VaporGenie

[stickstones]

DD, did you read this whole thread and vtac's suggestions from his friend? That's what got me started in the right direction. I've been using the Genie more than the E right now due to its efficiency. Two bowls gets me 8 hits and I am whacked (cheap weed). The hits go like this:

1 -- warming up...nothing to see here folks
2 -- pretty good
3 -- very good
4 -- burnt
5 -- 1st hit off second bowl and is very nice
6 -- very nice
7 -- very nice
8 -- burnt

By this time the unit is HOT! The top is hot and hard to handle, but the pipe is fine. If I put on a third bowl, it is all over. I've been doing a total of 3 to 4 bowls that lasts me about 4 hours.

After the warmup, it works great until the herb gets toasty. At one point I was warming up the Genie with an old packed bowl from the last time I used it. Then when I put fresh stuff in there it was good from the first toke.

 

[DigitalDavinci]

vaporcloud...I think I relate to your troubles with th VG the most. Like I said I'm on a tolorance break, but I will give stickstones method a try for a week of VG only use. I saw a new thread today that mentions the Phyto Lab Portable Handheld Vaporizer. That looks promising for portable butane vape. I'll hold off this time, but if the VG doesn't work then I'll auction it off. Then I'll just put the cash towards a Phyto if my research show promise. I'll be happy with my PD only for a while. Not exactly slumming it.

I'll even park my PD for a week to be sure I give this thing a fair shake. I haven't had a lot of luck with the VG, but maybe because I have my trusty PD to get me vaked on 2 - 3 bowls. Plus the 3 PD bowls equals MAYBE 1 1/4 bowls of the VG. Talk about efficiency! Wrong thread...sorry

stickstones...Thanks for the routine. I have read the tips, and that is why I'm so discouraged. I feel I'm following them properly, but obviously I'm not. I may just need to drop by and have you school me. I'll be driving through your area christmas time. No worries man...just kidding. No session crasher here.

Thanks for the help guys,

DD

 

[stickstones]

DD, you could roll through here at xmas time...just bring that PD in case I don't have one by then! We'll draw a bag from the E, learn how to use the Genie, then hit the PD with your car adapter as you roll out!

Just to make sure we are on the same page, this is the link to the tips I am referring to:

http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=126#p126

I never open up my bowl until I am done with it. The top cylinder gets too hot to blow into after a bowl or two, so I just suck through the mouthpiece to make sure nothing is stuck to the element.

Also, the flame should only just barely get below the rim of the top cylinder. If it goes way into it you will get burnt. I think of it as I am just sucking hot air over the flame and through the element. If you can keep the flame just above the bowl and just barely into it, you should be fine. By the second bowl the cylinder is so warmed up that the flame can be kept above the bowl with great results. Also, remember that this thing does not produce the type of flavorful vapor you are used to with your PD. If I want to enjoy flavor and relax, I use the E. If I want portability with efficiency and effectiveness, I use the Genie.

 

[Clear_Dome]

^^^ word ^^^ I do the same

 

[stickstones]

DD, I took my Genie to Tampa with me this weekend and let me friend try it. I warmed it up for her and controlled the lighter while she hit it and she got nothing after about four tries, even while I was taking turns and getting massive hits. In the end she thinks it was because she doesn't have the lung capacity. I could draw on that thing forever and she could only last a few seconds. I wonder if you are having this problem?

On another note, I have graduated up to senior user with this thing. I was driving on I95 late at night in the rain at about 80 mph. I pulled out my already-packed genie and hit it while pinching the stem with my teeth. Then I reloaded it with one hand and hit it again...all while a canine unit passed by in the left lane! I did get a little bit of combustion, what with the driving and checking out the cop next to me and all!

I will say, I'm not doing that again with the same strain. That shit got me slowing down to about 60 mph and freaking out while the big semi's passed me!

