn't realize that you were supposed to haul on them either, then it clicked. It's really a cool design. I think I'd still like to try a coil closer to 1.0 like .7 or .8 just to compare. I think .5 might be more than necessary for me. Maybe drain the battery a little slower too.


Ya, maybe you should just get that and try mixing it really low ratio and add just a couple drops limonene. That might work out the best for you.

Next tank I mix, I'll try dissolving my concentrate first in as low ratio as possible with Holy Terp just as an experiment. I won't vape it like that, but I'm curious if it can dissolve at low ratios like CC.

I think you should just read the thread bro, you've been chasing your tail here for at least a week now and could have read upto here answering most if not all of your own questions while hopefully inciting some knowledge upon yourself...

& if your looking to hallucinate I don't think terpenes are your answer

if youre on a tight schedule and dont want to do the proper research (such as reading all of the awesome information in this thread), maybe this stuff isnt the answer for you...

So I decided the best (and most simple) course of action is to use a eliquid mixer. Now the new issue is which brand to get? Holy Terp, Puff Majic, etc. Anyone's take on their personal favorite and why, and which product do they think is best for me based on my preferences (I want to get stupid cerebral high with minimal to no couch lock effect) is appreciated. Just like how Holy Terp has a Sativa specific blend ("Philosopher") does other brands like Puff Majic's "Dream" for example a Sativa focused blend? And if so which is better (more powerful). All opinions are welcome.

 

[Happy Jack]

So I decided the best (and most simple) course of action is to use a eliquid mixer. Now the new issue is which brand to get? Holy Terp, Puff Majic, etc. Anyone's take on their personal favorite and why, and which product do they think is best for me based on my preferences (I want to get stupid cerebral high with minimal to no couch lock effect) is appreciated. Just like how Holy Terp has a Sativa specific blend ("Philosopher") does other brands like Puff Majic's "Dream" for example a Sativa focused blend? And if so which is better (more powerful). All opinions are welcome.

I'd try Holy Terps for sure... the Philosopher I tried got some really good reviews from a few picky testers I know. There's little doubt to it's benefit to the overall effect. I also tried CC but would not recommend that.

 

[Budwiser]

I'd try Holy Terps for sure... the Philosopher I tried got some really good reviews from a few picky testers I know. There's little doubt to it's benefit to the overall effect. I also tried CC but would not recommend that.

Ok, but why don't you recommend CC? BTW you may know this about me already from all my comments posted (such as this one), but I probably make a good "picky tester" .

 

[Copacetic]

Vapeur Extract working well for me here.
Roughly 4:1 or 5:1 ratio so pretty dilute, and thin, but still no nasty 'plastic' taste that I've seen others have a problem with (other diluents).

RDA's here too, but Ive also got a tank and ceramic atomisers on order.
Plus stainless mesh and Clapton kanthal wire for testing mini mixes in the RDA before making a whole tank's worth.
RDA kit is SO cheap it would be rude not to buy a whole bunch!

 

[Happy Jack]

Ok, but why don't you recommend CC? BTW you may know this about me already from all my comments posted (such as this one), but I probably make a good "picky tester" .

Don't trust what's in the CC is all. The Holy Teprs mixed up well at a 1:1 ratio. I can't dilute any further then that as even a 1:1 is really pushing the edge in NorCal but we have a product line that features a less potent oil. The end result will potency test out at right around 30% but the entourage effect by adding back a VERY SMALL amount of terpenes really had a positive effect. Taste was also a thumbs up in the peeps opinioins..... which was an added bonus..... however not suprising as we decarb all of our oil and therefore drop many of the terps.

Also will be receiving some terp blends from Extract Consultants today. Excited about that and will report results next week. This product will differ from Holy Terps in that it is not a Terp/VG/PG blend ... just Terps alone. Not expecting this product to suffice in the dilution depatment if that's what one is after but for our application we don't need it to be.

 

[Happy Jack]

Vapeur Extract working well for me here.
Roughly 4:1 or 5:1 ratio so pretty dilute, and thin, but still no nasty 'plastic' taste that I've seen others have a problem with (other diluents).

