Vestratto Tornado heating tips

[Dejavu]

I have a custom insert coming in for my wand, I like inserting it from the back but it heats it up way more darker avb on the click. Can insert from top but do not turn it on until its all the way in otherwise an error occurs from the head going in and out while in automode when inserting versus having it in then hitting automode

I'm using the bottom, with a small silicone mat cut sitting on top of the glass and heating it up nicely. dark avb on the click.( you can use a pipe screen and sit it on tthat upside down too)

if my(the person who makes adapters, not affiliated with them) custom adapter comes out nice, i'll post it here and how to get it.

my tempnado

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

Glad I can finally add to this thread!

So for me it’s been torch only. I like to really RTL as dark brown as I can get it before charring. This is also post break in period for the clickers - took a few days of use before they “settled” and I could properly rely on them

Firstly it’s the standard Dynavap torch - you yanks know them as eagle torches I think? Over here they’re branded Prof. The ones with the big tank. Most head shops have them for less than £5 and the fuel takes ages to run out. It’s ideal that it works with this torch as they’re so easy to acquire.

For this torch I’ll turn it as high as possible without the flame cutting out, and then heat about 1-2mm above the air inlets. Wait till first click and rip. My AVB is constantly very dark brown, with a noticeably conduction heavy roast and effects. Very dependable and easy technique. Go higher if you want it less dark. Not much flavour due to long heat up cooking terps. It’s not my preferred method but it’s a reliable fallback.

Next is the RONXS/Cadrim. It’s been around the Vestratto community for a while as the torch of choice for Anvil. I picked mine up for £15 on amazon with next day delivery. Has a dual jet option which is very powerful, haven’t played with it much on the Tornado yet.

Currently I keep it on single flame mode. I’ll do the flame length so the main blue flame runs from the top of the oven to halfway down the atomiser. Heat dead middle of oven until click. Gives very dark brown AVB with a more hybrid lean to the effects and better flavour than the small single. Takes around 20-30secs to click. Again, go higher for lighter roasts or turn the flame down.

This vape is very easy to heat, I’ve actually been surprised as it took me a while to learn the Anvil and expected similar growing pains

 

[Fearless Disaster]

Hello! I am primarily a Tempest user but want to try the tornado. If I leave the tempest insert in the wand at the right setting for the tempest is is still possible to heat the tornado up well? I would love to try the tornado but having to reset the wand every time between the tempest and tornado would probably prevent me from using both

 

[RedZep]

Hello! I am primarily a Tempest user but want to try the tornado. If I leave the tempest insert in the wand at the right setting for the tempest is is still possible to heat the tornado up well? I would love to try the tornado but having to reset the wand every time between the tempest and tornado would probably prevent me from using both

It will get stuck and you will end up breaking the glass insert. Fit is too tight.

 

[PossumMD]

Hello! I am primarily a Tempest user but want to try the tornado. If I leave the tempest insert in the wand at the right setting for the tempest is is still possible to heat the tornado up well? I would love to try the tornado but having to reset the wand every time between the tempest and tornado would probably prevent me from using both

I flip the adaptor around. Takes less than 30s to readjust it. Have used a silicone dab cap before, but that takes longer to swap. Will probably get a second IH one day, but that feels a lot more like a "want" than a "need" at this stage.

 

[Fearless Disaster]

got it thanks! i suppose i can always add some kind of indexing mark to make installing the insert easy. thank you!

 

[RedZep]

I'm struggling to get results with the wand. Fully charged, and at the click I'm getting no where near one hit extraction.

 

[TigoleBitties]

I'm struggling to get results with the wand. Fully charged, and at the click I'm getting no where near one hit extraction.

Seems odd. I would search this thread for @electrokho82's Wand videos. He has several good ones where he demos one hit extractions with the Wand.

Edit: They could be in the regular Tornado thread. Sorry about that, didn't realize this was the heating tips thread.

 

[PossumMD]

I'm struggling to get results with the wand. Fully charged, and at the click I'm getting no where near one hit extraction.

The tornado has a wide variance in clicks and desirable results for users. Go past the click.

