Vapman

[OF]

I'm getting a very light vaporization, some really nice taste but virtually no visible vapor. The very small bowlful is hit probably too many times till browning sets in. The bowl feels hot to the touch.

Welcome to the Forums, tasty choice of vapes.

Sounds to me like not enough heat. It has to be way too hot to touch. Until you learn it it might be better to fill the bowl, but the most important part is to get a little braver with the fire. It takes more than you think, especially when cold. You might even try to intentionally combust, really push it, to learn where the boundary is.

You eventually develop a rhythm of heating and toking that's modified by the results of the last hit you got. It's an easy enough skill to pick up, automatic for most I think, but the key has to be exploring different techniques to get there.

Good luck with it.

OF

 

[turtle360]

Welcome to the Forums, tasty choice of vapes.

Sounds to me like not enough heat. It has to be way too hot to touch. Until you learn it it might be better to fill the bowl, but the most important part is to get a little braver with the fire. It takes more than you think, especially when cold. You might even try to intentionally combust, really push it, to learn where the boundary is.

You eventually develop a rhythm of heating and toking that's modified by the results of the last hit you got. It's an easy enough skill to pick up, automatic for most I think, but the key has to be exploring different techniques to get there.

Good luck with it.

OF

I'll experiment further. Most of the manufacturer's instructions caution against overheating, so I tried to abide. And his famous wapor video he hits it with torch just two 4 counts and off he went...

 

[OF]

I'll experiment further. Most of the manufacturer's instructions caution against overheating, so I tried to abide. And his famous wapor video he hits it with torch just two 4 counts and off he went...

Understood. Caution is good. You're not there yet. Heat is very hard to judge by video. Flame size has a lot to do with it. To get my timing like the video you cite I had to run the flame up a fair bit from where I normally have it.

You need more heat, you're not getting vapor and proper browning. That's a big clue.

OF

 

[Seren]

I'll experiment further. Most of the manufacturer's instructions caution against overheating, so I tried to abide. And his famous wapor video he hits it with torch just two 4 counts and off he went...

I was also a little too cautious on my first couple of bowls after reading the manufacturers instructions - as I didn't want the gold plating to peel off. OF's advice is spot on though - just have a play around with it to get a feel for different temperatures and you'll soon be producing lovely vapour in no time at all.

 

[stim]

I've had a a Vapman for about 6 weeks now. It was my first vape.
I got it because my lungs were vigorously complaining about my daily spliff intake. After some research I opted for the Vapman - the specific reasons for which I now largely forget.

As others have noted it is tiny and very well made. It's a lovely, personal object. Easy to load and clean. Using it implies following your own little ritual, which in itself is both relaxing, and distracting for someone trying to stop smoking cigarettes (I find that the psychologically-led action of putting hand-to mouth, as well as the feeling of draw into the lungs, is as important as the physiological craving for a nicotine hit).

It can be quite the artform to get a consistent heat and vapour. I must say I'm still not fully there yet. I haven't combusted but I frequently overheat. There is a fine line that must be straddled to get a consistent smoke. When it works it works well.

Admittedly, I wasn't t getting the satisfaction I had hoped from the Vapman and ended-up buying a desktop unit (Arizer Q). That's when I discovered FC and the great tips herein. This has helped me to conquer the Arizer and achieve satisfaction. But what about the poor Vapman?

No fear - FC to the rescue again. I went through this thread last night and had several D'oh! moments. Whipped-out my vapman and had a nice little session. Thanks for the generous advice!

The big one for me was connecting it to my bong - I would have never thought of it! The mouthpiece fits snugly inside a small section of arizer whip tubing which I attached to my waterpiece and it makes a big difference. I can control the heat more precisely now as I can see when the vapour is starting to form. I've found that quality of the herb makes a big difference too, especially so because of the small chamber. I can get anywhere between 2-6 decent draws per bowl. Overall very efficient.

In short, connecting to the bong is a game-changer for me. I got the best clouds yet. Still plenty of rooms to experiment but yeah, I'm very pleased with this little fella. I think it's long-term affair.

