Volcano

[Stu]

Well, I just popped the cherry of my new cano. One bag is more vapor than I normally consume right after work so I'm feeling thoroughly medicated atm.

I was surprised how easy it was to mate the Easy Valve with my bubbler. I just placed the valve right over the 18mm female GonG and took a big rip. Easy peasy, hot and sleazy!

How many bags do you guys typically get from a load of about .4g?

I've been scouring Craigslist for a long time looking for a cheap Volcano with no luck, so that fire sale at vapeusa was a great opportunity for me to get a bag vape for large groups. I'm very impressed so far.

 

[TboneToker]

Amen...I was glad it auto-shutoff last night, because I sure as hell did!

I actually like that my classic stays on but I love the accuracy and exact temp selection w/digit

With .4g or really any amount that's .1g or more I get 3 good bags and 4 if I want some strains go longer but I tend to do well with less and less these days

A friend of mine took advantage of the Vape USA clearance and managed to grab 2 Volcano Digits with a solid kits for $332 a piece. He gifted me one so now I have a Volcano!
This guy and I have been best buds for over 50 years. Coolest dude on the planet.
I have a Haze V3 and really like but it will be relegated to portable status as the Cano will be my daily driver now. The Haze is great little unit but it just can not compare to the efficiency and output of the Cano. Ive wanted one of these for years but the price was just too steep, as Im on a fixed income. Anyway, I now own the best Vape out there and am a very happy vaper.

P.s anyone in Canada can come to Alberta in a town called medicine hat a store called Penny Profit, they are selling classics for 600CAD with the easy valve or Digits for 700CAD which is

430usd classic w easy
500usd digit w easy

I think you can choose a solid valve if you like.

Good prices

 

[blackstone]

Seems a lot of people did good from that vapeusa sale, I had never heard of them. Do they do that every once in a while or are they closing down?

Damn...it seems I really am getting lucky with this vendor. I was really glad the bag was already assembled for me.

Any of you Volcano experts got tips for using it with a dinky load?

One night and three loads in:
- Did I mention the thing is Huge?
- The bowl is Huge as well...great for parties, we'll see how it goes for small solo sessions
- Where do I hook my whip up to this thing?
- Fastest bag filler ever
- Still the best valve system out there
- Simple to use and built like a tank

My first load was smaller than I want to use...just enough to completely cover the screen and the first bag was decent. Not enough herb in there for a second one. The second load was what I normally use, which I want to cut back from, and I got three really good bags out of it. Final load was ridiculously large...a little over half the bowl was filled. I could only do one bag, though, as I passed out within the hour!

I've heard this thing can be efficient, so bring it on!

I (jokingly) connected a whip to my Easy valve bowl the other night, tasted and smelled so nice it inspired me to buy a S&B portable sometime!

Try turning down the temp to get more bags from larger loads, and vice versa.
Or try turning up your temp real high and experiment with how little you need to fill a bag.

Did you hear the Volcano can be efficient, or the Solid valve can be efficient? I asked S&B to recommend one for efficiency and that's good with small loads (or has the potential to be good with small loads with any future upgrades) and they recommended Easy valve, dont know why, they are more tight lipped than camels behind!

One thing I do is take out your abv from the heating chamber. then crush it up in my hand. Put it back in the heating chamber.
For a few more bags.

Oh thank god, somebody else does this, I thought I was MAD for doing it!!
just seen your username...

Amen...I was glad it auto-shutoff last night, because I sure as hell did!

It allows you to relax completely!
I remember reading nay-sayers saying "Oh I would get so mad if my Volcano kept switching off like that",
but when I think of it, it would be nothing like the mad I would get if I woke after 8 hrs sleep and the thing had been left on, wasting electricity, and contravening the makers recommendations ! Or burning my face if I rolled on top of it!

If I want to use a really small load I just put a fine screen on top and blow the bag on max temp. Can get a potent bag from next to nothing!

This is well true! And lately, i quit using a screen
or the oil pad on top, and I find no difference it still works as good imo!

How much energy does the 'cano consume?

