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vapewithape
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Ok after using my digital Volcano for a few weeks i have some more questions
I am still vaping at 446 degrees F as that is the best for extracting the most vapor/potency
However everyone talks about using 0.2 to 0.3 each time they vape that is just not economical for me
I prefer to have 3-6 sessions a day so if i use 0.2 thats over a gram
Instead what i have been doing is putting 0.05 - 0.1 and let it cover the screen and then use the liquid pad to prevent the trees from flying around inside
Something to keep in mind i pack very small amounts and only fill one bag, the second bag is usually empty. This way I have one fresh bag rather than one fresh bag and 2 mediocre ones.
Now this is where my questions begin:
1. what would be a more efficient and easier way for me to vape? small amount + liquipad, small amounts NO liquipad, or a reducing chamber + dosing capsules
I really dont want to mess with refilling the capsules as sometimes in one session i will fill the chamber 4-5 times with a very miniscule amount and get one bag and do it 3-4 more times
2. Should i buy the regular size EZ fill bag refills or the XL? Some friends told me bigger bags = more resin inside the bag collecting and thus less in your lungs. Others say getting the XL bag means you get that extra bit of vapor esp for me since i am not filling a second bag each chamber since i use so little
I want to make an order on S&B website for 6 more EZ fill bags, few more liquipads since i only have one, and possibly the reducing chamber + dosing capsules + magazine.
After reading thru the last 16 pages of threads I see that using the reducing chamber without the dosing capsules is not an option i guess my true question is what will produce better (stronger and thicker) vapor my current mini amounts + liquipad or the dosing capsules
Would like to place this order tomorrow as my bag is old and needs replacing
40 dosing caps + magazine + reducing chamber is like $30 or $90 if i get the separate chamber i really dont want to spend the extra money but will do it if it helps me conserve bud. I notice that i am using more trees than normally combusting and i am grinding my trees into fine dust as it is super dried out before i even grind
As usual any and all help is greatly appreciated
I am still vaping at 446 degrees F as that is the best for extracting the most vapor/potency
However everyone talks about using 0.2 to 0.3 each time they vape that is just not economical for me
I prefer to have 3-6 sessions a day so if i use 0.2 thats over a gram
Instead what i have been doing is putting 0.05 - 0.1 and let it cover the screen and then use the liquid pad to prevent the trees from flying around inside
Something to keep in mind i pack very small amounts and only fill one bag, the second bag is usually empty. This way I have one fresh bag rather than one fresh bag and 2 mediocre ones.
Now this is where my questions begin:
1. what would be a more efficient and easier way for me to vape? small amount + liquipad, small amounts NO liquipad, or a reducing chamber + dosing capsules
I really dont want to mess with refilling the capsules as sometimes in one session i will fill the chamber 4-5 times with a very miniscule amount and get one bag and do it 3-4 more times
2. Should i buy the regular size EZ fill bag refills or the XL? Some friends told me bigger bags = more resin inside the bag collecting and thus less in your lungs. Others say getting the XL bag means you get that extra bit of vapor esp for me since i am not filling a second bag each chamber since i use so little
I want to make an order on S&B website for 6 more EZ fill bags, few more liquipads since i only have one, and possibly the reducing chamber + dosing capsules + magazine.
After reading thru the last 16 pages of threads I see that using the reducing chamber without the dosing capsules is not an option i guess my true question is what will produce better (stronger and thicker) vapor my current mini amounts + liquipad or the dosing capsules
Would like to place this order tomorrow as my bag is old and needs replacing
40 dosing caps + magazine + reducing chamber is like $30 or $90 if i get the separate chamber i really dont want to spend the extra money but will do it if it helps me conserve bud. I notice that i am using more trees than normally combusting and i am grinding my trees into fine dust as it is super dried out before i even grind
As usual any and all help is greatly appreciated
Silat
When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.