RDA's here too, but Ive also got a tank and ceramic atomisers on order.
Plus stainless mesh and Clapton kanthal wire for testing mini mixes in the RDA before making a whole tank's worth.
RDA kit is SO cheap it would be rude not to buy a whole bunch!

I'm just astounded by some of the dilution ratios I see on this board. I just can't believe there is any effect whatsoever from a 4:1 or 5:1 blend............ not to mention the taste of the oil must be completely masked by the diluent. Not knocking it however ......... just really suprised.

 

[florduh]

I'm just astounded by some of the dilution ratios I see on this board. I just can't believe there is any effect whatsoever from a 4:1 or 5:1 blend............ not to mention the taste of the oil must be completely masked by the diluent. Not knocking it however ......... just really suprised.

He's using his juice in an RDA. Most people diluting their juice at a 4:1 ratio are using some kind of sub ohm setup. They run through juice quicker and produce more vapor. As a result, it makes sense to reduce the THC content a bit. Nicotine sub ohm vapers use the same exact concept. They'll cut down the Nic level by 50% or more vs what they were using in a standard resistance e-cig but they are getting a similar "buzz" due to the increased temperature and vapor.

As for taste, my first hit off of a sub ohm tank with heavily diluted juice was a big wow. Literally the best tasting hit I've ever had off of a THC e-cig. It tasted very much like pure concentrate. And the lack of harsher/burnt hits just added to my enjoyment.

 

[Happy Jack]

He's using his juice in an RDA. Most people diluting their juice at a 4:1 ratio are using some kind of sub ohm setup. They run through juice quicker and produce more vapor. As a result, it makes sense to reduce the THC content a bit. Nicotine sub ohm vapers use the same exact concept. They'll cut down the Nic level by 50% or more vs what they were using in a standard resistance e-cig but they are getting a similar "buzz" due to the increased temperature and vapor.

As for taste, my first hit off of a sub ohm tank with heavily diluted juice was a big wow. Literally the best tasting hit I've ever had off of a THC e-cig. It tasted very much like pure concentrate. And the lack of harsher/burnt hits just added to my enjoyment.

Gotcha ! Very cool indeed.............. makes more sense now.

 

[Budwiser]

Don't trust what's in the CC is all. The Holy Teprs mixed up well at a 1:1 ratio. I can't dilute any further then that as even a 1:1 is really pushing the edge in NorCal but we have a product line that features a less potent oil. The end result will potency test out at right around 30% but the entourage effect by adding back a VERY SMALL amount of terpenes really had a positive effect. Taste was also a thumbs up in the peeps opinioins..... which was an added bonus..... however not suprising as we decarb all of our oil and therefore drop many of the terps.

Also will be receiving some terp blends from Extract Consultants today. Excited about that and will report results next week. This product will differ from Holy Terps in that it is not a Terp/VG/PG blend ... just Terps alone. Not expecting this product to suffice in the dilution depatment if that's what one is after but for our application we don't need it to be.

I'm also going to try a 1:1 ratio of the Philosopher I got with my reduced Green Dragon. I don't want to add any more because it will make it weaker and I can't add less than that because I risk blowing up my pen with all the alcohol in it.

Looking forward to hearing your result with the pure tarpenes liquid mix from extractconsultants.com!

 

[Budwiser]

Speaking of alcohol is it safe to extract weed using Isopropyl and just purge it by evaporating all of it?

 

[randomtoker]

I mixed a new batch for my sub ohm. Drained the remains of the last batch into my little tank and freshened it with some HT. I'll puff that while the new batch is steeping. I'll do a 2 day steep again. The steeping time really helped with flavor retention in my last tank (both the flavors I added and the flavor from the concentrate I believe).