@warming up?
@keeping heat?
@filling the bag?

i would really like to know.

I estimate:

@warming up? 100W
@keeping heat? 0-100W varying, and cycling on/off
@filling the bag? 111W (air pump and heating the incoming air)

Keeping heat uses a bit as you'l see it cycling with varying intensity but nothing like when it's warming up or filling a bag.
I connected an electricity meter to the Volcano when I got it, as I was afraid I'd use too much power, and the meter couldn't even register the use as it had a min load of around 6A I think.

I made sure to get the digit. I vaguely remembered that auto shut-off was pretty much the only plus, other than the digital screen. I don't regret it. Volcano Digit.. It's like owning.. My Mighty's (screen) grandparent.

How many bags did you pack? lol
I may sound pretty the vapor nerd (which I am) but I want to try the solid valve too.

Or not. Seems too heavy.

I feel like I had a go at the entire S&B family. Which I did.
I started banging the little sister, then went to the bigger one, the Mighty. Then the ugly one, which I don't regret at all, the Plenty. We fucked (combustion) hard and that's the focus.
Plenty's bowl can be very helpful for pain relief.
Then I pointed to mother Volcano which is my best purchase ever.
Like being 12 again.

One other plus is that the Digit can be set as low as 40C, and around 100 or lower can be good for evaporating alcohol from cotton or impregnated oil pads. I used a strange cotton alcohol wipe method for harvesting condensate from the inside of used Volcano bags the other night, and blew off the alcohol with the volcano on low, then vaped the cotton at high.
I too thought I might try the solid valve at one point but I'll save my money. I've heard of people that bought both but never opened one etc
You dont need to save your money though, as you've already owned every S&B vape by the sounds of it! ha!
You can also replace the easy valve bags with turkey bags, or with the solid valve rolls,
So there's very little that you can do with the Solid valve system, that you cant already do with the Easy valve, I think.
Enjoy the vaping!

How many bags do you guys typically get from a load of about .4g?

I've been scouring Craigslist for a long time looking for a cheap Volcano with no luck, so that fire sale at vapeusa was a great opportunity for me to get a bag vape for large groups. I'm very impressed so far.

I outlined some usage a page or two back where I got 9 bags from 0.5g, by dividing the 0.5g into 9 pinches and adding the pinches one by one for each bag with out removing anything.
I also got a 10th bag from regrinding what was in the bowl at the end and running that through again. This was all done at 208C.
I've had strange, seemingly hard to control results from filling large amounts at once and trying to get multiple bags just from temperature adjustment,
but that will be my next experiment.
I'll put 0.25g in at a time, twice, and I'll put in a full 0.5g, and drop the temps way down, see if I can match the 9 or 10 bags good enough.

 

[Stu]

I just packed a full bowl of lightly-vaped ABV and set the temp to max. Let's see how well this thing extracts the sleepy-time goodies.

See you all on the other side!

 

[TboneToker]

@Stu Jesus, please report back hoping you are awake now and the bag didn't put you to sleep indefinitely!

 

[jim-bob]

..another one sacrificed to the Volcano.

 

[Popcorn Lung]

I missed out on the fire sale for the volcano. I cried myself to sleep last night. If there is another sale anywhere on the interwebs please message me!

 

[olysh pops]

[...] How many bags do you guys typically get from a load of about .4g? [...]

Hi

With .4g hash, I get 8-9 bags with thick vapor; first and last one are less thick.

Hope you can enjoy your Volcano.

 

[Stu]

@Stu Jesus, please report back hoping you are awake now and the bag didn't put you to sleep indefinitely!

Thanks for the concern, TT.

I got a great night's sleep for sure. That bag on max was super cloudy even though it was loaded with ABV. When my head hit the pillow this is how I felt:

Spoiler: Stu's head hits the pillow

 

[vapeguy]

Thanks @rshetts ! Would that be any different than using the spacer that is already part of the solid valve? I like that the design lets me shrink the size height of the bowl. Unfortunately, nothing can be done about the diameter...

