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OF
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This is one first recommended by none less than Vitolo his own self:
http://www.amazon.com/Blazer-Stingr...=8-3&keywords=butane+torch&pebp=1418444782485
I've got one, serious business, more than I can effectively use with VM. But if you want more fire, it's got my recommendation too. Holds a LOT of fuel, too.
OF
M0J0
I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...
Oh I agree with OF. You have to dance on that fine line between perfect heat and nasty combustion and experimentation is your only teacher.
So don't be too shy with the heat is great advice, but it's not for the faint hearted.
Holy crap! Looks like the one I say Mr Mellish roasted his Basic with... Though he denies it. Haha. Creme Brulé (something like that).
I started with a cheap $3 torch from eBay that worked very well, then bought a $28 Vector locally that worked but the Butane tank was too small so it barely lasted a session (shelved now), and now I have a Vapman torch lighter that works perfectly fine. It's cheap too! - I mean, good quality but inexpensive to boot. And it works well at any angle where the Vector sputters at some angles. It's very nice looking though. Very well made too.
But that $3 lighter worked very well until it died. Seriously. I bought two, thinking it each one would last about a month but gave away one to a friend when I saw it kept on going for months. It had a decent sized tank, but the flame was normal.
Ok I'm rambling,...
axakal
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after a cloudy session yesterday, i have to voice some negative criticism. 
the vapman might affect your ability to use it, after a good first load. so either you take a break until you regain your dexterity or use a "safer" alternative if you think, that you're not medicated enough. and yes, it's too efficient. i had some leftovers which would make a joint not even smell like weed, but the vapman stretched it to 2 full loads, with the second proven to be too much to handle. of course it's all subjective, but an interested buyer might get an idea, about what kind of beast the little guy is.
i wonder, if somebody came across a knock-off or did the vm completely stayed under the radar, because it looks so inconspicuous.
the vapman might affect your ability to use it, after a good first load. so either you take a break until you regain your dexterity or use a "safer" alternative if you think, that you're not medicated enough. and yes, it's too efficient. i had some leftovers which would make a joint not even smell like weed, but the vapman stretched it to 2 full loads, with the second proven to be too much to handle. of course it's all subjective, but an interested buyer might get an idea, about what kind of beast the little guy is.i wonder, if somebody came across a knock-off or did the vm completely stayed under the radar, because it looks so inconspicuous.
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$unnyblaq
mist-or-vapor
I always explain it like this to my friends I call it "A dance between vapor and combustion" funny I'm not the only one who thought of it like that
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hoyo77
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The vapman has been out for quite a long time and it used to be under the radar but i gotta feelinafter a cloudy session yesterday, i have to voice some negative criticism.
i wonder, if somebody came across a knock-off or did the vm completely stayed under the radar, because it looks so inconspicuous.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Double-Jet-...275?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7e56134b
This one comes highly recommended by Lotus users...it is dual flame and can be set to single flame. The people in other forums that own this model swear buy it. I am really thinking about getting one myself.
OF
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Excellent observation, hopefully it can lead to some 'breakthrough insight'.
I see similar effects in things like smokeless gun powders, coal fired boilers and such where reaction rates (in our case vaporizing) are dependent on grain size as well as uniformity. That is the reaction happens more on the (ever decreasing) surface, not the core. Small size (large surface for the weight) favors speed, so as time goes on the reaction slows down.
It might be a lot of fun to make a vape for just such stuff. I'm thinking screened size grains, in measured loads for individual hits?
Food for thought.....as you enjoy your research.....
Thanks. And good luck.
OF
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Double-Jet-...275?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7e56134b
http://www.amazon.com/Blazer-Stingray-Butane-Torch-Blue/dp/B002PEVGPC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1418444765&sr=8-3&keywords=butane torch&pebp=1418444782485
I really believe both of these are way overkill, at least for the 'basic' Vapman if not the classic.
Also now have that whiteish charcoal look on my basic thanx to using a Zico for a couple of loads last night, seems the flame is to soft and 'bushy' to me.
I really believe the vapman torch is a perfect match. I'd wager good money that Rene went through a lot of torches before deciding to put his brand on it. ...My thoughts on it anyways. The cheap jet 1300c butane torches can work well but just don't feel as nice to use to me.
This is all only my opinion of course, right after just enjoying a couple vm bowls.
http://www.amazon.com/Blazer-Stingray-Butane-Torch-Blue/dp/B002PEVGPC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1418444765&sr=8-3&keywords=butane torch&pebp=1418444782485
I really believe both of these are way overkill, at least for the 'basic' Vapman if not the classic.
Also now have that whiteish charcoal look on my basic thanx to using a Zico for a couple of loads last night, seems the flame is to soft and 'bushy' to me.
I really believe the vapman torch is a perfect match. I'd wager good money that Rene went through a lot of torches before deciding to put his brand on it. ...My thoughts on it anyways. The cheap jet 1300c butane torches can work well but just don't feel as nice to use to me.
This is all only my opinion of course, right after just enjoying a couple vm bowls.
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RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
Yes the torch comes in the pouch and a nifty little gift box(cardboard). 
No matter how much i mess with the zico it's just not for me and the vapman although i really like both of them for other uses very much. they seem reliable and work fine when i want a softer flame.
YMMV.
