what the hell is CBN and CBD?
Im trying to learn but I thought all weed had in it was THC.
I get alot of strains of weed I see them at my dealers house.
do other strains have other chemicals ?
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what the hell is CBN and CBD?
Im trying to learn but I thought all weed had in it was THC.
I get alot of strains of weed I see them at my dealers house.
do other strains have other chemicals ?
darbarikanada
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over the years, as people bred strains of weed to maximize how high you get (higher % of THC), CBD, which makes you less high (it reduces the effects of THC), was bred out - people grew the strains that got you highest, i.e. those with the lowest CBD. in recent years, researchers realized that CBD has medicinal value for some people. so they bred high CBD strains, some with almost no THC (e.g. some variants of ACDC), others with average amounts of THC (e.g. harlequin). some people find a blend of CBD and THC works best for their medical problems, others only want the CBD. CBN (I'm told) mostly makes you sleepy. put another way: if you just want to get high, CBD isn't really going to interest you. if you have a medical issue you're trying to treat, CBD might be worth a look. the research on CBD isn't really conclusive (although some anecdotal accounts are dramatic, esp. involving a syndrome where children who'd been having dozens of seizures a day were able to get that down to low single digits using CBD), but if you live somewhere that has medical cannabis, you'll have no trouble finding high-CBD products (flower, capsules, edibles, etc.) and you can try them to see if they work. fortunately there doesn't seem to be any downside from using it, so the worst thing that could happen would be that you'd have wasted some money. hope that helps!
vorrange
Vapor.wise
All cannabinoids are important, as well as the remaining terpenes and bioflavonoids.
CBD is extremely important, and not just when you use cannabis medicinally.
Mankind, as always, is too arrogant to understand the implications of its actions and fail to see its consequences when they perform such actions. THC breeding is one of them.
Breeding Cannabis for THC created an inbalance that makes it more harmful to people to consume it since CBD counteracts the bad effects of too much THC. Which is why you have more people with adverse reactions to Cannabis, and why many THC-isolated pharmaceutical drugs are so awful to so many people and it is why many medicinal patients prefer the whole plant.
CBD is cannabidiol, CBN is cannabinol, and CBG is cannabigerol, all cannabis plants contain these as well as THC, and many other compounds, albeit in different amounts.
There are also the terpenes which act synergistically with the cannabinoids and maximize its medicinal potential as well as providing the smell and flavour of its cannabis plant.
Which is why different strains have different smells, and the THC/CBD ratio relates to the potency of the plant.
If you don't manage sativas very well because it makes you anxious or too agitated, its because you need to change to a strain higher in CBD, usually indicas work better, or just change to a more balanced strain in terms of THC/CBD.
CBD is extremely important, and not just when you use cannabis medicinally.
Mankind, as always, is too arrogant to understand the implications of its actions and fail to see its consequences when they perform such actions. THC breeding is one of them.
Breeding Cannabis for THC created an inbalance that makes it more harmful to people to consume it since CBD counteracts the bad effects of too much THC. Which is why you have more people with adverse reactions to Cannabis, and why many THC-isolated pharmaceutical drugs are so awful to so many people and it is why many medicinal patients prefer the whole plant.
CBD is cannabidiol, CBN is cannabinol, and CBG is cannabigerol, all cannabis plants contain these as well as THC, and many other compounds, albeit in different amounts.
There are also the terpenes which act synergistically with the cannabinoids and maximize its medicinal potential as well as providing the smell and flavour of its cannabis plant.
Which is why different strains have different smells, and the THC/CBD ratio relates to the potency of the plant.
If you don't manage sativas very well because it makes you anxious or too agitated, its because you need to change to a strain higher in CBD, usually indicas work better, or just change to a more balanced strain in terms of THC/CBD.
Interesting this must be the reason my dealer gets good smelling and looking weed but i would always complain that it would only get me high while smoking it.
I still dont get it
i know nothing, but i have seen this.
