Vestratto Tornado heating tips

[Roffa]

So I don't know if this has been noted before but with all this talk about heating different sections of the Tornado, I realized that I had never made a serious attempt to see if the Tornado fits straight through the Wand - and it does, just barely. I can push the tip through and heat the Vestratto letters area for example or the air inlet holes.

Of course it'll never have the focus of an Inductor tip for "spot heating" but I suppose it still moves the field enough to possibly make a difference. So I tried heating the Vestratto logo as a warm-up for 8 sec before heating the tip normally to just before the click. I didn't notice much of difference. Perhaps if I heat the logo area exclusively until just before the click .... I'll try a few things.

I do that too. First heat up I make sure I favor the letters

 

[TigoleBitties]

I do that too. First heat up I make sure I favor the letters

Ok, cool. Favoring the letters leads to better extraction?

 

[Roffa]

Ok, cool. Favoring the letters leads to better extraction?

I think my theory is that you need less direct heating of the oven. It shortens the heat up time.

 

[akp55]

I've got the Wand pretty much locked in at 600 degrees until time out. I wanted the slowest heat possible with the Wand - so it was about finding the right temperature to get it to time out, for the 1he and the AVB roast that I want, without having to count flashes or listen for clicks.

Makes for a pretty amazing one-hitter, I find it quite different to when I'm heating it with a Ronxs torch, which I use on a single flame, heating just above the dots while rotating.

How far in are you inserting your device and from what side?

 

[AndyO]

How far in are you inserting your device and from what side?

I put the Tornado in from the top and never get errors. I'm inserting it pretty deep - I can only juuust see the dots on the cap.

 

[Roffa]

Inductor progression. I like the 26W setting. Heating is very quick, a 1 second blast here and there and you can surf the Tornado's heat retention.
With the inductor you can heat directly over the holes. That's my favorite spot now.

 

[Zuhdj]

I have gone as low as the thinnest part but right now I'm experimenting with only going down to the section with the logo. I keep it between there and the top edge of the thickest part of the oven. I set the Inner flame to the length of the entire oven plus the clicker, and heat with a gap between the tip of the inner flame and the oven of about a half inch. I would say I'm getting quicker, denser extractions that hit a little harder. Possibly better flavor and a more thorough roast at a similar temp, not sure yet.

Edit: that flame size is just a carryover from my stationary tech though, definitely going to be pumping it up in future experiments

How?! When I heated halfway up the bowl with my Firefox only a quarter of the way turned up and it combusted. The flame wasn't even half the length you're describing. I tried a larger flame lower down initially. I have now combusted twice, wasted half a gram, and honestly ruined my mood. How do I even get one nice session out of this damn thing?

 

[Roffa]

How?! When I heated halfway up the bowl with my Firefox only a quarter of the way turned up and it combusted. The flame wasn't even half the length you're describing. I tried a larger flame lower down initially. I have now combusted twice, wasted half a gram, and honestly ruined my mood. How do I even get one nice session out of this damn thing?

If you torch, don't torch into the holes.

 

[hotmeals]

How?! When I heated halfway up the bowl with my Firefox only a quarter of the way turned up and it combusted. The flame wasn't even half the length you're describing. I tried a larger flame lower down initially. I have now combusted twice, wasted half a gram, and honestly ruined my mood. How do I even get one nice session out of this damn thing?

Here's a pic with the area I was referring to marked just to be sure it's clear.

I also only heat until the first click. If your herb is really dry you may have to be more careful with how much heat you put in and your draw speed to avoid going too hot. If you pack it too tightly, the heat will not be transferred to the herb properly due to the reduced airflow through it. It may also be from your click discs being fresh and needing to break in.

 

[RedZep]

First thing I'm going to try is a triple flame torch aimed halfway up.

 

[Roffa]

First thing I'm going to try is a triple flame torch aimed halfway up.

Go for it. Avoid the little holes. This thing can take a lot of heat.

 

[Knewt]

First thing I'm going to try is a triple flame torch aimed halfway up.

I would unpackaged it first, and maybe load a little herb.

 

[Jack_Fancy M.D.]

Inductor progression. I like the 26W setting. Heating is very quick, a 1 second blast here and there and you can surf the Tornado's heat retention.
With the inductor you can heat directly over the holes. That's my favorite spot now.

Inducting over the air holes was game changing advice over here, ty

 

[TigoleBitties]

Inducting over the air holes was game changing advice over here, ty

Can you guys elaborate on what inducting over the airholes does that makes the experience better?

 

[Jack_Fancy M.D.]

Can you guys elaborate on what inducting over the airholes does that makes the experience better?