One thing I don't like about Vapman is, despite it's size, it's too noisy to use to use discreetly. The lighter technique also draws some negative connotations (what's in that bowl young man!?). A battery-operated heating adaptor would go down very well I think.

As it was my first vape I was blown-away by the taste. Only thing was, I had ordered an ebony mouthpiece. Without washing it I am almost certain that it contributed to the initial taste, making it bitter and lingered for days. I've since tasted other vapes and yeah - I think you really need to clean out those wooden mouthpieces before use. Perhaps mine had some residual varnish or something.
I switched back to the plastic mouthpiece. Now I am getting amazing flavour (much more so than the Arizer).

Would I recommend this as a first vape? Probably not - I felt it important to experiment with temperatures and optimal airflow before being able to properly use the Vapman. But as a second, personal vape I highly recommend it.

EDIT: Regarding the three airholes, after my experimentation I feel it is better to leave them unbocked. Breathing technique is important - a slower draw prevents the bowl from cooling too quickly. With some practice the vapour density can be higher than you'd think.

 

[brez431]

The Vapman is my third vaporization tool. Just got it in November. I too like others have discovered that there is a learning curve, not so much on the use of the Vapman, (I had it down within 2 bowls) but with the money wasted trying various other apparatuses.

I have a larger electrically heated desktop vaporizer that has only had 5-7 bowls vaped thru it. It works fine but the fact is I can't have something like that sitting out for kids and visitors to stumble upon, thus, it never gets used. Even in my home office, I just don't feel comfortable with that being in view.

I also have the O pen e-cig style of vaporizer with the Co2 extracts - like the stealth factor but am concerned about the difficulty of the vapor draw when using undiluted extracts. I'm also not comfortable thinning with Polypropylene glycol.

I have been a tobacco pipe smoker since college and find the process of smoking my various Meerschaum and burl wood pipes relaxing and therapeutic. The Vapman instills the same feeling. Living in the frozen north, I can go for my nightly walks in the forest with this beautifully designed, engineered and built vaporizer and colibri lighter. The "egg" fits in my one coat pocket. Pipe and tobbaco leather pouch in the other pocket.

Vape then enjoy some English cavendish.

I still marvel at the size - tiny - but so effective.

This forum has been an invaluable resource for information. I've been lurking and reading for a while now and finally realized that I too, need to add my voice to the symphony of praise for this little wonder. Glad to be here.

thx for the input guys.

I gave it more consideration and it has to be part of the design as others are the same. Actually seems silly now to think it was not as intended, as everything with this vapman is so well thought out.

there is however ONE thing I did not like, I said did cause I have remedied my one niggle. The fact that it rattles around in its egg case. I hike a lot and don't like shit jingle jangling around in my pack.

Here is my fix. Please bear in mind I do NOT put the just used hot , vapman right back into its egg, I let it cool with that said.

I traced line around riiiteaid headache pill bollle LID onto the (sorry not sure its techical name but its the non skid no slip 'foamy' stuff you can buy anywhere basically) . I cut two circles out and notched them 4 ways so they would not pucker.

I simply placed one at a time, smoothing each out, dropped the fill ring on it, put the vapman in and eureka NO more RATTLES.

so cheap so simple, I'm happy. It also stays in place fairly well , I can't even shake them out. a few pics. thought I'd share this tid bit. I took the one of the vapman sitting in it to show height from top of vapman to edge lip of egg.

Stone__Man thanks for the excellent tip! Now when I walk there is no more rattle.

 

[basement farmer]

You may grow to appreciate the simplicity and quickness of using a lighter based vape over time. The nice thing about the Vapman is that you can apply the torch out of sight and then hit it on the sly. It doesn't look like a pipe either, so you can concoct a story if you need to explain away what it's really for.

IMO, of the three butane powered vapes that I have, the VM has the best taste quality. It's only draw backs are it's tiny capacity and the level of involvement it takes to lock 'n load. It's probably no worse than my MFLB though, and I would suspect that most other e-powered portables have relatively complex loading procedures.

It's not what I would consider a big hitter but works awesomely for shake and kief.

