What do you pay per ounce of cannabis?

[Cuthbert J Twillie]

About what outdoor\greenhouse grown should be priced at imo.

Growers gotta cover their costs my friend.


I live in an illegal state and topshelf is $320 for a 28g bag.
My dealer is pretty cool and lets me mix strains in 1/4's or 1/2's and still gives the oz price.

Cheapest Oz. I ever got at a CO disp. was Chemdawg for $125 (in Trinidad - generally not a town to buy in because they're raking in the $ off of out of state buyers that don't want to travel farther).

For Canna tourism in CO I strongly recommend buying in Bolder, better deals than I've found in Denver and much more pleasant service. And Boulder is on the way to RNP so there is always tourist type fun to be had.

 

[arb]

Growers gotta cover their costs my friend.


I live in an illegal state and topshelf is $320 for a 28g bag.
My dealer is pretty cool and lets me mix strains in 1/4's or 1/2's and still gives the oz price.

Cheapest Oz. I ever got at a CO disp. was Chemdawg for $125 (in Trinidad - generally not a town to buy in because they're raking in the $ off of out of state buyers that don't want to travel farther).

For Canna tourism in CO I strongly recommend buying in Bolder, better deals than I've found in Denver and much more pleasant service. And Boulder is on the way to RNP so there is always tourist type fun to be had.

You have been getting slapped regards pricing your entire life..........I want to end that.
I dug out my Nikon so I can take some decent pics after the battery charges up I will be better able to explain myself in a way that does not sound insane........which will be a challenge for us all I am sure.

 

[Sick Vape]

Compared to what other field grown or wild medicinal plants cost, that sometimes take several years to produce a small yield. Also prohibited ones. Prizes are high, too high.

On the other hand a good grower needs support, especially if he grows not so commercial strains!



Edit: I can't tell. I never buy ounces. British ounces american ounces, fluid ounces, weed ounces, i am used to grams. A weed gram often weighs less than a real gram.

 

[Cuthbert J Twillie]

You have been getting slapped regards pricing your entire life.

Hmm, ever hear of opportunity costs?
The vast majority of us will have to ask the open market what the price of weed is?
The market will answer.

As someone who has grown, I can assure you growers have an overhead and they have to make a profit above their overhead to stay in business.

Could weed be produced for under a $100/oz . . . probably.
If that is the case the market will reflect that fact.
The grower still has to pay rent/mortgage for the grow site and his electricity bills, my elec. bill increases by a 1/3 when I'm growing.

 

[Madri-Gal]

Hmm, ever hear of opportunity costs?
The vast majority of us will have to ask the open market what the price of weed is?
The market will answer.

As someone who has grown, I can assure you growers have an overhead and they have to make a profit above their overhead to stay in business.

Could weed be produced for under a $100/oz . . . probably.
If that is the case the market will reflect that fact.
The grower still has to pay rent/mortgage for the grow site and his electricity bills, my elec. bill increases by a 1/3 when I'm growing.

Not everyone grows for business, of course. I personally wouldn't count my mortgage. It's going to be there, grow or no. I grow outdoors, and if I decide to grow indoors I have solar panels, so electricity is covered. Seeds and clones are an expense, of course. Right now it's all about cardboard and mulch, and that isn't counted, so it's too soon to tell much about 2019 cost per oz.
2018 was a nightmare , so we ignore it and move on.

 

[howie105]

I love your signature!

First, apologies for jacking into the thread but this hit me like a bolt.

Night Owl II: But the country's disintegrating. What's happened to America? What's happened to the American dream?

The Comedian: It came true. You're lookin' at it.”
Alan Moore

Hey Cuthbert, I am always struck by how right the creative can be.

 

[arb]

Hmm, ever hear of opportunity costs?
The vast majority of us will have to ask the open market what the price of weed is?
The market will answer.

As someone who has grown, I can assure you growers have an overhead and they have to make a profit above their overhead to stay in business.

Could weed be produced for under a $100/oz . . . probably.
If that is the case the market will reflect that fact.
The grower still has to pay rent/mortgage for the grow site and his electricity bills, my elec. bill increases by a 1/3 when I'm growing.

Production costs for me indoors is under 4.00 a oz.......have been under that in multiple states legal and non.
That is electic,medium,ferts,pots.........only excludes initial equipment costs.
I average over a oz a square foot of canopy space without much effort......numbers which are easily beaten by the way.
So with just a small amount of knowledge and some basic maffs.........sigh.
I guess if you expect every single expense you have to be a business expense your case is valid........I don't subscribe to that mindset.

 

[Cuthbert J Twillie]

I guess if you expect every single expense you have to be a business expense your case is valid........I don't subscribe to that mindset.