 

[DigitalDavinci]

Stickstones...I have been useing the VG for a few days now, and I've been applying your methods/vtacs metods. I have more success than failure now, and I have a new found respect for the VG. I still will always go back to my PD, but I have found a good use for the VG. The PD duff is almost still green, and I can use it in the VG perfectly. Since I need higher tempratures to get the rest of the goodness out of the herb, then the VG is perfect. I get 2 more hits out of my PD herb. For the record that is 6 good hits off of a tiny PD bowl! Awesome conservation. My main problem when I was hitting the VG before was putting the flame too far in the filter chamber. That is why I went straight to combution so much with the VG. My woes were my fault as I expected.

I'm still on a tolerance break, but when I fisnish vapeing duff on Friday I'll give the VG a shot with my new practice. Should hit me pretty hard from vapeing only duff from almost two weeks. Minus a full day off, and a few panic attacks...I haven't had any fresh bud. The taste has been hell, but I have finally found a system that works thanks to SpiralArchitect and vaporcloud to reduce my tolorance, but be able to take my meds as well. Your methods helped me out , and I think I wouldn't be sticking with it if it wasn't for your tutalige. Thanks stickstones.

Oh...Thanks to vaporizing, finding FC, and talking to you guys...my lung related problems have reduced dramatically! I use to have to be right next to a candle flame to blow it out, and even then I had to try a couple of times. Now I can be a good 1 1/2 - 2 feet away, and I can muster enough airflow to blow out the candle. AWESOME!!! I still have some tightness in certian sircumstances, but all and all I see a huge differance. Mainly when I work out. I've been able to last an average 20% longer on the bike, and still have enough energy to hit the weights for a set or two. The government should pull their heads out of their asses, and research vaporizing. Great way to help overcome lung issues IMO.

I'm on the VG wagon for now, but I will give it a real test all week this week to be sure.

Cheers for the help!

DD

 

[stickstones]

nice! I'm saving for the PD, so when I get it, it sounds like it will be the perfect companion to the VG.

 

[max]

my lung related problems have reduced dramatically!

Same here. Vapor put me back in the 'high life'. Couldn't take that damn smoke anymore.

We need a 'coughing' icon vtac (not that I've seen one anywhere). :/

 

[DigitalDavinci]

I tought I'd bring our discussion over to the VG from the PD thread to here if that is o.k. stickstones

I'm not giving up, but I have to say I will give your methods a try only for the next week. I do think it is my fault that I'm not enjoying the VG as much as everyone else, but tonight is another good example of my frustartions.

I tried the flame not in the upper bowl, but just above it and drawing the flame down into the filter chamber ever so slightly (not even close to touching the filter). I MAYBE would get a "poof" of vapor, and this is off of fresh stuff (not duff). I'm sitting here right now, and trying to hit this thing. The upper bowl is almost so hot I can't hardly touch it, but still only minimal vapor at best. Earlier I tried the flame not even in the bowl...nothing, then lowering the flame until BAMM nasty tasting burnt popcorn duff taste. When keeping the flame far enough to not enduce combustion, the herb would just dry out and not become useable if it didn't combust. I'm sure that I was getting vapor (never really saw much), but I never get the big hits you all talk about. Eirther dried up my herb with little rewarding vapor, or it is nasty tasting combustion.

Once again I'll use it exclusively for the rest of this week. I don't give up that easy. Thank you for actually trying to figure out my dilema. It is very kind of you to even take the time to think about it. Maybe it is just beyond my intelligance to comprehend the mechanics of a simple pipe. You are definetly the reason why the VG isn't up for auction on EBay right now. I respect your opinion, and therefor I'll keep plugging away at it. I have to be honest though...I didn't expect to work so hard to relax. :/

Always confused but not really dazed,

DD

 

[SpiralArchitect]

Hey, have you tried some tubing at the end? It might help you manage your draw better and since the vapor is visible, you can tell when to keep going/stop. I haven't given it a shot yet, but I've contemplated it.

Secondly,

Maybe it is just beyond my intelligance to comprehend the mechanics of a simple pipe.

This could be a big problem but I don't think it's beyond someone of your intelligence.