The spacer pad is only needed for the easy valve that doesn't have an adjustable size chamber like the solid valve. I much prefer the solid valve for this reason and cheaper custom size bags.

I too thought I might try the solid valve at one point but I'll save my money. I've heard of people that bought both but never opened one etc
You dont need to save your money though, as you've already owned every S&B vape by the sounds of it! ha!
You can also replace the easy valve bags with turkey bags, or with the solid valve rolls,
So there's very little that you can do with the Solid valve system, that you cant already do with the Easy valve, I think.

S&B are probably biased to recommend the easy valve as it makes them a lot more money.

One major advantage to the solid valve is that it has an adjustable size chamber with a telescoping top screen allowing you to use any amount from tiny to enormous with no spacer pads needed. This alone makes it a far better option.

 

[stickstones]

One major advantage to the solid valve is that it has an adjustable size chamber with a telescoping top screen allowing you to use any amount from tiny to enormous with no spacer pads needed. This alone makes it a far better option.

Thanks for this...pretty much seals it for me. A fortuitous fuck up by them for me!

After talking to some peeps, I decided to pack a big bowl and use it throughout the evening. I figured I should get four really good bags out of that bowl, but I didn't need it. I put in what I would normally use in a long night and the first bag had me senseless for hours! Normally I recharge every hour or two, but this bag lasted me from 4:30 to about 9:00! I blew a second bag to recharge and use for a nightcap and it knocked me out. I still have that bowl there for later.

Since I grew up on log vapes, efficiency for me is about using a small amount and getting good vapor. Those that grew up on the Volcano see efficiency as loading a big bowl and using it for a long time. Either way works, and I'm enjoying the new method.

I like how easy the bowl is to load, and it's not statically charged so little bits don't get attracted to the edges and fuck it up. I'm gonna call it Big & Fast, because it's the biggest vape I own and it blows bags up so fast I have to really pay attention!

 

[Rider_on_the_vape]

I will end up with a large collection of vapes lol

Wher abouts do you get your vapes from ?


I had a look at a video for the vapeman and it looks a neat piece of kit,I have a vapo-bowl but don't want to be carrying around bong for it,really need a pocket size one

That's me ordered my vapeman today can't wait for it to come to get outside vaping

 

[Poostuff]

The spacer pad is only needed for the easy valve that doesn't have an adjustable size chamber like the solid valve. I much prefer the solid valve for this reason and cheaper custom size bags.

S&B are probably biased to recommend the easy valve as it makes them a lot more money.

One major advantage to the solid valve is that it has an adjustable size chamber with a telescoping top screen allowing you to use any amount from tiny to enormous with no spacer pads needed. This alone makes it a far better option.

Glad you're enjoying the volcano again & I get that you prefer the solid valve vapeguy. I agree with a lot of what you say but recommending it as a better option for everyone is just wrong.
Yes the solid valve is cheaper in the long run due to the price of the bags & you can make any size you want. I see this as an advantage but didn't care about that when I bought mine. I'd never used a bag vape & was kinda confused by them so I just wanted something easy, that's why I bought the easy valve. I found it easy to clean & rebuild & I've never even used the steel wool spacer because I like the size of the chamber & just pack it full. I doubt I'd telescope it if I could. I have other vaporizers which I find more enjoyable to use with smaller loads than the volcano.
Now after using the volcano for a couple of years I'd sometimes prefer to make larger bags & I always enjoy a fresh one so perhaps the solid valve would suit me better now.
All I'm trying to say is pointing out pros & cons of the one you use is fine but recommending one valve as a better option for everyone seems strange when you don't even know other people's requirements.

 

[blackstone]

One major advantage to the solid valve is that it has an adjustable size chamber with a telescoping top screen allowing you to use any amount from tiny to enormous with no spacer pads needed. This alone makes it a far better option.