Arb, please excuse me for seeming contrary, it wasn't my intent.
I can't speak for you, but when I'm producing I recognize everything that's a cost and that includes my time.
If you're not factoring in your time in production you're probably overlooking your most significant cost.
If you weren't doing the work what would you have to pay a worker?
More significantly if you were working instead of tending your crop what would you draw an hour.
These to my mind are real costs of production and they are items you pay for when you buy weed in the market.
Maybe I'm going to far into economics but at some point you have to amoritize the costs of your equipment.
Quality lighting isn't cheap to buy or run.

But if you've got some killer weed for $4/oz sign me up I can't grow it that cheap.

 

[Madri-Gal]

Production costs for me indoors is under 4.00 a oz.......have been under that in multiple states legal and non.
That is electic,medium,ferts,pots.........only excludes initial equipment costs.
I average over a oz a square foot of canopy space without much effort......numbers which are easily beaten by the way.
So with just a small amount of knowledge and some basic maffs.........sigh.
I guess if you expect every single expense you have to be a business expense your case is valid........I don't subscribe to that mindset.

Of course , with business you can end up with a profit, so "cost" is only part of that equation. I personally don't think in that way in regards to growing. We could get really picky, @arb, and count our ABV, tinctures, edibles, etc. I will say, if I didn't grow this plant, it would be petunias, or begonias, or some plant or another. I wish I had your knowledge, so you have my respect.

 

[Cuthbert J Twillie]

Hey Cuthbert, I am always struck by how right the creative can be.

Howie:
Or more scary: how creative the Right can be, when they're intent on killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

 

[archangelz001]

I have grown for a living since 1979 I am keenly aware of how much work goes into every aspect of cannabis production..............you?

If consumers could get ounces of good flower for $20-40 no one in their right mind could or would produce commercially for wholesale prices of $10-20per ounce even if grown outdoors. And indoor grows are not energy efficient compared to greehouse/outdoor grows. And I find it hard to believe you could/would accept $30-60/oz wholesale for indoor. That's $500-1000/lb.

But I only grow for personal use. Maybe my sense of things, given what Ive heard from growers I know, about the costs of being legally licensed in Calif., is out of whack. I'd be interested in how you calculate your costs of doing business.

 

[arb]

I said I charge 100.00 per zip,1600 a pound for indoor.........not sure what you are trying to imply with your misquote there.
Sorry if I offended you with my opinion and price points fortunately for us we live in a semi free society and are able to both choose our individual paths in this particular endeavor.
Should you ever find yourself in my neck of the woods drop me a email and I will make time to show you how I go about it.

 

[archangelz001]

I said I charge 100.00 per zip,1600 a pound for indoor.........not sure what you are trying to imply with your misquote there.
Sorry if I offended you with my opinion and price points fortunately for us we live in a semi free society and are able to both choose our individual paths in this particular endeavor.
Should you ever find yourself in my neck of the woods drop me a email and I will make time to show you how I go about it.

I must have missed that post. Your first in this thread was on Nov 9, I think. My post was about how you value outdoor grown at $30-50/ oz. Maybe you could explain. Id be happy to visit with you and share a bowl, but what area of the country are you in?

 

[arb]

Montana.............it says so right under the picture of my dog.

 

[archangelz001]

Montana.............it says so right under the picture of my dog.

Doh! Yes, I see that now.

...and why you value outdoor so low?

 

[arb]

Define outdoor.........that can range from dropping some seeds\cuts and coming back at the end of season like it is in say South Florida or you can build a giant climate controlled facility that is still essentially outdoor\greenhouse quality and everything in between.
Are you a experienced farmer or somebody who went on a cannabis forum and bought some leds and a tent..............do you have acerage currently growing a commercial crop ready to switch or do you have to buy land...........or are you a asshole who trespasses and destroys others property.
Not even getting into equipment and irrigation........all specialized stuff and all very much in use by every farmer in America.
Volume alone dictates outdoors low price as it should it is a commodity same as any other.

 

[archangelz001]

Define outdoor.........that can range from dropping some seeds\cuts and coming back at the end of season like it is in say South Florida or you can build a giant climate controlled facility that is still essentially outdoor\greenhouse quality and everything in between.
Are you a experienced farmer or somebody who went on a cannabis forum and bought some leds and a tent..............do you have acerage currently growing a commercial crop ready to switch or do you have to buy land...........or are you a asshole who trespasses and destroys others property.
Not even getting into equipment and irrigation........all specialized stuff and all very much in use by every farmer in America.
Volume alone dictates outdoors low price as it should it is a commodity same as any other.

Whoa Dude. I don't know where all that stuff is coming from. I'm not attacking you, just trying to understand why you said that $30-50 was all outdoor was worth. Let's back up and keep it simple. You said back on Jan 15, in response to someone else saying that ounces of flower were $30, 40, 50 in Oregon, that that is about "what outdoor\greenhouse grown should be priced at"

I expressed amazement and, without seeing your other post in which you said you sold to medical card holders for $100 oz, called you a dreamer. I apologize for not checking you out better before responding. My bad.

