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OF
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Bummer. Maybe they don't like you? Strange as it might seem, not everyone does......
A couple of guys have mentioned long waits, but I think you take the cake. As you say, it's a good unit once you get it. I, of course, have ordered them half a dozen times or more over the years, not such problems??? So OK, here's the other place I've bought a couple from. I'm still on my first fill of gas on the first one, but thus far they seem identical:
http://www.tinydeal.com/refillable-jet-1300-butane-lighter-with-tank-p-2570.html
A bit cheaper at present? Maybe the best plan is to order a couple from each source and let 'em race?
OF
paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
I feel some deja vu..
i too had an issue with them at that time period. They gave me so many delays I think they were actually out of stock since my order never even got shipped after all my waiting.
i too had an issue with them at that time period. They gave me so many delays I think they were actually out of stock since my order never even got shipped after all my waiting.
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KidFated.
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Yeah but takes longer IME.
Lotus daisy or lily or VG are all about the same size hits with practice
I just used my VG with a bic. Worked like a charm! 
I really need to get myself a decent torch just to see what I'm missing. I keep thinking about it, and then I use my VG with a bic and it works so well I forget that I wanted to get a torch for it...
I really need to get myself a decent torch just to see what I'm missing. I keep thinking about it, and then I use my VG with a bic and it works so well I forget that I wanted to get a torch for it...
OF
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I really need to get myself a decent torch just to see what I'm missing. I keep thinking about it, and then I use my VG with a bic and it works so well I forget that I wanted to get a torch for it...
By all means do, it's a cheap enough experiment. And it avoids the toxic 'flint dust'. Yes, I said 'toxic', you know that part, right? Any of that dust that falls into the heat exchanger is more likely to end up in you than anywhere else?
If you like 'candle flame' lighters, I suggest a spark ignition one over 'flint' (which it's not.....) types.
OF
OF
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While I agree with you on Butane (it's not a realistic health threat as a gas, nor are the combustion products (water and CO2)), I think you might want to rethink the 'flint dust' issue:
https://vaporgenie.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201351683-Flint-Lighters-Produce-Toxic-Dust
The stuff really is a cocktail of 'heavy metals' best avoided:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocerium
Normally such dust falls harmlessly to the floor, or at least doesn't contribute to the junk coming from the cigarette it lights, but with VG there is a chance it'll fall into the heat exchanger where it'll lodge and get heated over and over until it makes it to the vapor path?
If you're big on heavy metal poisoning, I suggest eating lots of Tuna........or chewing the lead paint off old woodwork. Or maybe buying one of those counterfeit VGs with lead based paint?
OF
paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
Honestly I love using the soft flame lighter it's more interactive and a bigger pleasure to watch. But after ruining (totally usable, but it was discolored and flavor went off a little) my first filter I swore never again. At least with bics, which is unfortunate since bics are normally consistent. I started going with only click piezo ignition lighters.
At least use those to help reduce the flint dust and lower the initial soot deposits you get.
At least use those to help reduce the flint dust and lower the initial soot deposits you get.
paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
I hope you have a water pipe or j-hook for that coil it sucks native, water pipe makes it much more difficult for a soft flame as well.
I actually prefer a torch specifically with the coil since its hard to get the herb very roasted in it without. Unless I have a J-Hook.
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Doesn't necessarily suck just really inconvenient to use.
I actually prefer a torch specifically with the coil since its hard to get the herb very roasted in it without. Unless I have a J-Hook.
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Doesn't necessarily suck just really inconvenient to use.
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OF
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I agree. Unfortunate choices I think. As I've said many times before, the coil is my last choice in VGs, much harder to use even in experienced hands? Trying to deal with it being fast to heat the body and therefore harder to control the heat is a handful all by itself without the added problems of learning VGs and candle flame lighters making aiming the fire at the sweet spot all the harder. Having some accessory to get the VG away from your nose (out where you can see what you're doing) and a torch to help direct the heat are big pluses, worth considering.
