grokit
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Cbd is much better though. Why use a spoiled product?Depends what you're treating man, if you're treating insomnia, then CBN is quite desirable
Vaporization temperature dependent selection of effects
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herbivore21
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CBD is actually suggested to promote wakefulness (see for example: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4023456/). In light of this, I would not suggest CBD use for insomnia my friend.
dormouse
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I see so much contradicting info about this. Sorry if this has been discussed, but does anyone have any first hand experience with temperatures that clearly make you 1) less tired/sleepy and 2) less hungover than other temps? I've tried different temperatures, with varying results. There are also so many other factors to consider. (This question is not for the those who insist that you can't get hungover from cannabis.)
Use low temperatures (< 190° C/374° F) with sativas. I do this all the time.
The Stranger
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Just vaporize at about 320-335 f and you'll be alright. That's what I do 99 percent of the time because most of the time I'm getting high and then going out in public or going to be active outside and want that energy.
Than if I smoke really late and I'm tired I go about 165-170 f tops and I get knocked the heck out.
That's even more conservative than I am, although I do stay that low a lot of the time. People who aren't experienced with low temperatures are often dissatisfied because they don't get much visible vapour, if any. The effects are there though, and they're just what @dormouse is seeking.
uhranium
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"165-170 f tops" - do you mean °c here instead of f?
My obersevations are:
The first vapor is visible ab 148°C/299°F - What I still need to try is doing some lower sessions like 130/135/140/145°C where I only vape while being sober at these temperatures and look for any effects without doing a 170°C session afterwards because the high might be too weak.
Due to the vrapp schedule I read that CBD is getting extracted 160°C/320°F so I try to vape at a slightly smaller (159°C/317°F) temperature. The vapor output isn't as thick as on higher temperatures so it might feel like you need longer time to get the same intensity of cannabinoids but the high is clearer.
So I try to vape fresh weed at low temperatures throughout the day and only go higher if I
a) have my last session where I don't want to accomplish anything after that besides watching youtube and going to bed soon
b) want to get stoned quickly because I just want to "hit n run" instead of doing a 20minute session with 3 bowls on low temperature
What I realized, is a clear head high on low temperatures and that I get ultra heavy legs when I vape weed at ~190°C/374°F that I vaped at 159°C/317°F before.
My obersevations are:
The first vapor is visible ab 148°C/299°F - What I still need to try is doing some lower sessions like 130/135/140/145°C where I only vape while being sober at these temperatures and look for any effects without doing a 170°C session afterwards because the high might be too weak.
Due to the vrapp schedule I read that CBD is getting extracted 160°C/320°F so I try to vape at a slightly smaller (159°C/317°F) temperature. The vapor output isn't as thick as on higher temperatures so it might feel like you need longer time to get the same intensity of cannabinoids but the high is clearer.
So I try to vape fresh weed at low temperatures throughout the day and only go higher if I
a) have my last session where I don't want to accomplish anything after that besides watching youtube and going to bed soon
b) want to get stoned quickly because I just want to "hit n run" instead of doing a 20minute session with 3 bowls on low temperature
What I realized, is a clear head high on low temperatures and that I get ultra heavy legs when I vape weed at ~190°C/374°F that I vaped at 159°C/317°F before.
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I just took that for granted.
Don't assume that you aren't getting CBD because you don't reach 160°C. There's nothing magic about that temperature. You're getting CBD at lower temperatures, just not as much.
This is exactly what the charts tell you will happen. The ABV after the first session has a much higher ratio of CBD to THC.
uhranium
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I am just in shock realizing that the post workers in germany are on a strike since a whole month which might affect the sending out as well as the returning of my mighty. Should have kept it 8[. Mighty with airleak is still better than no mighty at all. Maybe I will get it back in a month??
Already contacted a bud to borrow his Arizer Tower, but he won't answer T_T
<- darn, this should have gone into the mighty thread.
anyway.
pako: If should have written "don't you mean f" here
yes, I realized what the facts told me, but realizing it first hand is still another thing
Already contacted a bud to borrow his Arizer Tower, but he won't answer T_T
<- darn, this should have gone into the mighty thread.
anyway.
pako: If should have written "don't you mean f" here
yes, I realized what the facts told me, but realizing it first hand is still another thing
grokit
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As @dormouse mentioned, the available information is unfortunately conflicted:
"Cannabis that has low levels of THC and high levels of CBD produces more of a buzz or stoned feeling. The mind feels dull and the body feels tired." (ibid)
I would say that if it works for you that's great, but also try a high cbd strain to compare for yourself.
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herbivore21
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Go to google scholar and search it brother, info isn't conflicting at all in the scientific literature (I don't put any stock in any other kind of website about this stuff), just need further research to clarify the mechanism of action which explains how we get the observed wakefulness effect in humans and animals in clinical tests
I have 80%+ CBD concentrates on hand (with <.02% THC and THCA) and indeed they do keep me awake, perhaps something comparable to a coffee without the risk of anxiety.