If i vape my weed at my mighty max temp 210 celcius/410 f this chart says I'm inhaling toxic
I started vaping at 200c/400 f im i.just inhaling toxic? No more thc?
Perhaps you should read the whole thread. I'm pretty sure you haven't because this is discussed in detail more than once.
vorrange
Vapor.wise
That chart reflects the temperature at which most of that compound is extracted but it usually starts at a lower temperature and continues until a slight higher temperature, it's a curve, higher in the middle, for each cannabinoid.
So, if you vaporize at 160ºC you extract all that is beneath and some that is above. And at closer to 220ºC you start to get nastier bits all the while getting some cannabinoids.
darbarikanada
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"Breeding Cannabis for THC created an imbalance that makes it more harmful to people to consume it since CBD counteracts the bad effects of too much THC."
I've heard dabbing referred to as 'the everclear of cannabis'; almost pure THC, in the same way that everclear's almost pure alcohol.
of course most people enjoy the flavors in wine and single malt scotch - that's why they consume them instead of everclear (and vaporizers allow us to taste cannabis).
it's known that CBD counteracts THC, i.e. makes the cannabis less potent; but is there evidence (not just anecdotal) that it changes the character of the high? put another way, are the adverse reactions you mention simply the result of how strong the cannabis is these days? or are the adverse reactions just from getting too high (easy to do with some of the strains out there these days, e.g. 30% THC sativas - yikes!)?
this might be getting a little off topic, but the ability to select specific temperatures clearly gives all of us amateur 'researchers' a tool to investigate whether, and to what degree, the character of a particular strain's effects can be modified. I'm new to temperature-controlled vaping, have read this entire thread, but haven't done enough 'research' (is that what they call it now?) to see if vaping at lower temperatures really results in a different high. to do the experiment correctly (I suspect), I'd have to vape more cannabis at the lower temperature, so I'd be equally high than if I vaped a lesser amount at higher temperatures.
anyone done this?
maybe that's my next rainy-day project...
I've heard dabbing referred to as 'the everclear of cannabis'; almost pure THC, in the same way that everclear's almost pure alcohol.
of course most people enjoy the flavors in wine and single malt scotch - that's why they consume them instead of everclear (and vaporizers allow us to taste cannabis).
it's known that CBD counteracts THC, i.e. makes the cannabis less potent; but is there evidence (not just anecdotal) that it changes the character of the high? put another way, are the adverse reactions you mention simply the result of how strong the cannabis is these days? or are the adverse reactions just from getting too high (easy to do with some of the strains out there these days, e.g. 30% THC sativas - yikes!)?
this might be getting a little off topic, but the ability to select specific temperatures clearly gives all of us amateur 'researchers' a tool to investigate whether, and to what degree, the character of a particular strain's effects can be modified. I'm new to temperature-controlled vaping, have read this entire thread, but haven't done enough 'research' (is that what they call it now?) to see if vaping at lower temperatures really results in a different high. to do the experiment correctly (I suspect), I'd have to vape more cannabis at the lower temperature, so I'd be equally high than if I vaped a lesser amount at higher temperatures.
anyone done this?
maybe that's my next rainy-day project...
vorrange
Vapor.wise
I don't get what dabbing relates to what i said.
As for the adverse reactions, it's a question of compiling data and arriving at the conclusion - pharma drugs that only use THC don't have the same effect on medical patients for their ilness as whole cannabis plant gives, and many of them report serious side effects and general ill-feeling.
It is also known that the cannabis plant is programmed to lower CBD when you have higher THC and vice-versa.
The incidence of psychotic episodes and bad side effects from using cannabis is higher as the potency of THC is higher.
All landraces have a somewhat similar balance of THC and CBD, you generally don't see landraces with more than 12% THC.
These and many other bits of information make it clear that part of the problems that have risen are due to a mismanagement and misunterstanding of the chemistry of the cannabis plant and how it influences humans.