One thing I don't like about Vapman is, despite it's size, it's too noisy to use to use discreetly. The lighter technique also draws some negative connotations (what's in that bowl young man!?). A battery-operated heating adaptor would go down very well I think.

 

[vorrange]

You may grow to appreciate the simplicity and quickness of using a lighter based vape over time. The nice thing about the Vapman is that you can apply the torch out of sight and then hit it on the sly. It doesn't look like a pipe either, so you can concoct a story if you need to explain away what it's really for.

IMO, of the three butane powered vapes that I have, the VM has the best taste quality. It's only draw backs are it's tiny capacity and the level of involvement it takes to lock 'n load. It's probably no worse than my MFLB though, and I would suspect that most other e-powered portables have relatively complex loading procedures.

It's not what I would consider a big hitter but works awesomely for shake and kief.

What other two flame based vapes do you have? Just curious. I own the VaporGenie and the Vaponic and have a Lotus on the way.

Would very much like to add a Vapman to my collection although it's use would be similar to the Vaponic with more durability but much more difficult to load (and i don't grind in my Vaponic).

But i find i reached the same conclusion as you did, flame based allows for much smaller units, better taste and much higher autonomy. You only lose on stealth to SOME units, and it's not silent but it's not extra loud either.

I have used it in buses, cafes and bars, out on the street, bathrooms and there is very little instances where i can't use the Vaponic.

Usually places that i can easily drop it like in the middle of the crowd in a concert, or in the movies, or somewhere or sometime when you need to be absolutely silent... most times it's easy to figure out a way to bypass that but i end up not bothering and just vaping sometime later.

I still have a MFLB but i am sick of batteries and charging things that need charging two hours later, plus, the autonomy of a unit is inversally proporcional to it's flavour, meaning the better the taste profile, the worse the autonomy.

For a taste nut like myself, i rather bypass some stealth and/or some autonomy than some flavour. Something i only realized after having bought a MFLB, a DaVinci, and a Solo. MFLB has got the best stealth, DaVinci is a nice equilibrium between stealth and autonomy but with bad taste for my standards, the Solo has very good taste and autonomy but its not stealthy at all.

Flame based units like the Vaponic and the Vapman, have got the best taste and 20x the autonomy of others, while sacrificing a bit on stealth. I believe that is a very nice tradeoff, for taste nuts at least.

The problem is that we have come to distance ourselves as much as we can from combustion, and there is this weird stigma with jet lighters and happened to be used to smoke heroin and crack but that is ridiculous.
It is a lighter guys, its noisier than a battery (of course!!), but it's not that noisy,someone speaking will easily mask the sound. And 95% of situations there we'll be something that is louder than that, or else i live a very noisy life in very noisy places.

People are always praising the Cloud for it's capacity to maintain heat and adjust temperature, well, if you think about it, a lighter that gives you a 1300C/2370F flame does the same of the Cloud system, if you learn to maintain temp by how much and how far you heat your vape.. The only difference is that it is YOUR technique that makes the best or the worst experience.

A lighter, especially a jet lighter, in someone who has excelent technique and can manipulate and maintain temperature, will in theory have a better heating system than 95% of vaporizers when it comes to maintaining temp and fast manipulation of temperature with flame distance and air speed.

 

[stim]

You may grow to appreciate the simplicity and quickness of using a lighter based vape over time. The nice thing about the Vapman is that you can apply the torch out of sight and then hit it on the sly. It doesn't look like a pipe either, so you can concoct a story if you need to explain away what it's really for.

Yes, perhaps I am being churlish as it's the lighter that makes the noise: Click, whooosh. My girlfriend can hear it downstairs

I've been getting into electronics recently. Perhaps I'll try my hand at a battery-powered DIY heating element.

I agree with you re: taste.

 

[basement farmer]

I have Vapor Genies, and Lotus' w. both the J hook and aluminum stem...as well as the Vapman

Generally I don't go out and about with weed on me, except perhaps when I'm going out in the woods or something similar.

So stealth for me is mostly a matter of keeping it on the low-down around the house as there are kids under the roof who don't need to know what I'm up to. My sneakiness consists mainly of firing up privetly behind closed doors or in the basement.