For insomnia, I have some bubble that has cured in a cool, dark, dry place long term and will have through this developed some CBN content to it, this is my night nurse
grokit
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The source was written by two MD's, and it looks pretty scientific to me:Go to google scholar and search it brother, info isn't conflicting at all in the scientific literature (I don't put any stock in any other kind of website about this stuff), just need further research to clarify the mechanism of action which explains how we get the observed wakefulness effect in humans and animals in clinical tests
I have 80%+ CBD concentrates on hand (with <.02% THC and THCA) and indeed they do keep me awake, perhaps something comparable to a coffee without the risk of anxiety.
For insomnia, I have some bubble that has cured in a cool, dark, dry place long term and will have through this developed some CBN content to it, this is my night nurse
Cannabis and Cannabinoids: Pharmacology, Toxicology, and Therapeutic Potential
It's billed as "state-of-the-art scientific research", not sure what more you want.
My experience was different than yours; we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
"A stronger high" is a relative description, so no one can answer for you. It does favour euphoria over sedation.
TomC1315
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This is a partial quote from page 4, and it has me wondering: if in fact, "THC doesn't start releasing efficiently until 392F" ... then anyone vaping at moderate temps (350F or so) to avoid the sedation attributed to CBN is missing out on some of the available THC.
Everywhere else I read seems to indicate that THC has a 320F "liberation" point.
I somewhat understand and appreciate that these charts with the various temps are not "binary" ...IOW, that before one reaches these points, some of the substances begin to be released - and at the boiling point, they've all been released.
This seems to contradict the notion that "THC doesn't start releasing efficiently until 392F". However, it doesn't appear that anyone called this into question anywhere in this thread ... did I miss something, or am I not understanding something here.
I want to get all of the available THC, as well as a nice "complimentary" amount of CBD that is available for a good high ... and I want to avoid the dizzy feeling I get when I vape at a higher (above 370F) temp. Ive been at this (vaping) for about a month, and each time I go up in temp for a "couch lock/sedative" experience, I end up feeling dizzy ... in fact, just the other evening, I hit the sack an hour after vaping at a high temp, only to feel the need to get up because the sensation (dizziness) was becoming quite uncomfortable.
Interestingly enough, in the 30 years of smoking weed, I never really had the 'dizzy" sensation ... only now with the high temp vaping.
It's amazing how unappealing the idea of smoking is ... I was concerned that there might be some sort to transition period or something when switching to vaporization ... quite the opposite actually ... it's more like 'yeah, I've finally arrived' :-)
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stickstones
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I've had this happen before. Try vaping less at the higher temps for a while. Like go really lite.
the question is, do you really know the temperature you are vaping at? (at which you are vaping?) that is, not the "setting" but the actual measured temperature?
TomC1315
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I wish :-)
That being said, I'm certainly operating on the realization that the temp inside my Airizer ExQ's cyclone bowl is not as hot as the displayed temp ... TheVapeCritc (fwiw) suggests that the temp diff is in the neighborhood of 20-30F ... With this guesstimate somewhat in mind, I've been vaping with the display around 374F lately with good results.
Of course, "good results" is quite subjective ... I'm enjoying the learning process so far.
I'm just very curious about the suggestion that there's even any THC still around to be vaped at 392F.
Next balloon ... I'll be brave and venture down 10F or so :-)
Chill Dude
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That's interesting that you feel dizzy when laying down.. While THC can cause a mild BP elevation the first few minutes, conversely, it typically causes lowere BP thereafter. Sometimes when medicated I feel dizzy when I stand up quickly. This I attribute to the blood pressure lowering effect of cannabis.
As far as temperatures are concerned, you'll get many different opinions on this forum. Personally, I find the high and medicated effect to be more pronounced at the higher temperatures. I find 400F to 420F to be perfect for me. However, there are many that hoover in the 375F range and they like that effect better.. It's ll trial and error...
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We conducted a vaporization study at CW Analytical Labs with a lab-tested batch of medicinal herb. We heated the identical samples in an identical device at various degrees F. First, we identified the temperature in the chamber using infrared thermometer, then we assessed the remaining herb and vapor cloud itself (captured in the balloon) to evaluate the remaining cannabinoids, the efficiency of the temperature, and the contents of the subsequent vapor using a Gas Chromatograph and a Mass Spectrometer.
We plan on conducting another study soon with Steep Hill Labs in Berkeley: any questions you'd like answered?
#stayvaped
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We plan on conducting another study soon with Steep Hill Labs in Berkeley: any questions you'd like answered?
#stayvaped
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Thanks. This analysis was a nice confirmation of something many of us have concluded from our experience. The best flavour is at low temperatures no matter whether you can see vapour or not.
The maximum THC concentration temperature is interesting because the popular opinion is that you need thick clouds, but vapour density increases noticeably past 380°F (193°C). If you could also analyze for CBD it would be useful. I suspect the maximum concentration happens well over 400°F (204°C), and could help explain why some people need clouds.
Agreed! Boiling Point is also an interesting facet to the vapor density and temperature conversation. Check out the chart by Steep Hill Labs. www.steephill.com
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stickstones
Vapor concierge
Good stuff...thanks for contributing the study and data!
TomC1315
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It appears to me then, that in an effort to avoid a lot of CBN, I've been leaving some THC "on the table", so to speak by vaping at lower temps (around 356F / 180C).
I'm not concerned with flavor so much ... rather, I'm focused on efficiently obtaining as much THC as I can.
Raise my temp then ?