New batch for night time, smells super dank, just like Blueberry Kush! Ratio is a little over 3:1 for fast flow, sub ohm tank:
- 1/2g Alien OG shatter
- 30 drops HT (Couch Lock)
- 10 drops VE (Flavorless)
- 4 drops blackberry (FlavourArt)
- 4 drops black tea (FlavourArt)
- 4 drops mandarin (FlavourArt)

**EDIT: I forgot to mention. I did an experiment and managed to get the 1/2g of shatter to dissolve in 10 drops of Holy Terp. That's about .6 which is how people like to mix CC. It liquefied, but I suspect it would have gotten pretty thick on cooling fully. It was Couch Lock, not sure if different ones with different terpenes would dissolve differently (I suspect Philosopher might be good for this, just guessing based on how strong it smells of terpenes). I think, if someone wanted a cheap CC alternative, they could probably mix HT with a bit of alcohol and a bit of limonene and it would likely accommodate low ratio mixing like CC. Totally just thinking out loud here. I'm not certain.

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Speaking of alcohol is it safe to extract weed using Isopropyl and just purge it by evaporating all of it?

Yes you can. Search Google and the forum here for QWISO or QWET. They are names for quick wash extraction techniques using ISO or Ethanol. Or, press Rosin instead (read the Rosin thread). Faster, easier, no solvents needed. Read and ask in those other threads.

 

[Budwiser]

Yes you can. Search Google and the forum here for QWISO or QWET. They are names for quick wash extraction techniques using ISO or Ethanol. Or, press Rosin instead (read the Rosin thread). Faster, easier, no solvents needed. Read and ask in those other threads.

That's great news because I accidentally cleaned the rest of the remaining green dragon from my jar using Iso instead of more everclear (I did not want to waste everclear on so little).

 

[Copacetic]

I can't help but notice a fairly big difference between e-cig forum conversations which discuss DIY mixes, and the convo' here.
in most of the e-cig threads I refer to, noobs (to DIY) often complain of bad or unexpected results when tasting their mixes.
The 'old hands' almost invariably advise that 'steeping' is often essential to get a vapable juice (by vapable I mean anything better than 'tastes crap' through 'tastes amazingly good!')


This is one (seemingly respected?) persons take on steeping:

http://bit.ly/1nFIRfj


From the above:
"........
Steeping is the most over looked and disregarded aspect of DIY. It also is the biggest reason for flavoring complaints.

A few examples are questions such as:

I added so much flavor why can't I taste anything?
Why does my mix taste so weak?
Why does my mix taste so strong?
Why does my mix taste like chemicals?
........"


Even those here who detail their method/recipes and results never mention whether they've steeped before tasting.Edit: just spotted @randomtokers mention of steeping in his last post!, so I may have missed others .
Given that it seems to make such a big difference to the 'conventional' e-juice community, maybe steeping is something we should include in our efforts?

I'm certainly going to try it next time.

 

[zor]

I'm just astounded by some of the dilution ratios I see on this board. I just can't believe there is any effect whatsoever from a 4:1 or 5:1 blend............ not to mention the taste of the oil must be completely masked by the diluent. Not knocking it however ......... just really suprised.

I get plenty of effect from my 3:1 and 5:1 solutions. It may take more pulls to get there
I wonder if it actually is more efficient given the loss in each exhalation (you don't absorb everything you inhale). Probably an insignificant quantity...y

 

[randomtoker]

Given that it seems to make such a big difference to the 'conventional' e-juice community, maybe steeping is something we should include in our efforts?

I'm certainly going to try it next time.

Ya, I noticed the same thing on nic vaping forums so I gave it a shot in my last tank, and I'm doing it again for my current tank (steeping now). I've read anything from 2 days to 2 weeks depending on the types of flavorings. For nic vapers, it's about getting the flavors that are being added to thoroughly blend into the juice. Most people here aren't adding extra flavors (I am though), but I believe that the flavor coming from the cannabis concentrate is also subject to the same factors. When we liquefy our concentrates into EJ, PM, etc the terpenes in the concentrate are the natural flavorings. They're just as likely as added flavor to vape out early IMO, so steeping should help them blend more thoroughly as well. The end result 'should' be better cannabis flavor through the duration of the tank.