Possible, of course, but definitely not easy to get reliable results.
OF
I have a water pipe I can connect to and will buy a torch lighter to play with as well. I assume if vaping with a soft flame lighter takes my fancy my best bet is to pick up a VG in the pipe config? I feel like I'll end up doing this, just wanted to try the relatively cheap coil first and it looks like a bullet proof back up for when all else fails.... Plus a soft flame lighter is easy to source in a pinch when worst comes to worst.
Will be a few weeks before I receive anything so I'll be waiting.
Can anyone compare these to the nimbin lighter vape? Nimbin is the Mecca of Australian cannabis culture, if the vape works well could be worth owning just because.
Will be a few weeks before I receive anything so I'll be waiting.
Can anyone compare these to the nimbin lighter vape? Nimbin is the Mecca of Australian cannabis culture, if the vape works well could be worth owning just because.
paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
Will be releasing new Nimbin info soon. Been having some camera issues but you won't be using a soft flame on the nimbin it takes too long to heat up.
OF
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Same issue with the Coil I think, too hard to keep the heat on the right place (total heat is the same for either flame or torch, only more concentrated for the latter). Only in the Coil, that 'wasted heat' is playing on the SS body, woe be unto the chap trying to hold it too long.......
OF
Coil payment didn't work for some reason (new broadband cable service being buried playing havok with the net) might be a sign. Might order an Original VG first and a torch to play around.
Then later on a coil or nimbin for the form factor and bong-a-bility! I read somewhere the nimbin can comfortably hold .3? Significantly more than the VG I'd imagine?
I'm thinking about getting a Coil for a travel vape, as it can be completely disassembled and cleaned thoroughly, and nobody would have any idea what it is when disassembled. I'm sure it probably won't see much use other than when travelling, but for $35, why not? That way I can avoid combusting on my upcoming out-of-state trip.
Also, I picked up a torch for my VG Classic yesterday, and I must say, wow! it really does work great! Big hits are much easier with the torch than with candle flame lighters. For the first time ever really, I'm having problems with accidentally charring the herb. So I still have some perfecting of the technique to do, but I can see why many people prefer torches. I'm very much enjoying using mine!
Also, I picked up a torch for my VG Classic yesterday, and I must say, wow! it really does work great! Big hits are much easier with the torch than with candle flame lighters. For the first time ever really, I'm having problems with accidentally charring the herb. So I still have some perfecting of the technique to do, but I can see why many people prefer torches. I'm very much enjoying using mine!
paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
It is a whole lot more but will require even more stirring since its convection and doesn't spread evenly throughout the entire bowl. But the nimbin is hard to connect to a waterpipe without an underdog glass on glass stem.
I bought a coil for exactly the same reason @derrrp its very robust, small, works well and is cheap. I agree with @OF a torch lighter is preferable with the coil although in a tight spot a bic does work, albeit not quite as effortlessly.
I can't believe the VG family evaded me for so long. I can already feel the call of a hand carved.... Should probably wait until I have somewhere to live first, priorities Dave, priorities.
I can't believe the VG family evaded me for so long. I can already feel the call of a hand carved.... Should probably wait until I have somewhere to live first, priorities Dave, priorities.
Hearing you there! I always assumed lighter powered vapes would be second rate, seems they are more my style. Hammer has replaced not only most of my bong combustion but also a lot of my arizer solo use. I'm keen to see if the VG can replace my pipe combustion! Also excited to see paytonpenns nimbin vape video, and I'll order up a torch if I can manage to live with a jet torch a thrill house vape could be nice too
Might buy a coil for friends to borrow if they want. The most common means of consumption here in aus is to grind 2g of bud and 1 ciggy into dust with a coffee grinder then smoke it in a bong. A lot of my friends would rather not use tobacco but do not like combusting green on its own (it's a culture that is hard to understand I know! Pretty yuk). Everyone I know who does this has no issue consuming green herb through my arizer and love it, but still prefer the massive harsh hits from the normal way they smoke. Seems these light powered vapes, even more so the soft flames that attach to water easily would fill a void if people got their hands on them.