446F is that correct? That is too high. 358F give or take is optimal as far as I know.
http://www.weedist.com/2012/07/tailoring-high-compounds-in-cannabis-properties-boiling-points/
http://fuckcombustion.com/resources/temperature-controlled-vaporizing.3/
https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/how-to-customize-a-cannabis-high-with-temperature
https://blog.smokazon.com/getting-the-right-vaping-temperature-whats-your-sweet-spot/
vapewithape
New Member
Find that i get more vapor over 400F thats why i vape so high
I use very minimal amounts so barely get vapor
NevadaPradah
Active Member
i assume he said that because the Volcano only goes up to the mac of 445 degrees F
But i do agree with more vapor is produced in the higher 400 degrees temperature range. Nothing wrong with that though, as combustion is at 450+ degrees F. i vape at 445 degrees F every day.
But please do remember the quality and also the amount of herbs you use per dose does contribute to how much vapor is produced.
vapewithape
New Member
Any recommendations on bag size?
I am looking to place an order today with S&B for 6 new bags, should i get regular size or XL EZ fill?
Ive heard pros and cons to both just need more opinions from experienced users on here
Also im a little confused as to when to change the bag. Ive been vaping non stop 3-6 sessions a day for the past 2-3 weeks on a bag i opened fresh from the package. No yellowing, definitely not as clear but doesnt look visibly dirty to the eyes. When should i use the new bags that I will be ordering?
Also in regards to vapor production, i use very little amount of bud + liquipad is that the most efficient way to prevent the buds from flying around
NevadaPradah
Active Member
i have never used the XL bags, but i have always thought the smaller bags are better mainly because the vapor will be thicker
Replacing bags really depends on how much its been used like said, but it not being clear as new is totally fine. If it has enough resin on the bag to effect the taste or airflow then it should be replaced for sure.
i never use the pads as i use larger sized loads, but yeah the pad should help if using super small amounts
h3rbalist
I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
Personally i would buy five rolls of quiet bag material on ebay.
Then watch the youtube vid of someone showing you how to make your own easy valve bags.
I used to have two bags. One small for the first fill.. then a regular one for the others.
This way the small bag stays tasty longer.
And you'll have quiet bags.
Win, win.
TheVaporist
Man is a universe within himself
Are you talking about Reynold's turkey bags?
They are damn expensive to import in EU, but way more silent than the original one for sure!
h3rbalist
I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
TheVaporist
Man is a universe within himself
Wow they even came from Germany, I thank you a lot for bringing this to me!
Do they stay silent when clogged or am I dreaming too much?
And again, thanks h3rbalist
h3rbalist
I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
No.Wow they even came from Germany, I thank you a lot for bringing this to me!
Do they stay silent when clogged or am I dreaming too much?
And again, thanks h3rbalist
They slowly get louder over time but still a good 50% quieter than the original overall.
@Ratchett
Is an easy valve mouthpiece to bubbler adapter possible?
So you could fill a bag then lock it straight onto a water piece.
Prototype built last night, printed first version this morning. Very happy with the results. Still need a bit more work to make it air-tight to glass, but almost there
Would you guys rather have dedicated 14mm and 18mm options, or would you want a 18/14mm all-in-one adapter.
MinnBobber
Well-Known Member
Indeed our kind FC member shipped me both an EZ valve and a Solid Valve. Although I haven't played with the Solid Valve yet, that's next on my list
zoldar
Member
Found a great use for old used cano bags...bag milk! Using whole fat milk I take the old bags and cut them open and into 4 pieces , simmer in 1/2 gallon of whole fat milk for about 15 minutes. The resulting bag milk taste horrible so mix in a milk shake or protein shake. Warning this can be very strong - depending on the age of the bags and material that was vaped. I normally use 4-6 oz in a shake...8 oz if I'm feeling froggy!
Turkey roasting bags work great with the easy valve setup. So much easier to change and way less noise.
Turkey roasting bags work great with the easy valve setup. So much easier to change and way less noise.