That said,
I think it's all about technique. I have a light week with work and school, I was actually planning on uploading some videos to CannabisTV on the VaporGenie and the Purple-Days. I'll try and remember you when making the VG one, DD. I actually have a few pointers for operating the thing 1-handed, and I do it all the time with wonderful hits. I feel like Sherlock Holmes.

 

[stickstones]

DD...were you getting high even though you didn't see vapor?

 

[DigitalDavinci]

Well today I had a lot more luck. Still getting mostly minimal hits. I havent tried the tubeing though SA, and it sounds like a great idea. I think I saw vaporclouds set up in this thread somewhere. I was going to stop by home depot on the way home from work, and get some 1/2 inch tubeing for the PD (trying to build an ice chamber)...I'll get some for the VG then. I did have a whole session with out combustion this morning, and 1 hit even gave me the nose coughs. (My term for when your trying to hold a hit but the air wants to come out your nose. Like after a huge bong rip. ) I think I'll get the hang of it soon.

stickstones...I was getting a slight buzz last night, but I think it was more from sucking in air for so long, and so many times in a row. Like doing a lot of deep breaths in a row, you get dizzy eventually. The high didn't last, so I figured it was just a head rush. After this mornings session though I had a low to medium buzz off of 2 bowls. I'm getting there. I am vapeing real stuff today, for I want to learn this thing. I'm done getting down on myself, and I just want to vape a VG bowl with success most of the time. I'm sure combustion will happen sometimes. I think I'll skip your road test though. lol

When I get home tonight I'll have a better chance to sit and practice. I'm thinking tonight is the night I wrap my head around this thing.

Thanks spiralarchitect and stickstones...you guys rock! You should be a spokes person for VG's costumer service. You can now boast..."We can teach anyone to vape this pipe!" I will always take suggestions from you guys, and I'll be keeping an eye out for your videos SA! You guys are almost as kind as the bud I got this morning.

DD

 

[stickstones]

Good luck tonight, DD! It does take some practice, and I still get combustion with about half the bowls, but that's because I like to take it as far as it will go...the combustion is at the end, usually the fourth hit. If I stopped at three hits I probably would never combust, except on the road!

On a side note, this thing absolutely rocks with the vape oil. It seems to never run out! I took one bowl of herb soaked in the oil and I must have gotten about five big ass hits and it is still going. In fact, the last time I did this I eventually just removed the herb from the bowl after a lot of hits...but it was still going!

 

[stickstones]

DD -- we're gonna get you to the point with this pipe where you have to change your sig logo!

 

[vtac]

Oh...Thanks to vaporizing, finding FC, and talking to you guys...my lung related problems have reduced dramatically! I use to have to be right next to a candle flame to blow it out, and even then I had to try a couple of times. Now I can be a good 1 1/2 - 2 feet away, and I can muster enough airflow to blow out the candle. AWESOME!!! I still have some tightness in certian sircumstances, but all and all I see a huge differance. Mainly when I work out. I've been able to last an average 20% longer on the bike, and still have enough energy to hit the weights for a set or two. The government should pull their heads out of their asses, and research vaporizing. Great way to help overcome lung issues IMO.

Hmm how long are your inhales with the VG? With the flame at the correct distance I think around 10 seconds was about the required draw time. Also, it's possible that your flame filter is clogged with soot from touching it with the flame. I found the easiest way to clean it out was to put the round top piece on a vacuum and hit the filter with a blow torch.

 

[DigitalDavinci]

vtac...actually I just got back from my "lunch break" and I brought a buddy from work that has tried the PD twice, and thats all the experiance with vape he has. I actually got 1 big hit today off of 1 bowl (starting to understand the theory), but my buddy got 2 huge hit on the first try with no combustion. He loves the thing, and so I think I'm going to sell it to him. He's never vaped until recently with me, and I think you'll have a new member here at FC if I sell him the VG. It is a great way to get him into vapeing I think. Since I'm not that thrilled with the VG personally, and my friend was converted to vapor by the VG...seems to be logical to pass it on to someone that will truely appricieate it. We'll see. I told him I wanted to give this thing the rest of this week, but at least I have a buyer.

