Vapman

Vapenvy

Indie vaper
@Whissmu ha ha, great response.

Yes, i have much to teach you, i'm sure...just as you assuredly have much to teach me.

@Tiny88 I like to place the tip of the inner blue flame a couple of mm from the apex of the pan/bowl, so the outer flame is hitting and spreading over the pan.

That's a good question too, as both the flame size and distance will have an impact on heating time, so yeah, start slow and build up and you will get to know the correct heating time for your torch, technique and desired temp.

Edit- oh yeah, and wind too, thats a big one. Good observation @Whissmu
 

OF

Well-Known Member
How far away are you holding the flame from the bowl? And what part of the flame are you using?

There's a very useful/informative UTube video of our host, the real life inventor of the VM, demonstrating the basic technique. At one point it was on his web page IIRC but I couldn't find it last time I was there, Google found it, though.

It's entirely too complex to reduce to a 'gonna work' routine. The variations are simply much too large in percentage to make that work. You really do need to get a feel for it and control the action through timing with whatever the torch is giving you.

And building up the heat for the first hit is entirely different (time/heat wise) than the second and later hits (where the pan is already near 'magic temperature').

It's a conduction vape, so load it 'full' of fine to medium herb. Well cured herb, don't waste heat drying it out instead of making vapor....not to mention gumming up the works forcing earlier tear down for cleaning. It works by herb directly contacting a surface (in this case the Gold plated pan) heated past magic temperature. Go for firm contact.

Use a reasonable size flame, say an inch (I gauge by the width of the ring opening) and direct it onto the exposed pan. Distance isn't all that important (within reason) as the hot gas 'plays' on the taper of the cone. I generally use a 'five count' (probably about 3.5 seconds?) between hits, with an extra one to start but you're sure to be somewhat different. Even if we're both going for the same extraction (not that you might go cloud chasing or anything.....)

You have to discover what works for you. Try a few seconds and sip it and see if you get any vapor. You probably won't.....no make that 'surely won't'......get it the first time or two. Keep at it, just heat for a second or so more. Add still more until you're getting the results you want.

Don't be shy with the heat when you go exploring. Combustion is really pretty hard to get to if you're paying attention. It starts with that 'burnt popcorn' taste in plenty of time. If it happens, stopping the draw instantly stops the fire since the air is cut off instantly.

Keep an eye on the load, magic as VM is the load doesn't last forever. Diminishing THC can interfere with your experiment. Keep it fresh, you can come back and 'finish the bowl' later, just dump it into a container once color changes and output changes and replace it for uniform (useful) feedback on the process.

Getting to know it and work with it is essential, easy enough, very flexible, super efficient and a lot of fun. Prepare a gram or two for uniform loads, set aside some time, pay attention to your results and modify the technique (basically timing with uniform flame conditions) to get the results you want.

Edit:

Anyone tried using a triple flame for the Vapman?

Several guys have, and reported poor results. Too broad a flame (total)? You put most of the heat on the ring and your fingers. You want to shoot 'through the hole', not blasting the rim? Better results from cranking up the typical lighter.

BTW, I highly recommend these guys:
http://www.dx.com/p/jet-1300-c-butane-lighter-1320#.WY6tDxK8oWw
https://www.tinydeal.com/refillable-jet-1300-butane-lighter-with-tank-p-2570.html

Plenty tough, do a great job at three bucks each shipped? Delivery is spotty, you might even order one of each??? Very handy for other things, I've used them for years and have yet to break one, despite some serious efforts. For the record, it will solder brass parts, but not as well as a proper torch.........

Regards to all and best wishes for a great weekend (more likely if you nave a VM handy....),

OF
 
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SloJimFizz

Unknown Member
:smug:

Loving getting the hang of this beauty. So tiny, yet so effective.
Was getting whispy hits at first, trying to go slow with the heat. Those lower temp yanks were like hand grenade hits that crept up on me a few minutes later. :whoa:
Was somewhat getting it, then got cocky and combusted a load or two, guess that's part of my learning process. Weird how a combusted bowl tastes so much like ass and nothing like I remember firing up a bowl used to taste back in my combusting days. :shrug:
Then I started hitting my stride with the heat up, and getting the feel for pausing and adding heat to it as I go. That first hit of a bowl, getting up to temp and a keeping it going for as long as I can yank on it is a pretty awesome thing.
Happy to add this to the line up, definitely has it's own thing going on. One more to keep the head guessing whats coming at it next. :tinfoil:
Also, looks like a natural extension of the J-hook. :sherlock:

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Whissmu

Well-Known Member
@Tiny88 I keep a distance of 0.5cm and I like to move the torch, it is not necessary but it helps me to have a record dl time, a couple of years ago I started moving the torch with the vaponic and since then I like ¨agitar my gun¨:science: Jis, jis ,,,

@SloJimFizz enjoy your vapman until you master it :sherlock:, you will see it as a strong medicine for its small size and you will see how past the time it still continues to surprise you! :rofl:

:leaf::peace::leaf:
 
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The Beagle

Bubbles & Bags
getting the feel for pausing and adding heat to it as I go. That first hit of a bowl, getting up to temp and a keeping it going for as long as I can yank on it is a pretty awesome thing.