My take on it is that using the inductor over the air holes puts some distance between where the heat is being applied and where the weed is

Using the inductor towards the top of the cap is harder to control. Really quick heat up and easy to overshoot

All I know is that it’s easier to get clouds without overshooting and charring or bussin the weed when I induct over the air holes vs towards the top of the oven

 

[TigoleBitties]

My take on it is that using the inductor over the air holes puts some distance between where the heat is being applied and where the weed is

Using the inductor towards the top of the cap is harder to control. Really quick heat up and easy to overshoot

All I know is that it’s easier to get clouds without overshooting and charring or bussin the weed when I induct over the air holes vs towards the top of the oven

Ok I think you guys are on to something. I only have the Wand to experiment with and its field is much less directional compared to the Inductor, but I can still slide the tip through and focus the Wand more on the airholes and less on the tip.

I just tried this for two bowls (I'm f-ckn' zooted!) in the interest of Science , obviously. What I noticed is that the vapor was even more dense, yet still fluffy and easy to inhale. Only two data points but if the trend continues I think this is a winner for Wand users.

 

[Roffa]

Ok I think you guys are on to something. I only have the Wand to experiment with and its field is much less directional compared to the Inductor, but I can still slide the tip through and focus the Wand more on the airholes and less on the tip.

I just tried this for two bowls (I'm f-ckn' zooted!) in the interest of Science , obviously. What I noticed is that the vapor was even more dense, yet still fluffy and easy to inhale. Only two data points but if the trend continues I think this is a winner for Wand users.

Right!? Also, because of the construction and how the copper is sandwiched, I have the impression that the heat distributes fastest from that spot.

 

[Jack_Fancy M.D.]

Right!? Also, because of the construction and how the copper is sandwiched, I have the impression that the heat distributes fastest from that spot

Agreed. I don’t know if there is a difference in extraction results but it is muuuch easier to control and enjoy a consistently delightful experience. I don’t have a wand but if I did I think I’d be trying to focus the heat here and remove from heat once I started seeing vapor.

I just folded some chem de la chem hash in a ball vape bowl screen and jammed that into the tornado, same heating routine as flower. Sublime.

 

[Roffa]

Agreed. I don’t know if there is a difference in extraction results but it is muuuch easier to control and enjoy a consistently delightful experience. I don’t have a wand but if I did I think I’d be trying to focus the heat here and remove from heat once I started seeing vapor.

I just folded some chem de la chem hash in a ball vape bowl screen and jammed that into the tornado, same heating routine as flower. Sublime.

Yup, works with hash too

 

[stonedBBer]

Just got my tornado and put it in my wand and nothing it doesn't heat up at all . It blinks red for a bit then says no load and I've tried 4 times now. First 3 times I tried to keep it in the center of the wand last time I kept it touching the wall of the wand and still zip. Anyone else encountered this ? ):

 

[TigoleBitties]

Just got my tornado and put it in my wand and nothing it doesn't heat up at all . It blinks red for a bit then says no load and I've tried 4 times now. First 3 times I tried to keep it in the center of the wand last time I kept it touching the wall of the wand and still zip. Anyone else encountered this ? ):

I really don't know what would cause that. I guess you've checked that the batteries are all good and it works with a dynavap or something else as a test?

You could try a spacer or a piece of cork that some people mentioned? I know there were sometimes reports of errors when the Tornado was inserted too far.

 

[stonedBBer]

I really don't know what would cause that. I guess you've checked that the batteries are all good and it works with a dynavap or something else as a test?

You could try a spacer or a piece of cork that some people mentioned? I know there were sometimes reports of errors when the Tornado was inserted too far.

Batteries are mollicels and the wand works great with my tempest and dani

 

[Tji89]

I'm planning to use the wand. Is there a certain depth which is better? I've seen some YouTube videos where people place a cork in the bottom of Wand, that's why I'm asking.

I got the Tempest wand insert, can that be used?

 

[TigoleBitties]

Batteries are mollicels and the wand works great with my tempest and dani

See my answer below, maybe this might solve the problem

I'm planning to use the wand. Is there a certain depth which is better? I've seen some YouTube videos where people place a cork in the bottom of Wand, that's why I'm asking.

I used to heat the Tornado by inserting it from underneath and letting the tip rest against the glass with the hole. Lately however, I've had better results (less chance for combustion) by sliding the tip from underneath and up through the glass hole (my Tornado fits.... seems not all Wands are wide enough) so the coil is focused on the vent holes at the bottom of the bowl, close to the stamped "Vestratto" letters. I'll upload a pic.

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I got the Tempest wand insert, can that be used?

Can't help there. Don't have a Tempest wand insert but I don't seem to need any insert for good results.

 

[Tji89]

Hopefully my wand and the tempest insert fits the Tornado from above so the heating can be done hands free

https://imgur.com/a/ixZTXzw

I've pushed the insert way down to demonstrate.