I feel like my last tank tasted better all the way through. Could be psychological, but I didn't notice it get 'stale' like I have in past tanks.

Since my big tank doesn't handle small volumes well, I've gotten in the habit of transferring the last bit into my small tank when it gets near the end (and thinning/freshening with a little HT when I do it). Then I clean my big tank, make a new batch, and puff the little tank on my pen while the new batch is steeping. Win, win. It's a good cycle so far.

 

[illmatik]

Has anyone tried THC juice made by Alpine?

A friend of mine let me try some yesterday, and it's very tasty. I also noticed it's very thin. They sell their 1ml syringes for $30. I went on their site, and it seems like they are using PG/PEG as their base. Funny, their site is down now otherwise I'd link it.

Anyways, I didn't know PG/PEG based juices could taste so good. I used Puff Majic for a long time before switching over to CC, but this Alpine juice not only tastes better than both of them but also is very potent. No burning taste at all.

How do we mimic this stuff??

 

[j-bug]

Has anyone tried THC juice made by Alpine?

A friend of mine let me try some yesterday, and it's very tasty. I also noticed it's very thin. They sell their 1ml syringes for $30. I went on their site, and it seems like they are using PG/PEG as their base. Funny, their site is down now otherwise I'd link it.

Anyways, I didn't know PG/PEG based juices could taste so good. I used Puff Majic for a long time before switching over to CC, but this Alpine juice not only tastes better than both of them but also is very potent. No burning taste at all.

How do we mimic this stuff??

I've got some of that on hand right now and it's great stuff. I think it's slightly over priced, but considering similar products tend to be even more overpriced it's not that bad.

 

[randomtoker]

...Anyways, I didn't know PG/PEG based juices could taste so good. I used Puff Majic for a long time before switching over to CC, but this Alpine juice not only tastes better than both of them but also is very potent. No burning taste at all.

How do we mimic this stuff??

I'm starting to feel like a broken record, and I don't want anyone thinking I'm a vendor spammer, so I'll stop responding to these questions soon. I've found the Holy Terp line to be quite tasty. They recommend 2:1 ratio, but it'll liquefy your concentrate at 1:1. They have a bunch of terpene combination flavors. I've tried 2 of them. I like them and I even mix at much thinner ratios (3:1). I add extra DIY flavors for bonus pop, but they taste nice on their own anyway. Other simple option might be to add some Pan's Ink to your EJ or Puff Majic or whatever to give it terpene flavor. Otherwise, you can get isolated terpene extracts and mix them with your own pg / peg from scratch. You can also add the same concentrated flavorings (non cannabis terpene flavors) that DIY nic vapers make their juices with. There's every flavor under the sun. I've found subtly adding fruity things like lime, orange, blueberry, pineapple and combining them with terpenes or terpene enhanced juices like Holy Terp results in a very nice juice that tastes like vape hits off fresh buds.

 

[florduh]

Has anyone tried THC juice made by Alpine?

A friend of mine let me try some yesterday, and it's very tasty. I also noticed it's very thin. They sell their 1ml syringes for $30. I went on their site, and it seems like they are using PG/PEG as their base. Funny, their site is down now otherwise I'd link it.

Anyways, I didn't know PG/PEG based juices could taste so good. I used Puff Majic for a long time before switching over to CC, but this Alpine juice not only tastes better than both of them but also is very potent. No burning taste at all.

How do we mimic this stuff??

I've been waiting for a company to put out THC e-liquid. There has to be a demand for it vs. buying a new prefilled tank every time. And it seems a bit more environmentally friendly as people can use it in re-fillable carts. Since their site is down it's hard to get a lot of info, but it appears Alpine use using Rosin. I will be in Cali next month and will pick some up to compare to my homemade juice.

Does anyone know what the THC percentage is on their juice?