This.
I never liked counting seconds, after a while you develop a feeling for when and how much reheat your Vapman.

looks like a natural extension of the J-hook.

You should remove the mouthpiece as it adds unnecessary surface for the vapor to condense on.
 

M0J0

I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...

Shannock

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My VM has been with me from the start of my fucking combustion, 2 years now. Since then I have brought many Vaporizers, some which get more love than my faithful VM but when you get it down the VM can destroy most of them on the market! Much Love,

:peace:
 

bridgesoid

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Hi everyone,

Its a very long time since I've posted on the site but I thought I would make a quick contribution to this thread. Have been loving vaping for 15+ years. I've had my first vapman for over ten years (it has the element logo, for any old timers here ;-) and it's still going strong as ever (the top section is a little loose but this is only due to rough treatment/abuse from lending to different friends for months at a time), I oil the wood once a year and I have two now as I love it so much. If anyone is having lighter trouble, I have cheap $2 "honest" brand torches that still work perfectly after 5+ years. Rene has always been a gentleman and consistently fantastic to deal with!

I have many vaporisers but always return fondly to the vapman due to its immediacy, efficiency and the terpene profile it delivers along with its close resemblance to the ritual of a joint or one hitter pipe.. Moreover it is the king of all things hash. I would happily use it as my sole vaporiser if the bowl were slightly larger :love:.. which brings me to a question for Rene/Vapman...

Rene I am fairly physics and design savvy and realise that the vapman bowl is sized the way it is so that a single jetflame lighter is able to evenly heat it in its entirety and that this bowl size is about the max size a single flame lighter is capable of providing a consistent even heat distribution to in the manner in which the current iteration operates (without rotating the torch).

However reliable triple flame lighters such as this one https://www.dhgate.com/product/hone...lable/393615356.html#s1-0-1b;searl|0282456202 are now commonly readily available cheaply at $4.50.. Would you ever consider making an additional slightly larger model utilising a wider and flatter bowl with additional/or alternatively wider air intake tubes, effectively doubling the bowls capacity whilst slightly shortening heat up times? I knocked something rough up with aluminium (would never use this obviously but its malleable quickly) at a friends workshop and using one of these lighters and IR temp gun the heat distribution seemed very uniform :science:.

A model like this with a redesigned tapered middle section (in this way functioning as inbuilt 14mm and 18mm adapter) would for me be the perfect do it all vaporiser, allowing huge hits, effective sharing of bowls and seamless integration with water tools.

I realise it would in no way be as bigger seller nor as beautiful aesthetically but I definitely think there is a market for it among serious vapor aficionados, I would gladly pay more than twice as much for it. Vapman is my favourite vape and truly all I really need but it would be fantastic if you would ever consider making such a thing.

Thanks again for creating Vapman Rene, to me it is truly a work of art.

PS This lighter is brand new to the market, slightly more expensive but would be extremely easy to use with a vapman styled device, tiny in size with a gooseneck and quad flame. You can see the four flames separate perfectly https://www.dhgate.com/product/jobo...recinfo=8,108,2#cppd-2-5|null:108:r1914176707
 
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Gourmet

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@bridgesoid
Whow, what for a sympathic and wonderfull laudatio! :clap::)

I realise it would in no way be as bigger seller nor as beautiful aesthetically but I definitely think there is a market for it among serious vapor aficionados,
I also believe that, because I heard it several times from some vapman-tester.

I guess, the cost could be the hurdle to realise this idea. Technically capable I'm shure.
Every work procedures for the vapman needs own tool parts, and only a new injection mould for the egg-case cost a "small" fortune.

But I'm also convinced of Renés creativity and his unstoppable art of the engineer. :tup:

Quite possible, he find once in the future a solution for this wish, and then it's very possible, he will realize it in his own special way. :D
 

vapman

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Manufacturer
I have many vaporisers but always return fondly to the vapman due to its immediacy, efficiency and the terpene profile it delivers along with its close resemblance to the ritual of a joint or one hitter pipe.. Moreover it is the king of all things hash. I would happily use it as my sole vaporiser if the bowl were slightly larger :love:.. which brings me to a question for Rene/Vapman...