You're going to be happy with your Lotus. For it's relative stealth, convenience, and discrete low(er) odor cloud generation, I find it to be my go-to.

Wha


What other two flame based vapes do you have? Just curious. I own the VaporGenie and the Vaponic and have a Lotus on the way.

Would very much like to add a Vapman to my collection although it's use would be similar to the Vaponic with more durability but much more difficult to load (and i don't grind in my Vaponic).

But i find i reached the same conclusion as you did, flame based allows for much smaller units, better taste and much higher autonomy. You only lose on stealth to SOME units, and it's not silent but it's not extra loud either.

I have used it in buses, cafes and bars, out on the street, bathrooms and there is very little instances where i can't use the Vaponic.

Usually places that i can easily drop it like in the middle of the crowd in a concert, or in the movies, or somewhere or sometime when you need to be absolutely silent... most times it's easy to figure out a way to bypass that but i end up not bothering and just vaping sometime later.

I still have a MFLB but i am sick of batteries and charging things that need charging two hours later, plus, the autonomy of a unit is inversally proporcional to it's flavour, meaning the better the taste profile, the worse the autonomy.

For a taste nut like myself, i rather bypass some stealth and/or some autonomy than some flavour. Something i only realized after having bought a MFLB, a DaVinci, and a Solo. MFLB has got the best stealth, DaVinci is a nice equilibrium between stealth and autonomy but with bad taste for my standards, the Solo has very good taste and autonomy but its not stealthy at all.

Flame based units like the Vaponic and the Vapman, have got the best taste and 20x the autonomy of others, while sacrificing a bit on stealth. I believe that is a very nice tradeoff, for taste nuts at least.

The problem is that we have come to distance ourselves as much as we can from combustion, and there is this weird stigma with jet lighters and happened to be used to smoke heroin and crack but that is ridiculous.
It is a lighter guys, its noisier than a battery (of course!!), but it's not that noisy,someone speaking will easily mask the sound. And 95% of situations there we'll be something that is louder than that, or else i live a very noisy life in very noisy places.

People are always praising the Cloud for it's capacity to maintain heat and adjust temperature, well, if you think about it, a lighter that gives you a 1300C/2370F flame does the same of the Cloud system, if you learn to maintain temp by how much and how far you heat your vape.. The only difference is that it is YOUR technique that makes the best or the worst experience.

A lighter, especially a jet lighter, in someone who has excelent technique and can manipulate and maintain temperature, will in theory have a better heating system than 95% of vaporizers when it comes to maintaining temp and fast manipulation of temperature with flame distance and air speed.

 

[basement farmer]

The click seems to be the dead giveaway

Soon followed by "What are you doing in there?"...which really isn't meant as a question.

Yes, perhaps I am being churlish as it's the lighter that makes the noise: Click, whooosh. My girlfriend can hear it downstairs

I've been getting into electronics recently. Perhaps I'll try my hand at a battery-powered DIY heating element.

I agree with you re: taste.

 

[brez431]

I have Vapor Genies, and Lotus' w. both the J hook and aluminum stem...as well as the Vapman

Generally I don't go out and about with weed on me, except perhaps when I'm going out in the woods or something similar.

So stealth for me is mostly a matter of keeping it on the low-down around the house as there are kids under the roof who don't need to know what I'm up to. My sneakiness consists mainly of firing up privetly behind closed doors or in the basement.

You're going to be happy with your Lotus. For it's relative stealth, convenience, and discrete low(er) odor cloud generation, I find it to be my go-to.

I hear ya amigo about the stealth factor. Basement, garage and even the barn... No noticeable smell w/vapman.

 

[basement farmer]

I hear ya amigo about the stealth factor. Basement, garage and even the barn... No noticeable smell w/vapman.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just be open about it? Maybe someday soon.

 

[turtle360]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just be open about it? Maybe someday soon.

I tried that (again) yesterday. I got admonished (again).

 

[basement farmer]

I tried that (again) yesterday. I got admonished (again).

I usually get "The Look" when I get caught or noticed. It's admonishment lite with a dash of envy.