As for what temperature should you vape, if you prefer pain-management, sedative properties go high in temperature. If you prefer focus, creativity, uplift the spirit, stay as low as 175C.
As for the adverse reactions, it's a question of compiling data and arriving at the conclusion - pharma drugs that only use THC don't have the same effect on medical patients for their ilness as whole cannabis plant gives, and many of them report serious side effects and general ill-feeling.
It is also known that the cannabis plant is programmed to lower CBD when you have higher THC and vice-versa.
The incidence of psychotic episodes and bad side effects from using cannabis is higher as the potency of THC is higher.
All landraces have a somewhat similar balance of THC and CBD, you generally don't see landraces with more than 12% THC.
These and many other bits of information make it clear that part of the problems that have risen are due to a mismanagement and misunterstanding of the chemistry of the cannabis plant and how it influences humans.
As for what temperature should you vape, if you prefer pain-management, sedative properties go high in temperature. If you prefer focus, creativity, uplift the spirit, stay as low as 175C.
So i was researching and it said 157 celcius was the best temp to extract weed. Im going to try waking and baking tomorrow at this low temp to see if i can even get high off such a low temp
darbarikanada
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since dab products are almost pure THC, they're at the extreme end of engineering cannabis with the goal of maximum THC. I'm wondering (not ever having dabbed, I have zero personal experience) how much of the adverse reactions people have to high-THC cannabis (of all kinds, not just dabbing) are simply due to them being too high - which could easily be avoided by using less.
I keep trying to come up with analogies: is consuming a high CBD strain (assuming your goal is to get high, not treat inflammation, for example) like driving with your foot on the brake? or, if you could somehow engineer it so you consumed 2 different strains, identical except for one being high CBD, and got equally high, what would the qualitative difference be? would you be more paranoid/anxious on the low CBD strain?
I get that if the sedative effects are stronger at higher temperatures, it would follow that vaping indicas at lower temperatures would cause less 'couch lock', even if you used more cannabis. it seems like the consensus is that this is the case. but 'adverse reactions' to cannabis usually means 'freaking out' (anxiety, paranoia), I'm wondering if those reactions aren't due to potent weed (which happens to have less CBD) or the absence of CBD itself.
Ricardo
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I've tried this but got nothing (except superb flavour and maybe, just maybe a tiny smidgeon of mellowness). I don't have an endless supply of weed so I haven't done a great deal more experimenting with temperatures. I know 195ºC works very nicely for me and I use the same load at 210 - 221ºC to squeeze the last drop out which generally works well enough and sometimes surprises me by how high it gets me. I really must experiment a bit more at lower temps....
vorrange
Vapor.wise
If your goal is to get high, the less CBD the better. Always.
The thing is, the CBD is there for a reason. And that reason is more apparent when you stretch to the limit of very high THC strains with less than 1% of CBD.
In oil there is THC as well as CBD, it is an extraction of all the chemicals in the plant. Not just THC. The thing is, it is concentrated. 1g of oil needs 8g of flowers so it's 8x more potent for the same weight.
The reason for the anxiety and general bad side effects are not just because of too much THC or too little CBD, but the ratio of these cannabinoids and how much you assimilate and how much you can assimilate is one of the key issues.
As for 157C being the best temp to extract weed, that's ridiculous. If not, just because it depends on what your goal is when medicating.
The thing is, the CBD is there for a reason. And that reason is more apparent when you stretch to the limit of very high THC strains with less than 1% of CBD.
In oil there is THC as well as CBD, it is an extraction of all the chemicals in the plant. Not just THC. The thing is, it is concentrated. 1g of oil needs 8g of flowers so it's 8x more potent for the same weight.
The reason for the anxiety and general bad side effects are not just because of too much THC or too little CBD, but the ratio of these cannabinoids and how much you assimilate and how much you can assimilate is one of the key issues.
As for 157C being the best temp to extract weed, that's ridiculous. If not, just because it depends on what your goal is when medicating.