 

[DaBouse]

I'm struggling to get results with the wand. Fully charged, and at the click I'm getting no where near one hit extraction.

On a full charge I let my wand run at 480-485 until time out. Very consistent results. The second click happens as the wand goes from blinking to solid.

 

[RedZep]

On a full charge I let my wand run at 480-485 until time out. Very consistent results. The second click happens as the wand goes from blinking to solid.

This might be the issue. With the torch I'm getting good results at one click. I'll try waiting to second with wand. Thank you

 

[PossumMD]

This might be the issue. With the torch I'm getting good results at one click. I'll try waiting to second with wand. Thank you

I'd wait til well after the second click. The person you're replying to is doing it, as am I. Plus, the vapour pours out as it's getting to temp so you're probably gonna get nervous and pull it before you combust. Lord knows I did for a good while.

 

[RedZep]

I'd wait til well after the second click. The person you're replying to is doing it, as am I. Plus, the vapour pours out as it's getting to temp so you're probably gonna get nervous and pull it before you combust. Lord knows I did for a good while.

Yeah my first experoence the vapour was whispy. Then my experienced after the herb cooked in the bowl. This makes me think I got the position correct the first time, but didn't give it long enough. I'll keep experimenting. Thanks.

 

[AndyO]

Yeah my first experoence the vapour was whispy. Then my experienced after the herb cooked in the bowl. This makes me think I got the position correct the first time, but didn't give it long enough. I'll keep experimenting. Thanks.

If it's whispy, put it back in the Wand - that's how you'll get an idea of how much time you want to give it in the Wand. I's better to think of the wand's temperature setting as a timer, moreso than being an adequate gauge of it's temperature.

As other people have suggested, you need to ignore the click with the Wand - this isn't just the case for the Tornado, it's also the case for the Dynavap and the Anvil. It's because with an induction heater you're applying heat directly to the click disc, which I don't think anyone does with a blowtorch.

Ignore the click, play around with some temp settings so it's at your optimum temp at the point it stops pulsing, or at the time it times out.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

As time passes and more torches come and go, for me the torch of choice remains the RONXS. Got a Jobon bullet which I really like, but after a few days I found myself drifting back to the RONXS. The bullet flame is a little “jumpy” which makes it hard to RTL in a consistent way. The RONXS has a very consistent flame, and a wide range of power output which can be adjusted in quite a granular way. Perfect for this vape. Can maximise the convection on offer with one bowl and then maximise conduction the next, or anything between really.

I’ve been messing about with heating the atomiser lately. I said previously I didn’t notice a difference, but then caught John saying in a stream that you ideally want to be directly torching it for a third of the total heatup time. Thought I’d best give it a go and see for myself.

What I like to do is set the flame to be the length of the oven, maybe a hair longer. I’ll fill the bowl no more than 3 quarters of the way full, I find this accounts for the herb expanding with heat and keeps the roast even. I’ll count 10 slow seconds heating the atomiser, then move direct centre of the oven and pull the heat at first click. It amounts to roughly 30-35 seconds total heating so I’m about there with John’s recommendation.

Honestly I’m starting to think there is a “something” here. The vapour does feel a little different, and the effects heavier and longer lasting. Flavour though, forget about it. It doesn’t taste bad but you also won’t be getting much of the strain’s specific notes. This heatup however, has become my choice for strongest possible effects. Maybe it’s really the atomiser, maybe it’s extra conduction. It’s something,

My flavour heatup is the same as described earlier, flame length set from top of oven to halfway down atomiser. Heating mid oven to first click. It’s a good, consistent technique. I’m going to start experimenting with the dual flame though, as I think I can get better flavour yet.

If you’re in the market for a cheap torch that’ll unlock as much Tornado functionality as possible, get the RONXS. Whiff is also a big fan of this torch so I’d not be surprised if a lot of the Tornado testing and calibration was actually done with it.

Sales pitch over, now back to our regular programming

 

[TigoleBitties]

For the Wand users out there, I have a Wand where the glass protecting the coil is wide enough to slide the Tornado through and I can focus the IH field on just the atomizer section and not the bowl at all.