Well, the conversation got a little twisted up somehow. I tried to simplify it in my last post and asked plainly "...and why you value outdoor so low?"

Now that I know you live in Montana, not California, I understand a little better about your pricing for your indoor grown. But no one trying to grow legally in California in greenhouses or outdoor could possibly sell their flower for $30-$50 oz, let alone if that was the retail price it would mean they'd have to sell wholesale to dispensaries for 1/2 or 2/3 that. As a personal outdoor grower I can admit that my flower doesn't look as pretty as top-shelf indoor sold in dispensaries in San Francisco or San Jose for $250-$450 oz (plus 25-35% taxes added on). But I've had some of it lab tested and I can tell you that I can get 20-25%THC and frequently 2-3% terpenes, so medication quality is every bit as good. (Last year my Harlequin tested out with 5.4%THC/11.3%CBD/2.79% terpenes - it's damn good!)

Just to answer your questions:
Am I an experienced farmer? - I have only 4 grow seasons under my belt, but I do know some of the premier outdoor growers in the Emerald Triangle who could not survive making $30-$50 oz while trying to be fully licensed and legal.
Do I have acreage..? No, I grow 5-6 plants in my backyard. Broad leaf, narrow leaf, and high CBD. From both seed and clone. I don't do guerrilla grows.
Am I an asshole...? You'd have to ask my friends...
And I agree that volume alone dictates cheaper prices for outdoor grown. Just not $30-50 per oz. Even shake will run at least $50/oz

Now, since I don't use the black market I have no idea what the pricing in that market is these days. I grow organically in my backyard. I only purchase at dispensaries I can confirm that they test all their flower product for cannabinoid/terpene profiles as well as pesticides and other contaminants such as molds.

Thanks for reading - Peace brother.

 

[arb]

Given the yield you achieve with your plants as a base.......doesn't even matter your numbers ok.
Figure the square footage of each plant you have then add 33%.......then multiply your yield times the square feet of an acre(43,560)and you will understand my maffs.
Prices are extremely artificially high due to government interference as legalization becomes inevitable so does the math.
You are already seeing it where any kind of open market is applied..........except for high quality indoor which seems to be retaining a high pricepoint.
The old days are dead brother and I am glad to see them go.

 

[archangelz001]

Given the yield you achieve with your plants as a base.......doesn't even matter your numbers ok.
Figure the square footage of each plant you have then add 33%.......then multiply your yield times the square feet of an acre(43,560)and you will understand my maffs.
Prices are extremely artificially high due to government interference as legalization becomes inevitable so does the math.
You are already seeing it where any kind of open market is applied..........except for high quality indoor which seems to be retaining a high pricepoint.
The old days are dead brother and I am glad to see them go.

Well, you have an opinion. Top shelf indoor goes for $200-$400 or more around here and outdoor for 1/2 that. I think outdoor can be every bit as good as indoor, just not as pretty. Prices like you suggest will put everybody (all the small growers who created and sustained the marketplace for years) out of business except for the large scale multi-acre commercial farms. When consumers can purchase decent outdoor for $30 per ounce you can say goodbye to making a living growing more expensive indoor unless you are doing it on a grand scale as well.

But then I grow my own, so I'm part of the problem too LOL.

 

[sag]

It looks like I have been quoted in this little storm. To clarify....I have been growing for years. Out door and indoor in Oregon. I could never grow large amounts for 50$ oz. I think 100$ would be the minimum. The oz's in Oregon are so cheap because they produced over 5 million pounds last year and only 4 million residents. The pot police watch that stuff for black market leakage. Sooo there is a tremendous over production in the state. This will eventually go away. The growers and producers need to make a profit and not undercut themselves. Everyone in the biz is trying to become millionaires quick. I still love growing weed. It is such a nice plant to know. I only grow for pleasure or recreation and my friends and family and old granpa green thumbs is a popular guy.

 

[arb]

I guess it always starts with these here..........I love these more than I love finished flower.
I love to make them almost as much as I love planting them.......almost.

 

[just_the_flu]

...just to add to the discussion.... Canadian tobacco farmers are being looked at to grow cannabis (the tobacco companies, Alliance and Norfolk Leaf, are looking to get into cannabis market- naturally right?)


...anyways, the growers will be getting $0.50/g for 'smokable' bud and $0.10/g for 'other' (go into oils, edibles, etc..)...


...these will be grown under hoop houses in pots and also direct in the ground...

 

[arb]

That will be the end of how things are.........finally.

 

[Moses Baca]

That will be the end of how things are.........finally.

We can only hope.

Nice flower!

 

[archangelz001]

That will be the end of how things are.........finally.

Again, I dont understand your point. Are you willing to produce cannabis so cheaply? Should everyone be a home grower?