VaporGenie

[MoeOnTheMoon]

moon...the butant thing has been covered in this thread. It burns up before you get a chnace to inhale it.

Yeah, no worries on the butane thing unless you're concerned about H20

Not sure what you mean: "...unless you're concerned about H20"...
Well, the thing is, I taste the gas or something when I'm inhaling for awhile to get the genie warmed up. In any case it dries out my throat a lot, even with a water filter, I can taste or feel the butane or something...

I found out that the butane lighters I was using had either too weak or too strong of a flame. And a beeswax "match" (wick) kept going out on me. So one key to using the genie is to use a proper flame. Probably Bic works best but they say not to use it because of toxic metals in the flint. I know, probably too health-conscious, but that's me.

When my 99c store butane match works well, it works well, but sometimes the flame is too small and won't adjust up to the right strength.

So I'm working all these problems out. I like the fact that I can use the bowl in a water pipe, BUT if I had it to do over again, I'd probably buy the Launch Box instead; the Genie is kind of a pain to get it just right. Funny, because at first it seemed to be very easy. Not sure what happened, but now I'm finding it difficult. I'll keep working on it, but may sell it to get a Launch Box. Would have bought the Launch Box yesterday but the guy at the store wanted $100 for it and I can get it for - what? - $82 on the net. Head shops sometimes have outrageous prices. They also wanted $80 for the Genie.

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

Older hair dryers had absestos - I don't think there is a problem now, but I'm not sure.

I gave a wooden Vapor Genie as a gift, and I found (somewhere) the following excellent post on how to hit a Genie: pay attention to tongue position.

> January 8, 2009 [redacted] wrote: The VaporGenie needs some getting used to, you can't just light and hit it, 'cause if you overheat the herb it burns, equalling nasty coughs. Once you get it down, though, you can get ripped on a fraction of the dope you'd normally only smoke to take the edge off things.
>
> Here's my personal technique:
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> 1. Use a small flame and ever so lightly drag on the Genie, just enough to get the flame drooping into the hole.
> 2. Place the tip of your tongue on your palate while doing this, as this allows you to *gauge the temperature with the bottom of your tongue*, rather than the back of your throat.
> 3. When you feel warm vapor trickling through wait a second or so, then cut the flame and hit that pipe hard as if you're letting rip on a bong. Hold that vopor in.
> 4. Exhale big fluffy clouds of vapor.

Works for me.

Hey macbill, thanks a lot for that. This technique worked for me, first try except I need to learn to cut it off a little earlier because I got TOO big of a hit (but no burnt popcorn!). I am filtering through water which makes it a bit harder to taste. If I wasn't, then it would really have really sent my lungs into a spasm!

One thing I want to report (this is my experience; yours may differ) is that the flame has to be a regular flame not one of those "torch" type flames. Those don't bend down into the bowl when you inhale, and if you point it down into the bowl you're probably going to burn your ceramic filter. So I have to use something like a barbecue lighter that has a flame like a Bic (but not a Bic - they say - because it releases toxicity from the flint) . The key is to get the flame to bend down into the bowl a little, but not all the way down to the bottom where the filter is.

 

[macbill]

This technique worked for me, ... I am filtering through water ....

... the flame has to be a regular flame not one of those "torch" type flames.

Can you feel any heat in the air path under your tongue? Doesn't say much for cooling capabilities. I don't filter thru water.. so I don't know what I'm talking about.

As to flame or torch. Actually, you can use a torch - its all finesse. You just gotta practice practice practice, and realize you're gonna blow it a bunch of times before you get it down. YMMV

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

Yeah, I figured maybe someone had learned to use a torch with it. I sure couldn't. I got very frustrated with the whole thing, yesterday, trying to use a torch and a water pipe to filter it. Then, FINALLY when I switched to my barbecue lighter flame, and used your posted technique, I got a real great hit. Did it again today, and got too big of a hit. But I am making progress. Maybe it's time for another experiment...
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[MoeOnTheMoon]

Oh, I found something better than a lighter or match: http://beelinehawaii.com/
I picked up some at the head shop and it really seems like a lot cleaner/better way to go. I'm not really endorsing you buy it from that site, as I have not dealt with them. I just know I like it as a product. I paid $3 for a matchbook size bunch, and it appears you can get it online for $1.25 if you buy 5. It does smoke a little when it goes out, but it does not have a foul smell and goes away very quickly.

Oh, and I just took a hit off the Genie and got it PERFECT this time! Now if I can just keep repeating that experiment with the right technique. The tongue at the palette somehow does seem to make a difference.