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I get very thick vapor and good results with this method at or even before the very first click. I've read that for some Wands, the Tornado doesn't fit or the fit is way too tight to slide it down but mine seems to have clearance, even after it's expanded a bit from heating.

 

[Testersinc]

My wand is one of those with tighter fit from top so i prefer to insert from the bottom.

Selfcut baking silicone matts "penny" coin size
I have to use about 3 stacks of this matts for right depth and so it doesn't trigger the er1 error.
I also added a rectangular shape matt(or you can use the madheaters white silicone around the coil of wand to block the 3 matts from falling if i flip the wand around + to give caps tighter fit when hands free.

I just set my temp to 800 since i just follow clicks or count blinks/visual vapor queue if i want customizability

Just sharing

 

[CharmCityVapeGuy]

For anyone interested, I just found out that my Tornado in my Ispire Daab at 800 is perfect. You just put it in the coil well resting on the bottom and kick off the session. When it beeps, you're good. My favorite way now.

 

[Fearless Disaster]

My wand is one of those with tighter fit from top so i prefer to insert from the bottom.

Selfcut baking silicone matts "penny" coin size
I have to use about 3 stacks of this matts for right depth and so it doesn't trigger the er1 error.
I also added a rectangular shape matt(or you can use the madheaters white silicone around the coil of wand to block the 3 matts from falling if i flip the wand around + to give caps tighter fit when hands free.

I just set my temp to 800 since i just follow clicks or count blinks/visual vapor queue if i want customizability

Just sharing

this is brilliant! i use my wand with my tempest and have been trying to figure out how to use my new convector and on the way tornado without having to remove and reinsert inserts and line things up that require visual precision. if I'm understanding correctly, with this idea i could make a stack for each device and swap stacks to easily switch between devices!

 

[Testersinc]

this is brilliant! i use my wand with my tempest and have been trying to figure out how to use my new convector and on the way tornado without having to remove and reinsert inserts and line things up that require visual precision. if I'm understanding correctly, with this idea i could make a stack for each device and swap stacks to easily switch between devices!

100% you got the idea. Ty for sure=)

I have 2 wands atm

1st wand. i use for Tempest and dynavaps. I insert from the top. Using MadHeaters glass adapter(best adapter for heat retention) + silicone matts that fits this adapter. I just add silicone stacks when adjusting depth for dynavap / remove the stacks for Tempest vs sliding the glass adapter around(which is harder).

2nd wand. I use for tornado and cxl. I insert from the bottom like the wand in that picture.
I use 3 stacks for tornado
For CXL, i prefer to manual dipping to wand vs static depth

But for sure you can also do for convector to just focus heat on head heater plates.

 

[PrematureEvaporation]

I’ve got a new technique with my Tornado that I’ve been enjoying lately.

So I’ll set the flame of my trusty RONXS to be equal to the length of the oven and entire atomiser. A little longer is fine but don’t go crazy.

I’ll then count 20 seconds directly heating the atomiser, and then move the flame right to the very top of the oven until click.

Usually I’m getting a click around the 30 second mark, with some good flavour and thick, potent vapour. Heating the atomiser with such an intense flame for so long both ensures it’s saturated with enough heat to do its thing, and also helps to slightly delay and smooth out the transfer of heat to the bowl via conduction. This is nice as you’re not getting quite as much terpene loss during heating, but still getting a good final roast and some of those nice sedating conduction effects. Best of both worlds. I’m consistently getting a very even and dark AVB with this technique.

It’s also great for outdoor usage, because you’re heating right next to the clickers and for a short time. This helps avoid the clicker coming in delayed from the wind cooling the outer sleeve as you’re heating. Less distance between the flame and clicker and less time waiting for click is always better when outdoors, in my experience.


Give it a go and see what you think! I only use the RONXS so YMMV with other torches.

 

[SlickHenry]

So been experimenting with the wand and single flame torch with mixed results. The torch is fairly intuitive and I find that it clicks twice with the clicks a couple of seconds apart. The wand is a different story. I heated to the first click and was waiting and waiting but no second click. So naturally I combusted!