 

[turtle360]

I usually get "The Look" when I get caught or noticed. It's admonishment lite with a dash of envy.

Mine comes with a healthy dose of false righteousness spewed from a primitive, nether region of the brain about 10 mm north of the medulla oblongata.

 

[Seren]

Would very much like to add a Vapman to my collection although it's use would be similar to the Vaponic with more durability but much more difficult to load (and i don't grind in my Vaponic).

I've never used a Vaponic so I can't really compare, but I can appreciate how you may feel the Vapman may be more difficult to load given its size. However, after loading just a few times it does become second nature & the funnel really helps. I've loaded it many times as a passenger in a moving car with no problems and in no time at all ....... it's easier than rolling a fat one on the go IMO.

Flame based units ...... have got the best taste and 20x the autonomy of others, while sacrificing a bit on stealth. I believe that is a very nice tradeoff, for taste nuts at least............... It is a lighter guys, its noisier than a battery (of course!!), but it's not that noisy, someone speaking will easily mask the sound. And 95% of situations there we'll be something that is louder than that, or else i live a very noisy life in very noisy places.

I agree - the taste is superb and unless you're somewhere where there is absolute silence, then the noise of using the lighter really isn't a problem. I've used mine in lots of places without drawing attention to myself (including just a few feet away from the constabulary at a festie!) - its so small you can cup your hand over it when taking a toke - it just looks like you're covering up a yawn or cough

 

[basement farmer]

I couldn't roll a joint if my life depended on it. Between my need for reading glasses and having man hands, rolling one in a moving vehicle is even more of a no go. I do think you're right though, the VP isn't really that difficult to load so long as you aren't in a huge hurry or under duress. Using forceps to load makes it much less messy for me.

Agree fully too with your stealth assessment. Take the stem off and no one unfamiliar with it would have a clue as to what it's for.

I've never used a Vaponic so I can't really compare, but I can appreciate how you may feel the Vapman may be more difficult to load given its size. However, after loading just a few times it does become second nature & the funnel really helps. I've loaded it many times as a passenger in a moving car with no problems and in no time at all ....... it's easier than rolling a fat one on the go IMO.



I agree - the taste is superb and unless you're somewhere where there is absolute silence, then the noise of using the lighter really isn't a problem. I've used mine in lots of places without drawing attention to myself (including just a few feet away from the constabulary at a festie!) - its so small you can cup your hand over it when taking a toke - it just looks like you're covering up a yawn or cough

 

[vorrange]

How bad is the vapman with ungrided nuggs VS grinded nuggs?

I have come to the conclusion that i prefer my cannabis ungrided as it retains the flavour from the trichomes intact and it is much more floral and fruity than grinded herb.

Plus, it would be one less thing to carry and one less step to go through. On top of that, you would load a bowl much more easily.

 

[OF]

I recommend grinding, and fairly fine. The oven is small and very narrow at the edges. It's very hard to get a good fill without grinding.

I tried, didn't like it. Even 'scissor chopping' had to be fine and the bud fairly dry. Use moist bud with poor contact and it's not going to work well I think.

FWIW I think most of us cure and grind in bulk and carry several loads in a small vial which is, I think, the fastest and easiest way to load in the field. Some guys us little baggies too I guess?

OF

 

[basement farmer]

I definitely concur. In fact, I usually vape the fluff in one of my other pipes and reserve the Vapman for the fines that collect in the bottom of the grinder. For that it works excellently since there's no mesh screen to get gummed up. It's also much easier to clean the VM post-vape for the stickier stuff since the ABVs are simply brushed out of the pan.

I think there should be a 'Extra Big Ass' sized Vapman version for those of us who are herb gluttons.

I recommend grinding, and fairly fine. The oven is small and very narrow at the edges. It's very hard to get a good fill without grinding.

I tried, didn't like it. Even 'scissor chopping' had to be fine and the bud fairly dry. Use moist bud with poor contact and it's not going to work well I think.

FWIW I think most of us cure and grind in bulk and carry several loads in a small vial which is, I think, the fastest and easiest way to load in the field. Some guys us little baggies too I guess?