 

[flanman]

well, looks like my vg is gone. room got tossed while i was at work, lost my grinder, vg, and my abv..

 

[Qbit]

well, looks like my vg is gone. room got tossed while i was at work, lost my grinder, vg, and my abv..

Ouch, that's rough. At least you have the pleasure of knowing they're probably going to get nothing but lung damage from the ABV.

 

[nicelytoasted]

Drinking the water does nothing. Even if it contains cannabinoids, without a lipid of some sort to bind to, they aren't absorbed by the body. That's why eating raw weed won't do much. You need a suitable oil or fat to absorb the cannabinoids before you ingest them orally.

I do not believe this to be true.

To get it to the active form, the tetrahydrocannabinoic acids (THCa) must be heated to ~ 100C in order for it to drop its acid functional group (COOH) in the form of CO2 + H2O (light and strong bases can be used for this as well). The resulting tetrahydrocannabinoid (THC) is the active material that is formed. Eating raw weed wont get you high because it hasnt been activated.

Also, THC doesnt need to bind to a lipid in order to be absorbed by the body. THC (in its active form) directly interacts with the CB1 and CB2 receptors, and this initiates the absorption process. However, you can take advantage of its solubility in fats or oils to extract it from the weed, if you wish, with the fat/oil being used as a solvent. Other solvents include alcohols and alkane-type hydrocarbons like butane. Each has differing selectivity properties.

It seems to me that if THC needed a lipid to be absorbed, it wouldnt work at all in BHO or alcohol based tinctures like green dragon.

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

I agree vaked chemist. I'm no chemist, but I have cooked herb in a frying pan with no oil, and it worked just fine! However, heating it does need to be done, it would seem.

 

[aznfknpride]

I was waiting for ntd's reply

 

[Guest]

Omg.... The Vapor Genie is a amazing pipe. The rush you get everything is so amazing. You weed isn't black its just a crisp light brown.. so you know you be vaporizin. Good clean vapor hits. Recommend to anyone. Its a great, cheap, portable vaporizer.

Cons: Small bowl, Sorty Pricy not really.

Pros: Small, Portable, Quick, Doesn't spill herbs, Clean Hits, No smell, Crazy High!!!

 

[VapoFish]

Hmmm ... I think I'm going to get one. Love the idea of GLASS, but the hand-carved wood pipes look so nice.

 

[Lo]

All righty then!! I too was hoping you'd reply NicelyToasted!! Thank you! I sort of look to your posts for the Mr. Wizard - he has the answer kind of thing!! Thanks so much! Your logic seems sound and lines up with what I thought...

Back on topic! I've never tried a Genie and thought about ordering one but it seems so close to smoking and I was trying to convert myself... Now that I have moved past any urge to smoke - do I want to try a Genie?? I've got bases PD, LB and IO covered... Is the Genie a 'must try' Vape or should I save some $ for some of the glass things I keep reading about?? Hell - I'd have to start carrying a lighter again :/

 

[Guest]

Dude you should get one these things are insane. The glass would be cool but not worth. Hand carved, or the regular one for me. YEAH! This thing is crazy!

 

[Soaper]

I have both the glass and regular VGs. Both work great and were well worth their respective price tags.

I like them both about the same, but with the bigger bowl on the glass one, I tend to use that one only with guests.

 

[Guest]

That's true man the bowl on the woody is a little tiny. But..... For what it is its a killer pipe. I love mine a ton. Conserve weed, Help your lungs, and fly way higher!!!

 

[macbill]

Can you tell me what you like better about the glass one? When you say it gives bigger hits, how and why is that? I would assume you could still also put a very small amount in.

Of course, it works with smaller loads. I'm no physicist, but I suspect there is some thing reflective, or 'even-heating' with the herb surrounded by glass. I'm a cook by hobby, and glass works well in the oven but its a little hotter to bake with. I say "big hits", because I load large loads. And I can't do large loads with the Volcano, the Hot Box, etc, but for some reason, I can rip a huge hit out of the glass Genie. Go figure.

I noticed you mentioning you have asthma: the bigger hits probably are immaterial to you. I wouldn't invest the money if you already have a wooden one. Why bother? Friends can get good hits from the wood VG, and the wooden one is far more stealthy. My glass one never comes on air plane trips me, while I do bring my wooden VG.

As to conservation, like others have mentioned, I'm not sure I'm using less herb. I vape so that I might not cough. It's a worthy goal, conservation, I'm just glad I don't have to very conscience of it. I don't mean to sound boastful. Does that make sense?