My next attempt I thought I would try the hands free method I have seen (setting the want to 525F and waiting for timeout). I don't have any insert so I used a silicone dab pot lid and set the height so the holes are level with the red ring. Well it clicked and then hissed and then I combusted! I think the lack of an insert around the oven means that it is a much more aggressive heat. So I think probably best to just heat to the first click in the wand!

To add insult to injury I tried to rescue the bowl just as it was smoking and dropped the vape on my rug! So have been trying to clean the over in iso and gently scrubbing. All the rug is gone from the oven and it is clean all over but now as a very tarnished look! Will Bar Keepers friend or Brasso remove the tarnish marks or is it not worth spending anymore time on this? It still functions well as I treated my self to a large bowl after cleaning everything for an hour!

 

[Fearless Disaster]

For the Wand users out there, I have a Wand where the glass protecting the coil is wide enough to slide the Tornado through and I can focus the IH field on just the atomizer section and not the bowl at all.

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I get very thick vapor and good results with this method at or even before the very first click. I've read that for some Wands, the Tornado doesn't fit or the fit is way too tight to slide it down but mine seems to have clearance, even after it's expanded a bit from heating.

I tried this but my wand was giving errors in the position as shown. i had to push it further through to get it to heat and then i combusted. do you have to position very exactly to avoid errors?

besides this method, what is the current consensus on how deep to insert the nado into the wand? mine will fit though the front. i have seen techniques of inserting from the front until the dots, i have seen inserting from the back until it touches the back of the front glass. most techniques rely on heating until the second click or even beyond. the targeted heating techniques like the inductor or a torch or @TigoleBitties method seem to get great results at the first click which seems like a much better use of energy but may not be available to the typical wand user? When my tempest 2 arrives i'll try using the v1 insert as a depth stop or perhaps cut some silicone mats.

i thought i'd check in as reddit seems to be all about the set the wand to 800 and just heat until the clicks which seems simple and what i am after. but reading the fc threads i get less of that kind of advice and more discussion about how torches and the inductor do it better. Does anyone have dead simple wand instructions that include how deep to insert and which side to insert from?

 

[TigoleBitties]

I tried this but my wand was giving errors in the position as shown. i had to push it further through to get it to heat and then i combusted. do you have to position very exactly to avoid errors?

besides this method, what is the current consensus on how deep to insert the nado into the wand? mine will fit though the front. i have seen techniques of inserting from the front until the dots, i have seen inserting from the back until it touches the back of the front glass. most techniques rely on heating until the second click or even beyond. the targeted heating techniques like the inductor or a torch or @TigoleBitties method seem to get great results at the first click which seems like a much better use of energy but may not be available to the typical wand user? When my tempest 2 arrives i'll try using the v1 insert as a depth stop or perhaps cut some silicone mats.

i thought i'd check in as reddit seems to be all about the set the wand to 800 and just heat until the clicks which seems simple and what i am after. but reading the fc threads i get less of that kind of advice and more discussion about how torches and the inductor do it better. Does anyone have dead simple wand instructions that include how deep to insert and which side to insert from?

Yeah it sucks that some Wands have different behavior. I've been lucky enough to have never seen an error on mine and it heats the atomizer pretty easily.

Maybe try the method I used to use before:

• Insert the Tornado from the back until it touches the back of the front glass
• Count 16 flashes (+/- 1 flash based on battery level or misc. factors) for the first time if the Tornado is cold. I find the tastiest hits come before any click so I try to avoid them. If it clicks while you're drawing that's fine.
• Count 8 flashes for any re-heats but definitely stop if you hear a click.

One more thing - after loading the bowl with flower, rap the top of the cap with your fingernail to dislodge any flower that might be stuck to the top on the inside. When this happens, it can lead to light scorching.

I can usually get 3-4 big hits from an 2/3 full bowl. Good luck!

 

[GitRekt]

For those that were able to get the BFG Flare to work, do you have tips/settings?