OF

 

[OF]

I think there should be a 'Extra Big Ass' sized Vapman version for those of us who are herb gluttons.

I like it. How about a revolving turret with several of the regular Vapmans that could rotate into position as the prior one was exhausted?

For Rock Stars and serious vapors there could be the cloud chaser special based on Gattling Gun technology...... You turn the crank the the turret revolves, spitting out the ABV in one, filling the next, heating the third, presenting the fourth for toking.......

For the big shows there's the chain gun version, complete with 220 Volt drive motor and natural gas feed.....not as portable any more......but it will make thick enough clouds for most.

OF

 

[brez431]

I recommend grinding, and fairly fine. The oven is small and very narrow at the edges. It's very hard to get a good fill without grinding.

I tried, didn't like it. Even 'scissor chopping' had to be fine and the bud fairly dry. Use moist bud with poor contact and it's not going to work well I think.

FWIW I think most of us cure and grind in bulk and carry several loads in a small vial which is, I think, the fastest and easiest way to load in the field. Some guys us little baggies too I guess?

OF

Moister herb that isn't dried works fine in the Vapeman also. I just adjust the initial jet flame to 10-13 seconds. Still get a fantastic flavor filled hit. I agree with y'all - it's got to be a finer grind (1 to 2mm sized).

The pan just doesn't allow for nugs and wouldn't be as efficient either.

 

[bongo]

Ahh it feels good to be back.

I was a heavy user for years until I finally got a job that required some heavy thinking (and random testing) so I had to quit. That was a long long time ago. Over the past couple years stress has got me thinking about starting up again but I really really do hate smoking (for health and other reasons) so it just wasn't something I thought I would find enjoyable.

A few weeks ago a friend of mine told me about this vaporizer thing her nephew brought over. I had no idea this even existed much less how popular it had become. I started reading everything I could find on it (this site was a goldmine of information). Vaporizing sounded perfect, no combustion, no smoke, hardly any smell and this amazing flavor I kept hearing about. After reading the pros and cons of all the (wow expensive) electronic and other vapes I decided on two, MFLB and Vapman. I liked the LB just because so many people swear by it . It has almost a cult following and it is made out of wood. How bad can it be? I liked Vapman because it twas totally analog (requiring batteries sounded a bit iffy to me) and it is built like a Swiss watch. The fucking thing has gold in it!

I told my friend I planned to buy one of these and she said to get her something too so I bought both. I figured we could try them and decide who gets which. That was until I saw the Vapman. It looks like it is from another age when engineering and quality craftsmanship were the way most things were made. At the same time it looks like part of a time machine or some other device from the future . I am a huge fan of clever design and engineering and was sold before I even tried it. I could tell just by looking at it that it would work correctly. Today it seems like things are downwardly engineered to the breaking point and backed off a notch to make it barely usable enough to sell. So many things are just a slightly modified and cheaper copy of something else. Profit above pride in workmanship.

There was no way she was getting the Vapeman.

Fortunately she didn't like the idea of a torch (she likes to imbibe in bed before going to sleep) so I didn't have to fight her for it. Since my tolerance is at zero a small amount is all I need. I don't need the huge cloud some people crave but Vapman is capable of that in case I want it. Vaporizing creates the finest taste which was totally lost in the harshness of the smoke I remember. Quickly I discovered the perfect amount of heat needed to just get the vapor going. Low and slow is the way to go. I found that tiny bowl some people dislike is perfect for the way I use it, it lasts me a week or more.

It really is good to be back!

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

I definitely concur. In fact, I usually vape the fluff in one of my other pipes and reserve the Vapman for the fines that collect in the bottom of the grinder. For that it works excellently since there's no mesh screen to get gummed up. It's also much easier to clean the VM post-vape for the stickier stuff since the ABVs are simply brushed out of the pan.

I think there should be a 'Extra Big Ass' sized Vapman version for those of us who are herb gluttons.

I think there is a bigger size Vapman knockoff called the hookshot vape
Yep there is even a thread .. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-hookshot-vape.3103/page-2#post-377892