 

[MoeOnTheMoon]

Can you tell me what you like better about the glass one? When you say it gives bigger hits, how and why is that? I would assume you could still also put a very small amount in.

Of course, it works with smaller loads. I'm no physicist, but I suspect there is some thing reflective, or 'even-heating' with the herb surrounded by glass. I'm a cook by hobby, and glass works well in the oven but its a little hotter to bake with. I say "big hits", because I load large loads. And I can't do large loads with the Volcano, the Hot Box, etc, but for some reason, I can rip a huge hit out of the glass Genie. Go figure.

I noticed you mentioning you have asthma: the bigger hits probably are immaterial to you. I wouldn't invest the money if you already have a wooden one. Why bother? Friends can get good hits from the wood VG, and the wooden one is far more stealthy. My glass one never comes on air plane trips me, while I do bring my wooden VG.

As to conservation, like others have mentioned, I'm not sure I'm using less herb. I vape so that I might not cough. It's a worthy goal, conservation, I'm just glad I don't have to very conscience of it. I don't mean to sound boastful. Does that make sense?

Yes, that makes sense macbill. And everyone has their own level of use and ideas about conserving. For me it isn't conserving so much as it is getting the right "dose". A big hit or too many hits makes me nervous or anxious or something, so for me it's about using very small efficient doses. I actually thought the glass one might burn small amounts more efficiently, with less likelihood of combusting by mistake because you can see the vapor, I assume. But if it's got a bigger bowl, then no, it probably would not be for me. Something like the Myrtlezap is more what I have in mind. Thanks for letting me know about the glass VG's large bowl.

Is it okay to say here, that I am planning to sell my vapor genie just because I'd rather not use fire. No particular reason, just that like someone else said, I'm trying to get away from the idea of "smoking", and sometimes I make a mistake and burn a little herb with the genie and have a coughing fit. So the VG is just not for me, having asthma and all. If anyone's interested check the For Sale page soon or pm me. If that's not okay to say, here, I apologize and mod, feel free to delete this paragraph. On many other forums you are allowed to just quickly state "I have "Item" for sale at "this" location... so I thought I'd take a chance.

 

[Guest]

Yeah I think it definitely does conserve your herbs. I mean you ain't even putting a 10 sac in that vapor genie bowl, but you sure get some great vapor hits off that tiny bowl. Probably get around 3-4 bowls with a 10 sac.

 

[Bananiq]

yea the glass VG's bowl is really big but is that really a pros?
... I load only the 1/5 or 1/4 of the bowl anyway, just on the botton... because when I load more than 1/2 the amount of herb is too "tall" and the warm air flows 'usually' from top to the bottom so unfortunately it mostly vaporizes the top of the load which results in dark brown top and still fresh green botton of the load .. I dont think the big bowl is so big advantage here.

 

[macbill]

yea the glass VG's bowl is really big but is that really a pros?
... I load only the 1/5 or 1/4 of the bowl anyway, just on the botton... because when I load more than 1/2 the amount of herb is too "tall" and the warm air flows 'usually' from top to the bottom so unfortunately it mostly vaporizes the top of the load which results in dark brown top and still fresh green botton of the load .. I dont think the big bowl is so big advantage here.

I load 'em big. I don't hit all of it at one time. I may take a toke or two and set it down while I buzz off in some direction. I'll come back and take some more. I stir the bowl, frenquently, usually with a large paper clip that I have bent down a segment. I stir usually after I take a decent toke, and then I look in and I am still amazed there is no burnt stuff in the bowl. Just 'cause you load it big the dope police are not going to make you do it all at once. Even with the wooden one (by my bedstead) I stir.

 

[Guest]

Yeah i found the wooden version works better with the mouthpiece off also. Better control of the temperature, and i think better, cleaner tasting hits. Defiantly worth trying it.

 

[Guest]

Here is my Vapor Genie. I like it with the mouth piece off. That is the remains of my vaped mj after around 5-7 hits. I learned to use it after about my 4th bowl. I recommend the pipe. Nice, Portable, Cutty, and good vapor streams. Easy to use.

 

[Hammock Guru]

The Genie is my constant companion.

 

[aero18]

I agree vaked chemist. I'm no chemist, but I have cooked herb in a frying pan with no oil, and it worked just fine! However, heating it does need to be done, it would seem.

I don't think heating it needs to be done since you can watch dogs who have eating some raw cannabis just look completely dazed and lack any good coordination. Also, I have heard of some anecdotal accounts where people got a little buzzed after eating quite a bit.

Who knows whether it was just a placebo affect on people, but it does have a pronounced effect on dogs so I think there is some decarboxylized THC in the bud.