FOAMING MAD
Well-Known Member
What I like doing, is take the easy valve mouthpiece off the bag. Then put the bag on a 14mm
water oil rig. Works great.
water oil rig. Works great.
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Baron23
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HI Silat - I really don't agree with that temp being optimum at all. All of those temp of evaporation tables were done with pure sample of the specific cannabinoid in a vacuum. Add normal atmospheric pressure, mix with other volatile cannabinoids, and put it all in a plant cellulose matrix which still will have plenty of water vapor and I really believe two things:
1) it ain't as binary as those tables would lead you to believe. I believe you will find specific cannabinoids evaporating at various rates across a span of temps from somewhat below what the tables say to well above it. Personally, I have found with my Digit, that I like about 385 in general and will bump up to 422 to really drain the last sedative bit. I find 358 to be pretty light and if I want go lighter its more like 365 (yeah, not a lot of difference).
Actually, the Digit goes up to 446 as the OP stated. Check out S&B's website on the product.
Not sure what Ratchett has come up with but I do support Delta 3D Studios and love what he does and his products. As I said, I don't know what he has come up with but there is a GonG available for EV bags. I have one an found that putting the Volcano bag through a water tool is a mixed bag in terms of results. Bag gets in the way (of course would not if a whip was used between Gong and WT) and bags are diluted enough by the fan in my view and putting it through a WT left me a bit wanting in vapor density. Now, if I'm blasting a 422 F or above sleep time killer, maybe in a dosing capsule with a bit of shatter sandwiched in there, a WT would be great to take some of the harshness out.Prototype built last night, printed first version this morning. Very happy with the results. Still need a bit more work to make it air-tight to glass, but almost there
Would you guys rather have dedicated 14mm and 18mm options, or would you want a 18/14mm all-in-one adapter.
Again, not trying to redirect from Ratchett's efforts, just offered a little different input.
http://www.planetvape.ca/volcano-easy-valve-gong-adapter.html
Kirudub
Well-Known Member
Been lurking here since the Pax first came out.
I just got a Volcano Classic as an "upgrade" from the S&B Crafty, which had its' battery die on me 3 times (and I'm not even a heavy user).
S&B offered to let me upgrade to any of the other products, so I decided to go for the 'Cano Classic. I decided against the Digital since I'm untrusting of S&Bs' electronics QA department.
Might be unjustified, since the Digital has been around for a while, while the Crafty is relatively new to the market, but I've seen capsule style buttons die too many times to count, so figured that rocker switches would be more reliable, and I plan on keeping this sucker for the duration. So $40 extra dollars for the Classic, the Easy Valcve kit, and a reducer made me a happy S&B customer.
Overall I'm extremely happy with it, and I'm able to use .01g and get at least a few good bags' worth. I also have a reducer, but don't know if it helps or hinders extraction with small amounts. Since the airspace is constricted, I assume that there might not be as much contact with the surface area of the material; but I also must consider that the engineering behind the reducer isn't arbitrary. I've combed through this thread, but haven't seen anyone remark on it.
So I've just been using the default bowl & letting the material fly around. =) I periodically open the assembly and reposition the material between bags, which seems to help a little. I usually have the dial "set" between 6.5 - 7.5.
Extraction, as far as by weight, shows a reduction of 50% (ie. .01 before vaping will result in .05 post vaping).
The best part for me is that there's zero resistance when drawing in; by comparison, my Firefly 2 is like sucking cement trough a straw!
I just got a Volcano Classic as an "upgrade" from the S&B Crafty, which had its' battery die on me 3 times (and I'm not even a heavy user).
S&B offered to let me upgrade to any of the other products, so I decided to go for the 'Cano Classic. I decided against the Digital since I'm untrusting of S&Bs' electronics QA department.
Might be unjustified, since the Digital has been around for a while, while the Crafty is relatively new to the market, but I've seen capsule style buttons die too many times to count, so figured that rocker switches would be more reliable, and I plan on keeping this sucker for the duration. So $40 extra dollars for the Classic, the Easy Valcve kit, and a reducer made me a happy S&B customer.