No matter how much i mess with the zico it's just not for me and the vapman although i really like both of them for other uses very much. they seem reliable and work fine when i want a softer flame.
YMMV.
axakal
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i just asked, because i wanted to see how ugly a knock-off might turn out. in my admiration for the amount of thought in ingenuity and dedication put in the vm, i find it difficult to be copied. the copier has really to understand, how the vapman works, which is probably not that easy for a not involved person. same goes for the mflb, by the way. magic flight has a gallery of knock-offs in their counterfit guide where one is uglier than the other. while the pax knock-offs at least look like the real deal and probably share most of the internal parts. manufacturing in china has it's downsides.
i don't have a lot of expierence with other torches, but this one works fine so far. it also helped me to find the right flame length. when the flame is too big, there is a delay in shutting it off. so i just dialed it back until the delay was gone.
i hope we can soon see more pictures of the heating station. no more torch clicking in couple of months.
in my admiration for the amount of thought in ingenuity and dedication put in the vm, i find it difficult to be copied. the copier has really to understand, how the vapman works, which is probably not that easy for a not involved person. same goes for the mflb, by the way. magic flight has a gallery of knock-offs in their counterfit guide where one is uglier than the other. while the pax knock-offs at least look like the real deal and probably share most of the internal parts. manufacturing in china has it's downsides.i don't have a lot of expierence with other torches, but this one works fine so far. it also helped me to find the right flame length. when the flame is too big, there is a delay in shutting it off. so i just dialed it back until the delay was gone.
They do come with the cool Vapman pouch. I have a grip of torches, in fact all of the ones shown, but the best torch I have is the Vapman torch. I promise that this is not more of my fanboyism for the Vapman but something I have really tested. If the Vapman torch is not doing the trick for you I recommend that you purge and refill the tank.
i hope we can soon see more pictures of the heating station. no more torch clicking in couple of months.
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M0J0
I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...
I felt the same way as you, Steama. It's hard not to sound like a fanboy, but I was really surprised how good that lighter works.They do come with the cool Vapman pouch. I have a grip of torches, in fact all of the ones shown, but the best torch I have is the Vapman torch. I promise that this is not more of my fanboyism for the Vapman but something I have really tested. If the Vapman torch is not doing the trick for you I recommend that you purge and refill the tank.
It may look plain on the pictures compared to some others (like my pretty Vector), but when I used it a few times I was pleasantly surprised.
I think René found a really good match for the Vapman with that lighter. Maybe he can tell us some more about it here.
Seren
Away with the fairies
I truly couldn't agree more! I didn't buy the Vapman torch with my first unit - I went for the Honest Sleek instead - because I preferred the way it looked. It works great. But, when I ordered my second VM I went for the package deal that included the VM lighter..... and it complements the VM so well. I haven't used any of my (3) Sleeks since. I have had to purge it the once, as it started spluttering a little - the job was made really easy with my Butane Screw Thing:
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OF
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Fun gadget. I agree, don't purge every time. That definitely goes against normal 'bottled gas' practice. Never take a gas system to zero pressure without a solid reason if you care about contamination. Same goes for vacuum systems (never let them 'up to air' without a reason), for the same reasons. While normal drills might include 'burping' a bit of contained gas out to blow dust out (and maybe the odd spider) going any further is generally to be avoided. And brings some risk of damage to the valve.
In the same vein, I would not recommend running the adjustment down to the bottom either. Why? You needless wear the seal ring (risking leaks) and lose your preferred setting. Nice feature to have if you need to adjust the flame, of course (who of us hasn't searched for 'something' to turn it......and made a bad choice or two?), but to crank the valve back and forth seems questionable. At least count the turns so you can back it back out and get closer to what works already than 'about half way'........
Finally, a warning about venting the gas should have been there I think. Dumping gas in the kitchen is not a good idea?
Neat thing for occasional use. I would not use one for either purpose routinely, nor recommend it for those reasons.
OF
Jospapaia
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Hi all,
I want to make sure I'm reading the instructions right before doing the cleaning. When it says placing the middle section in acetone, does it actually means placing the filter with the wood part together or should I unscrew the filter and place only the metal piece?
I want to make sure I'm reading the instructions right before doing the cleaning. When it says placing the middle section in acetone, does it actually means placing the filter with the wood part together or should I unscrew the filter and place only the metal piece?
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
Just seems pretty drastic to me if you've only used the vapman for a couple of weeks is all, but i know we all feel a little different when it comes to keeping things clean.
OF
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Not so your liver, it's pretty rough on it. Many of us recommend Single Malt for assaults on the liver.....
IMO, while Acetone is a useful solvent, best left in the can unless absolutely necessary. Here it's not. I sure would not recommend buying a can, using a few tablespoons and having the rest around. Even if you have a paint locker to store it. There are, I think, much better alternatives in most cases.
OF
Seren
Away with the fairies
OF - you're the man!!
Purely coincidently - that is exactly how I use my BST! I only tend to purge if my lighter's performance becomes a little compromised. I also never change the position of the adjustment valve before filling. But, saying that, the BST was an excellent tool for finding my preferred setting when I first received each of my lighters.
Oh, I forgot to mention before - as well as the VM lighter feeling like the perfect partner to My Little Fella - it also holds a lot more butane than my Honest lighters. That's a big bonus for me when I'm planning on being out and about for a while -in the wilds, or at a festie.