Hi @bridgesoid

Thank you for the great poste!

It is not the first time, that someone is asking for a vapman style vaporizer with a larger bowl. It is of course possible to do but for me it is simply too much work and expenses as with a larger bowl, every single component, except the screws and may be the mouthpiece, becomes bigger. There was actually someone making a larger "vapman" a few years back, it was called "J-hook" or similar. You can find it on this thread, I wonder myself what happened to it and why did it stop.

Have you upgraded your vapman with the new ss ring? May be you could send in your vapman for the 10 years service, it will be like new again an go for another 10 years. Who knows if I'm still alive then.;)

vapman
 

Dutch-Mic

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It took about a year, but I finally made the decision to buy the Vapman basic! It will probably arrive Tuesday.

At the moment I use the MFLB outdoors, Vapcap M for quick medicinal hits and the Vaponic for flavourful late night armchair vape sessions. After reading lots of posts in this thread I'm certain that the Vapman will also be used frequently!

Btw, from the moment I decided to buy the Vapman, a song is in my head:


I'm a vapman...:rockon:
 

204Markie

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My fellow Vapmen, I for the first time tried hash in the my VM with a concentrate screen; I don't regret it one bit! It got soo messy that I had to torch the screen to clean it. It worked out great and the flavor is amazing, I switched up my torch style from 3s bursts to 1s shots and surprisingly have been getting better results. So simple but every part of this vaporizer has been thought out. I used to cover the carb holes and always wondered why there was 3 and found it awkward but with such a small vapor path it makes so much sense to me now!

So....... /Concentrate screen/Hash/Glass MFLB Stem/ and my lovely VM heating station!


As a side note I love my VM so much and ive had it for almost a year now and I kinda wanna get another VM but I want the basic this time as I think for aesthetics I think the charred wood would look nicer then the Mica that is starting to discolour. Also because my roommates fell in love with my VM and torch it pretty good; so I want to use my current VM as the rough and tumble vape that's used with the bongs,bubblers and Hash/concentrates and another one that I use with gentle care that I use solely for my meditative process that no one else will use as I have my technique down and the other 2 people in the house are still learning!


@vapman Is it possible to get the Yew as the basic as it's not advertised on your site?
 

vapman

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Manufacturer
@vapman Is it possible to get the Yew as the basic as it's not advertised on your site?

I have a few basic Yews in stock but I have to say, that they are prone to crack around the bowl. Cracks are only aesthetically a problem as the cracks stay stable after the cracking happened. Because of this, I won't make anymore basic Yews, it is too much work to explain all this to our clients.

I found, that the cracking happens always at the beginning when using the basic Yew the first few times. I could test the basic Yew and sell it only to you, in case it doesn't crack. If you are interested, write me an email to: mail@element-medical.ch


I would love to help you getting a very special vapman!:)

vapman
 

204Markie

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I appreciate it very much for helping me with my journey @vapman

Also does someone here have a mflb finishing grinder? I abandoned my funnel for the most part and when I'm feeling lazy I just end up using my "finger scissors" and load a coarse grind as it's easier to pack.

So if someone has experience with the finishing grinder it would be very appreciated!

As always! 420 in the 204
 

M0J0

I am a leaf on the wind ~ watch how I soar...
I appreciate it very much for helping me with my journey @vapman

Also does someone here have a mflb finishing grinder? I abandoned my funnel for the most part and when I'm feeling lazy I just end up using my "finger scissors" and load a coarse grind as it's easier to pack.

So if someone has experience with the finishing grinder it would be very appreciated!

As always! 420 in the 204
I bought an MFLB Finishing Grinder because the vapman loves fine ground herb.

I was disappointed with it because you have to use very dry herb or it will clog up quickly. I also found it hard to manipulate because it's so tiny.

I don't use it anymore. I use a cheap small Chromium Crusher brand grinder from Amazon that produces a fine enough grind.

Just my personal opinion, of course.
 

davesmith

Well-Known Member
Glass Blower
I've use for the mflb fg and it fits on the filling ring pretty well. The only problem is it is slightly too big so you have to scoot the herb down into the chamber. The grind is ideal though. It'd be a great accessory if vm made a fg style grinder for the vm
 

204Markie

Well-Known Member
There are a lot of vaporizers out there that have car adapters ( though the Vm isn't like most ) but I was thinking that it would be cool to have a car adapter for my VM Station; just a thought.

Also I just finished up my emails with Rene @vapman and I'm happy to say that I'll be receiving my second VM and my first basic in Yew. I'm quite excited about it and now I can worry less about the other one that my roomates use.
 
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