Overall I'm extremely happy with it, and I'm able to use .01g and get at least a few good bags' worth. I also have a reducer, but don't know if it helps or hinders extraction with small amounts. Since the airspace is constricted, I assume that there might not be as much contact with the surface area of the material; but I also must consider that the engineering behind the reducer isn't arbitrary. I've combed through this thread, but haven't seen anyone remark on it.
So I've just been using the default bowl & letting the material fly around. =) I periodically open the assembly and reposition the material between bags, which seems to help a little. I usually have the dial "set" between 6.5 - 7.5.
Extraction, as far as by weight, shows a reduction of 50% (ie. .01 before vaping will result in .05 post vaping).
The best part for me is that there's zero resistance when drawing in; by comparison, my Firefly 2 is like sucking cement trough a straw!
TheVaporist
Man is a universe within himself
That's a really good deal!
I wasn't aware about a volcano upgrade from a crafty, that's interesting.
You'll be enjoying your volcano for a very long time, I've mine for a decade of daily usage and he's rock solid!
A balloon to you!
Kirudub
Well-Known Member
^^ And to you, good sir.
Yeah, I decided on the Volcano since I never used the Crafty outside of the home, and I wanted something essentially "bulletproof" and time-tested. I could've gotten a MIghty, or the Plenty, etc.
The upgrade offer was unexpected, and a pleasant change, what with all the grief that the Crafty batteries were giving me.
Yeah, I decided on the Volcano since I never used the Crafty outside of the home, and I wanted something essentially "bulletproof" and time-tested. I could've gotten a MIghty, or the Plenty, etc.
The upgrade offer was unexpected, and a pleasant change, what with all the grief that the Crafty batteries were giving me.
Baron23
Well-Known Member
Hi Kirudub - I did buy a Digit because I wanted very accurate control of temperature but I understand your point about the momentary action switches which I assume hit a digital circuit in the display/control module for on/off. But so far its been rock solid and if I break a switch in a few years, they are easily sourced or I can send it off to S&B. I don't think the Digit has any sort of issues like the Crafty. Actually, the Crafty seems to be their only problem child and its been a real brat with serious reliability issues.
I though I posted somewhere about my experience with the reduced chamber (RC) and dosing capsules (DC). My experience is that putting herb in the RC without a DC ain't the way to go. Herb blew out of the reduced chamber (although not out of the chamber assembly entirely) and didn't seem effective to me. However, the RC with the DC does seem to work well and .15 is about all I can get into it absolute max (with very fine grind and filled to the top). .1 is more like it.
I use the RC/DC when I want to make a sandwich with herb and concentrate. Otherwise, I agree with you, small loads in the regular chamber, blown around by the air stream, seems to work very well. I'm running about .2 g, just enough to cover the bottom screen, and if I'm done before it is, then I just set the chamber aside for the next session without any consequences as far as I can tell.
My best wishes to you and your new best friend. I believe that you will find the Volcano to be effective, efficient, and very reliable.
Thcgos
Vape Addict
You might want to cover the load when using it in the reducer chamber without the dosing capsule.
You can use a crafty/DC liquid pad or the pac man top screen method (if you bought spare screens for the reducing chamber).
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SMODomite
Well-Known Member
How easy is cleaning the solid valve for the Volcano? Hoping to purchase my Volcano Classic sometime in August when i will finally have the funds saved up, and have been going back and forth between the solid and EZ valve. The EZ is clearly less maintenance but having to purchase replacement bags could end up being pricey depending how often you need to do it. I don't mind the cleaning process though, so if it is relatively easy to clean the solid valve and reattach bags to it I would probably prefer to go that route. Let me know what your experiences have been, thanks!
Baron23
Well-Known Member
Yes, indeed...but for what purpose? To me, in the Volcano, the Reduced Chamber seems intended, and works best, with a dosing capsule.