I'm starting to feel like a broken record, and I don't want anyone thinking I'm a vendor spammer, so I'll stop responding to these questions soon. I've found the Holy Terp line to be quite tasty. They recommend 2:1 ratio, but it'll liquefy your concentrate at 1:1. They have a bunch of terpene combination flavors. I've tried 2 of them. I like them and I even mix at much thinner ratios (3:1). I add extra DIY flavors for bonus pop, but they taste nice on their own anyway. Other simple option might be to add some Pan's Ink to your EJ or Puff Majic or whatever to give it terpene flavor. Otherwise, you can get isolated terpene extracts and mix them with your own pg / peg from scratch. You can also add the same concentrated flavorings (non cannabis terpene flavors) that DIY nic vapers make their juices with. There's every flavor under the sun. I've found subtly adding fruity things like lime, orange, blueberry, pineapple and combining them with terpenes or terpene enhanced juices like Holy Terp results in a very nice juice that tastes like vape hits off fresh buds.

I haven't tried Holy Terps, but the original VE Blueberry I'm trying doesn't seem to give the harsh hits PuffM/EJ are famous for. It would still be interesting to see how a retail juice compares to DIY.

 

[illmatik]

I'm starting to feel like a broken record, and I don't want anyone thinking I'm a vendor spammer, so I'll stop responding to these questions soon. I've found the Holy Terp line to be quite tasty. They recommend 2:1 ratio, but it'll liquefy your concentrate at 1:1. They have a bunch of terpene combination flavors. I've tried 2 of them. I like them and I even mix at much thinner ratios (3:1). I add extra DIY flavors for bonus pop, but they taste nice on their own anyway. Other simple option might be to add some Pan's Ink to your EJ or Puff Majic or whatever to give it terpene flavor. Otherwise, you can get isolated terpene extracts and mix them with your own pg / peg from scratch. You can also add the same concentrated flavorings (non cannabis terpene flavors) that DIY nic vapers make their juices with. There's every flavor under the sun. I've found subtly adding fruity things like lime, orange, blueberry, pineapple and combining them with terpenes or terpene enhanced juices like Holy Terp results in a very nice juice that tastes like vape hits off fresh buds.

Good stuff. I may give Holy Terps a try.

CC is good stuff... but I agree with everyone else that the terpenes in the original flavor just overpower everything else. It would be fine if the flavor tasted like a dab, but it's more of a piney, almost acidic flavor that doesn't jive well with me.

 

[randomtoker]

Good stuff. I may give Holy Terps a try.

CC is good stuff... but I agree with everyone else that the terpenes in the original flavor just overpower everything else. It would be fine if the flavor tasted like a dab, but it's more of a piney, almost acidic flavor that doesn't jive well with me.

Ya, I haven't tried CC so I can't compare. There are a bunch of flavors of HT. Avoid using Philosopher by itself. It has a very strong pine sap taste. It needs to be mixed with other things. I really like the taste of Couch Lock (myrcene in it gives a dank bud aroma and taste). Those are the only two I've tried but the flavor descriptions on their site were accurate so read them all and it should help you find one you'll like.

I've been waiting for a company to put out THC e-liquid. There has to be a demand for it vs. buying a new prefilled tank every time. And it seems a bit more environmentally friendly as people can use it in re-fillable carts. Since their site is down it's hard to get a lot of info, but it appears Alpine use using Rosin. I will be in Cali next month and will pick some up to compare to my homemade juice.

Does anyone know what the THC percentage is on their juice?

Sounds interesting, bummer the site is down. So they sell by the bottle, not just carts and syringes? I've never seen them. All the dispensaries I go to in LA carry the same 3 brands: Spliffin, Eureka, and Varavo, then house carts and syringes.

However, you just made me realize something. I see this Krypted brand on menus all the time and I thought it was a tincture, but it's not, it's vape juice. I just checked. They sell by concentration, so a bottle with 120mg thc is $25 and 250mg is $40. Still steep really. I might try it next time I'm at a shop.

Here's their Instagram (what the hell is with companies having Instagram accounts instead of web pages lately, it's like the entire cannabis industry just moved into Instagram):
https://www.instagram.com/krypted_inc/