Ricardo
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Agree that CBD in the mix is an important part of the whole marijuana experience - obviously, it's what nature intended, medicated and softens anxiety & paranoia . Superhigh THC content is unpleasant... Skunk, Durban (??? I remember nearly tripping way back in the day), I didn't know there were 100% THC extracts available... wouldn't like to try that 
darbarikanada
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I'm unfamiliar with the idea of there being limits to how much you can assimilate (I take we're not just talking about being clueless about why that thing we're holding onto is vibrating) - please elaborate.
as far as THC:CBD ratio, are you saying that if I vaped a large amount of a higher CBD strain like Harlequin, I'd be less likely to have an adverse reaction (e.g. anxiety) than if got just as high with a lower CBD strain?
you wrote 'CBD is there for a reason'. from what I understand, cannabinoids in general are probably protective, like aloe, so the reason for their existence would be to benefit the plant, help it survive better - evolution in action. I'm guessing you're saying the benefit extends to people, not just those with medical conditions like inflammation, but in the sense that the psychoactive effects are qualitatively improved by a higher CBD level, yes?
vorrange
Vapor.wise
When you get drunk, some people get drunk of 1L of beer, other need 1,5L. When you get high, it's the same. And for adverse reactions it is the same, although there isn't a lethal overdose in cannabis, there can be severe adverse reactions caused by overconsumption that varies according to each person.
Yes, that is what i'm saying because CBD is neuroprotective.
The CBD is not psychactive, so higher CBD levels don't equal stronger psychoactive effects but they help you get to the same place in term of effects, with a "better protection".
Yes, that is what i'm saying because CBD is neuroprotective.
The CBD is not psychactive, so higher CBD levels don't equal stronger psychoactive effects but they help you get to the same place in term of effects, with a "better protection".
I've done this for years with all sorts of strains. I can most definitely get pretty high without ever going past 160°C nominally, i.e. that's what device (Arizer Extreme, DaVinci Ascent) displays. With a device like the Zion, I mostly use a power setting that delivers vapour similar to the 160°C setting. The high is sativa-like and quite effective. The vapour is quite smooth and really tasty, but not thick. I'll hit it at this temperature until the vapour stops, then I'll step it up and keep going. This is my prefered method.
I wake and baked and use. The 160 c setting on my mighty
I smoked for a while then turned it up to 200c
I got more vapor out during the entite session and got more when i turn it up. Think i got as high as the previous morning
I think that's how i will do it not
I think the higher temps burn it out to fast.
Does anyone know if the things they say happen at each temps really happen?
I feel.like I'm just high. I don't think its doing the things the chart says its doing
Ricardo
Well-Known Member
I'd say it's working pretty good....
chris 71
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i keep reading about the dangers of high thc and how cannabis has been selectively bred out of the cbd by the fact that prohibition causes the producers to try and maximize product potency for quicker easier and larger profit . im starting to question all of this and heres why .
i have access to quality tested and produced cannabis .
i have tried high thc , very high .
probably could be argued some of the highest thc available on the planet . if over 30% can be considered in that category .
i also have access to high cbd strains of value up to 14% cbd and as low as under 2 % thc .
to my surprise ( probably because of all the hysteria about the dangers of high thc ) i have found that some of the very high thc strains did not cause any paranoia or anxiety , but more of a very relaxing calming effect .
and actually have even experienced some anxiety from the high cbd strains .
i am still experimenting though .
i cant say i havnt ever experienced any anxiety from thc cannabis because i have , or am i claiming that the anxiety is caused by the cbd , because i think i have also experienced the calming effect that is said to be caused by cbd .
as to the theory of the high thc plants being selected only for the high that comes with plants potent in thc . and some how cbd selected out because of no high .
i would counter that people would select the plants because of the qualities that we like weather it be a pleasing smell or color or taste and yes of coarse effects . why would we select plants that make us feel not good ? it doesn't really make sense . i have found that in general the high thc strains have a better flavor experience . perhaps this alone could be why high cbd strains were not picked as often.