Edit. Ordered a bunch of these https://m.fasttech.com/products/2150/10008415/1756116-wb-136-adjustable-flame-butane-torch-lighter So I'm committed to getting at least one flame powered vape.
EDIT TO ADD! As an Australian rarely do I get to help local business while saving in the pocket. Not only did Australian Vaporizers have a great deal on solo stems I just picked up an OG VG in black for $70 Australian delivered before the weekend! The same vape from vaporgenie website is $82 posted with what I assume is weeks in transit. Top job Australian vaporizers! 2pm here just ordered, rang to find out if I can get it ship this arvo, which they are doing no problems!
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Got thing rocked up today! Wow!
Three bowls in, no burning and it's so amazing to used. Like puffing away on a pipe magic!
Seems you guys were right about the soft flame and I see why. I have been holding the lighter with the town front slits (bic) resting on the metal ring angling slightly up. Then have to full the flame down below horizontal with your draw. This involves doing a bigger draw than I usually prefer, I can see how the smaller flame and more accurate aiming of a torch would be handy.
But I litterally ripped the thing out of the box pack it up and charged ahead with a bic lighter. Within 5 minutes of the thing being at my door step I not only managed a cloud on my first bowl but my first hit! Smoking my arizer won't really do unless conditions are perfect.
Very fun! Keen to put a few more hours behind it! Will get a torch (2 week delivery on mine)
Once again FC tips for the win! Went and got a cheap refillable torch (electric lighter with a blue flame). Being able to aim the flame downwards saves a lot of priming and gives what I feel are noticeably bigger clouds! I loveeeee that you can use a bic but I'll certainly try and keep some blue flames around!
Three bowls in, no burning and it's so amazing to used. Like puffing away on a pipe magic!
Seems you guys were right about the soft flame and I see why. I have been holding the lighter with the town front slits (bic) resting on the metal ring angling slightly up. Then have to full the flame down below horizontal with your draw. This involves doing a bigger draw than I usually prefer, I can see how the smaller flame and more accurate aiming of a torch would be handy.
But I litterally ripped the thing out of the box pack it up and charged ahead with a bic lighter. Within 5 minutes of the thing being at my door step I not only managed a cloud on my first bowl but my first hit! Smoking my arizer won't really do unless conditions are perfect.
Very fun! Keen to put a few more hours behind it! Will get a torch (2 week delivery on mine)
Once again FC tips for the win! Went and got a cheap refillable torch (electric lighter with a blue flame). Being able to aim the flame downwards saves a lot of priming and gives what I feel are noticeably bigger clouds! I loveeeee that you can use a bic but I'll certainly try and keep some blue flames around!
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Killa $moke Ninja
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I gotta take back what I said about the bic working better. When I used a torch with it the first time i guess the torch it wasn't working right, because I just recently tried again with another torch and it worked great! I had stopped using the bic because the flame filter got alot of soot on it to the point where it was barely even hitting. Looks like I'll be using a torch from now on. I should have listened to the vapor genie O Geez but I had to be stubborn and see for myself. Moral of the story if you got a vg, please don't use a bic. Get yourself a decent torch. Your vapor genie will thank you for it
OF
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Great, glad you got on board.
FWIW, that's a heat exchanger not "flame filter" (what is there in a flame to filter out....it's gases). The soot is because the exchanger mass 'robbed' the heat from the first reaction (Hydrogen to water) necessary for the second (Carbon to CO2) leaving the Carbon to build up. Torches automatically avoid that. If not too severe it should clear with time using the torch. If it doesn't there's a procedure on the VG site using a shop vacuum to pull air through it while you torch the core without mercy.
If you want to use a candle flame lighter (or Hempwick) you need to be sure the yellow part (where the second reaction is happening) is outside and doesn't touch the exchanger. As soon as it touches, the second reaction stops and soot buildup starts.
OF