Still want to try the tubeing, and your methods. I have slowly inhaled for 20 seconds before with little vapor. I've also lowered the flame too much into the upper bowl and got combustion in about 5 seconds. I'm just not consistant enough I fear. I'm going to give it a good cleaning as well as the tubeing tonight. Do you have an idea of what size I should pick up on the way home. I'm at work with no tape measure. Probally not a good idea to bring the pipe into Home Depot. lol We'll see if that helps with the cleaning.

DD

 

[stickstones]

Definitely clean it. The best cleaning I got with mine was to run a whole coffee pot of brewed water through the top bowl.

 

[DigitalDavinci]

Ok. I think I'll go with the torch first, so I don't have to wait for drying. I like the idea of water for a cleaning though. Ah maybe I'll do both. Burn it off, and wash off the rest. I was wondering if I maybe clogged it by my combustion. I bet you that will help a little with the air flow issues. How long does the drying take?

Cheers!

DD

 

[vtac]

The suction from the vacuum along with a thorough torching on both sides should be enough. But both couldn't hurt.

As a side note, if you look at a light through the flame filter you should be able to see some light getting through if it's clean. You can kind of see the soot build-up as a discoloration under the right lighting.

 

[stickstones]

Don't sweat it drying. I just went ahead and used it and the heat dried it out real quick.

I just thought, are you sucking too hard? You want a nice slow draw, probably about what you do with your PD.

 

[DigitalDavinci]

Yeah man. My VG is fine...I'm just slow on the uptake. I just went out to the car for a refesher course , and low and behold a second session without combustion. I also got some sweet hits off of it. I read a recent post by max, and he mentioned not to be so locked on the vizible vapor. I was in the car with nice light streaming in. Loads of vapor comming out. Much more than yesterday. I still had a few flops, but I don't have my grinder today, so I'm heating/drying the bud withh the first, short perheat draw. Then I crush up the herb , and start the session. Worked good this time. Like I said...I'll get the hang of this. Just was misinterpreting what the instructions were. With two days of tutalige from you kind and patient people...I'm starting to warm up to the VG now. Tonight will be fun I think. I'm still going to clean it though. Probally best to keep up the maintence anyways.

DD

 

[DigitalDavinci]

MANNNNN....I cleaned the filter, and holy cow!!! hits like Tyson in his hay-day. I got a minute amount of black/dark brown, but for the last few hours I've really stated to get the hang of this pipe. I can say that I couldn't have figured it out without this forums help. CHEERS ALL!!!

Well. I'm going to keep practicing with it. the tubeing works great SA! I'd recommend it even as a fun thing to see. It really gave me a window into the vapor creation. Help me figure out the right amount of time to put on the flame, and at the right distance. Vtac had the number on the button once the preheat was done. 10 secs at a slow draw (like the PD), and then about a 2 second loss for each next hit to allow for the element heating. Worked good. Actually coughed my ass off tonight. First for the VG and me. Good vibes, but I may still sell it to my friend. He is frugel, and won't ever purchase a vape without trying it for a while. He is a smoker (pot), and I'd like to convert him for his healths sake. The VG and him really get a long well. One bowl and he's vaked, and he had another session with it like a pro.

We'll see.

DD

*huh that rymes...

 

[SpiralArchitect]

Tell him to get his own!!!! The website has 'em!

Glad to hear your getting the hang of things.

I put away the PD just now and loaded up the VG in honor of this momentous occasion. Cheers DD

 

[DigitalDavinci]

lol. I edited it a bit, but yeah that is what is going on through my head right now

 

[SpiralArchitect]

So how did you end up cleaning it, both methods?

I'm still a bit confused by what vtac meant by 'put the round top piece on a vacuum and hit the filter with a blow torch.' Why my vacuum? Wont it melt? and what if i suck it up? How am I going to get it out of the dirty ass filter and shit?