also perhaps just more projecting of fear by alarmist who don't understand cannabis because they really have no experience with it and are so worried about the children , and what other people decide to put in there own bodies . that they find fear in it .
i wonder if the anxiety side effect which i dont deny can happen , has to do with set and setting and many other factors . like even knowing that " they " say high thc causes these terrible things like psychosis . making the user of the high thc strain thinks they may get all freak out by the potent cannabis , and then so they are ready to experience it before they even experience it .
as i said i was surprised when i found my self very calm and relaxed after smoking or vaping some bubba kush that was over 30 % thc how could this be lol .
another time after a extreme q bag of sweet skunk cbd around 6 % thc and 9% cbd i found my self feeling pretty anxious .
i realize all of this doesnt have much to do with vaping temps . but it does have to do with effects i was just compelled to write about this because of reading about the high thc dangers again in this thread .
maybe give the cannabis farmers that have had to practices there art of growing in a under ground fashion a little more credit then the people that are still scared of the crazy plant lol
also keep in mind this is just some of my own personnel thoughts and experiences . who knows maybe the next guy jumps out the window after some 30 % bubba
i have access to quality tested and produced cannabis .
i have tried high thc , very high .
probably could be argued some of the highest thc available on the planet . if over 30% can be considered in that category .
i also have access to high cbd strains of value up to 14% cbd and as low as under 2 % thc .
to my surprise ( probably because of all the hysteria about the dangers of high thc ) i have found that some of the very high thc strains did not cause any paranoia or anxiety , but more of a very relaxing calming effect .
and actually have even experienced some anxiety from the high cbd strains .
i am still experimenting though .
i cant say i havnt ever experienced any anxiety from thc cannabis because i have , or am i claiming that the anxiety is caused by the cbd , because i think i have also experienced the calming effect that is said to be caused by cbd .
as to the theory of the high thc plants being selected only for the high that comes with plants potent in thc . and some how cbd selected out because of no high .
i would counter that people would select the plants because of the qualities that we like weather it be a pleasing smell or color or taste and yes of coarse effects . why would we select plants that make us feel not good ? it doesn't really make sense . i have found that in general the high thc strains have a better flavor experience . perhaps this alone could be why high cbd strains were not picked as often.
also perhaps just more projecting of fear by alarmist who don't understand cannabis because they really have no experience with it and are so worried about the children , and what other people decide to put in there own bodies . that they find fear in it .
i wonder if the anxiety side effect which i dont deny can happen , has to do with set and setting and many other factors . like even knowing that " they " say high thc causes these terrible things like psychosis . making the user of the high thc strain thinks they may get all freak out by the potent cannabis , and then so they are ready to experience it before they even experience it .
as i said i was surprised when i found my self very calm and relaxed after smoking or vaping some bubba kush that was over 30 % thc how could this be lol .
another time after a extreme q bag of sweet skunk cbd around 6 % thc and 9% cbd i found my self feeling pretty anxious .
i realize all of this doesnt have much to do with vaping temps . but it does have to do with effects i was just compelled to write about this because of reading about the high thc dangers again in this thread .
maybe give the cannabis farmers that have had to practices there art of growing in a under ground fashion a little more credit then the people that are still scared of the crazy plant lol
also keep in mind this is just some of my own personnel thoughts and experiences . who knows maybe the next guy jumps out the window after some 30 % bubba
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@pakalolo's Temperature controlled vaporizing resource is a good summary of the main points in this thread. I strongly suggest reading it.
You are right about the variation of effects on different individuals. I'm also a strong believer in the role of your mental state. Cannabis will probably exaggerate your anxiety if you are so inclined regardless of strain, likewise it will calm you. Having said that, the evidence that high THC and high CBD have the effects described is well documented. Most people aren't likely to share your experience.