And I'd like to point out that I have proved I can put anything in an Easy valve chamber from around 0.05 to 0.5g, with no pad or anything else and it works perfectly!
S&B never recommended using pads for herbs with Volcano, that's something you heard down a dark alleyway!
Also some garb I read on a S&B flyer (fair enough they might prefer easy valve sales!), but it says Easy valve is the optimal system for a Volcano, the favorable flow geometry minimizes condensation, filling chamber hardly needs to be cleaned.
It may be good with small loads as the wide chamber lessens the tendency of the contents to whizz about?
I have to say, I was looking at exploded diagrams of the two lately, and I admire the guys who simplified it down and lessened the number of parts.
One way I recently thought the Solid Valve could suit some better, was because it looks easier to hold for large or sore hands, albeit a bit heavier looking. As the Easy valve bags can seem a little small and fiddly for me to hold onto every now and then.
Other than that though, being a highly satisfied Easy valve owner, and from what I've read here, I would estimate that they are both great systems!
It would be cool if I lived near a solid valve owner and we could hook up and demo to each other (bore each other to tears)!

 

[Poostuff]

Wow with a fresh bag & a clean chamber the volcano is smooth. I'd forgotten how nice it is. I think build up in the chamber can make the vapor a little harsh. Anyway I decided to reclaim & clean my easy valve chamber, here's a before & after shot.

 

[Rider_on_the_vape]

Wow with a fresh bag & a clean chamber the volcano is smooth. I'd forgotten how nice it is. I think build up in the chamber can make the vapor a little harsh. Anyway I decided to reclaim & clean my easy valve chamber, here's a before & after shot.

What did you clean it out with ?

 

[Poostuff]

I just scraped up what I could @Rider_on_the_vape it's always pretty thick & I roll it into a ball. You could soak it in iso & get all of it but I just scrubbed the rest off.

 

[TboneToker]

I just scraped up what I could @Rider_on_the_vape it's always pretty thick & I roll it into a ball. You could soak it in iso & get all of it but I just scrubbed the rest off.

Run your volcano for a bit on high, then iso it, it comes off like a charm

 

[Archimedes]

Hello everyone been lurking on this thread for a while now, you guys convinced me to buy a brand new volcano (digit/easy valve) and it just came in the mail today, I'm excited about using it but I like to be as knowledgeable about these types of things as I can be before I start using it. I have been reading up on this thread, as well as watching a few videos and I heard from several sources that before using your volcano for the first time you should burn off any manufacturing oils that may be left in it. My question is what would be the best way to do it without damaging any parts of the volcano? I've heard several different ways from turning it on the highest setting and letting the fan run for anywhere between 5-20 minutes, or just turning it on high and leaving it be until it auto shuts off. Any advice from people who have done this before using the volcano. Thanks!!

 

[blackstone]

Hello everyone been lurking on this thread for a while now, you guys convinced me to buy a brand new volcano (digit/easy valve) and it just came in the mail today, I'm excited about using it but I like to be as knowledgeable about these types of things as I can be before I start using it. I have been reading up on this thread, as well as watching a few videos and I heard from several sources that before using your volcano for the first time you should burn off any manufacturing oils that may be left in it. My question is what would be the best way to do it without damaging any parts of the volcano? I've heard several different ways from turning it on the highest setting and letting the fan run for anywhere between 5-20 minutes, or just turning it on high and leaving it be until it auto shuts off. Any advice from people who have done this before using the volcano. Thanks!!

The worst offender from what I remember, was the liquid pad, which is typical of a metal product made with metal machines, but you could also be unlucky with oil deposits on the filling chamber metal parts, or inner heater core.
In my noob-ness, it never dawned on me that I could have disassembled the filling chamber parts and washed them with iso or vape wipes first.
As for the burn in procedure, there was some concern that if you ran the unit with full heat, and an empty filling chamber, that the heater may have to work too hard to keep up but I don't think this is a problem.
If you're worried you could put a cotton ball in the chamber while your doing it, this will add air resistance and might also help soak away any oils when hot,
or keep your fan bursts short, or lower the temp 5 degrees.
You could also not use the fan if you are highly concerned that the fan should only blow a bag? But mind your fingers when removing the filling chamber.
I did quite a bit of burn off but got impatient and still tasted machine oil in my first few bags, maybe it was the liquid pad, or I got that one Volcano where the guy changes the tooling in the machine. But I'm still alive!

Edit- Sorry, I forgot to say, enjoy the new vape and welcome to the forum!
You probably could not damage it if you tried, but as long as you don't smell "new heater smell" anymore you should be ready to rock!
The company don't say anything about it in the guidebook.
Please let us know if you smell what I thought I smelled!
(perhaps mine happened from handling the new vape first, then the filling chamber, and eventually handling my herbs when loading, cant remember)

Wow with a fresh bag & a clean chamber the volcano is smooth. I'd forgotten how nice it is. I think build up in the chamber can make the vapor a little harsh. Anyway I decided to reclaim & clean my easy valve chamber, here's a before & after shot.

I did it after 1 month I got three bags from just the scrapings!
(It tastes a thousand times nicer than the stem stuff from my Solo?)
Was just thinking two things the other night, "this Volcano is kind of killing my throat a bit lately" and, "I need to clean this thing out again soon"
But I never put the two together and figured it out! Was just thinking my stuff was too strong or not flushed well.
Now that you mention it, I think I remember it really cleaning things up when I did it.
My next job! Thanks

Run your volcano for a bit on high, then iso it, it comes off like a charm

The Volcano can be such a handy vaporist's tool for all those odd jobs!
I used it last night to heat Solo stems for wiping with cotton, then vaped the cotton with it! Heating screens for wiping and cleaning.
It's great for blowing hot air through various mediums, or things you may not want to suck on or inhale

 

[TboneToker]

Completely unnecessary, you do not need to run your volcano before using it and it doesn't say this in the Manual

 

[MinnBobber]

What approx diameter in inches is a Solid Valve inflated bag?
I'm looking at a couple bag mods.
Thanks

Burn off needed question:
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Completely unnecessary, you do not need to run your volcano before using it and it doesn't say this in the Manual

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I could not find it a second time but I did view a decent Volcano review where they recommended running a new Volcano for 20 minutes on high and then with empty bowl and fan for 5 minutes.
It would get rid of any machining /assembly oil and contamination.
It won't hurt to do a burn off and a couple folks reported the first one or two bags had an off taste so it might alleviate that.

 

[blackstone]

What approx diameter in inches is a Solid Valve inflated bag?
I'm looking at a couple bag mods.
Thanks

Well, An Easy Valve bag, and the Volcano itself are approx. 8" dia. and I think they all have the same diameter, and pictures seem to confirm.
Hope this helps!

 

[Rider_on_the_vape]

See the used balloon bags can you do anything with them ? It was just while changing them the used one was sticky and I was wondering if that could be of any use

 

[blackstone]

See the used balloon bags can you do anything with them ? It was just while changing them the used one was sticky and I was wondering if that could be of any use

A good few pages back, there are methods for bags that have heavy deposits from a few months to a year old but I had a few lately with light deposits so the method was simple now that I'm learning how to reclaim everything!

Set Volcano to full temp. and run hot air through a new cotton ball (or other medium) placed in the chamber for a couple of bursts to evaporate any contamination (you can skip this if your already satisfied that your medium has no bad stuff that will affect taste or health).

Set Volcano to temp between 90-130C for evaporating alcohol in a moment.
Cut open bag(s) and spread out somewhere, sticky side up (this might get messy, I'll outline a way of improving this later).
Wet the cotton ball completely with iso alcohol and wipe all the plastic bag to first wet the resin.
Then quickly try and mop/wipe/rub up as much sticky liquid as you can with the cotton ball.

Evaporate all the alcohol using a mixture of resting the chamber on the volcano for short periods, fan bursts, and opening the chamber turning the cotton. (Ensure yourself good ventilation for all this!!!)

Set to your normal temp and fill bags using cotton ball! Enjoy!

(The method for tidying up the bag wiping process is to maybe try and hang the cut bag like a hammock, so you have a sort of puddle in the middle where everything might gather better? But I haven't tried this yet)