Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud

[VapeNStone]

Could I get a VXL response to this, please? I've asked this question a few times now and it's never been answered, but it's info I need to know before I can commit to any package.

don't quote me on it but I believe they will be internationally ready right away. Otherwise I would think they would have told you internationalers not to donate at all. It even mentions a extra shipping cost for international customers. So I'm just going to assume that you shouldn't worry.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Happy birthday to me... happy birthday to me...

My hubby decided I could do this as a b-day prezzie for myself.

suh-weet! mine other half got mine for the same reason. my bday is right between now and release date.

oh, i just had a thought, the HT's will probably be ready before the clouds are.... after the campaign is over and they've got all the math and accounting done.... maybe offer to ship tubes out (for additional shipping cost) early? give us a chance to try 'em out w/ our old clouds or other gear while awaiting the eagle? 'course that leaves room for a broken HT before even getting an eagle.... maybe give ya guys something to do while production is gearing up? just a thought,

 

[Enchantre]

I'm hoping to have a windfall before the campaign ends, so I can bump up to Fanatic/beta test level... however, at the very least, I'll have a cloud.

Oh, and we'll be moving before the release date, too.

 

[Anonymouse]

don't quote me on it but I believe they will be internationally ready right away. Otherwise I would think they would have told you internationalers not to donate at all. It even mentions a extra shipping cost for international customers. So I'm just going to assume that you shouldn't worry.

What I'm trying to find out is whether there'll be two models again, US and International, or if it'll be a universal voltage unit like most vapes these days.

 

[t-dub]

Happy birthday to me... happy birthday to me...

Welcome "Mother of Dragons" to the VapeXhale experience . . .

 

[Enchantre]

Eagles and Dragons... hmm... I can see a partnership there... of sorts. Or battles.



I think I've just eliminated two other vapes, though... I won't be getting a Herbalizer, or a Sublimator. The Sub is impressive, but a bit too much like a jet engine on a go-cart... and the Herbalizer, while really sleek, and will probably be fabulous, it is, at the end of the day, a whip/bag vape, and I love using glass.

Everyone with the original Clouds, and the good Cloud+, has been solidly happy with them, so it wasn't that difficult a decision. Besides, that watertool is amazing.

 

[Vapinghole]

I think I've just eliminated two other vapes, though... I won't be getting a Herbalizer, or a Sublimator. The Sub is impressive, but a bit too much like a jet engine on a go-cart... and the Herbalizer, while really sleek, and will probably be fabulous, it is, at the end of the day, a whip/bag vape, and I love using glass.

Everyone with the original Clouds, and the good Cloud+, has been solidly happy with them, so it wasn't that difficult a decision. Besides, that watertool is amazing.

I've recently drawn the same conclusion. You describe my considerations almost exactly. The Cloud experience is perfect for me. I can't see it getting any perfecter.

 

[John Lewus]

I've recently drawn the same conclusion. You describe my considerations almost exactly. The Cloud experience is perfect for me. I can't see it getting any perfecter.

Same here. The cloud design is my favorite. I am considering the herbalizer once it is out and reviews come in only because it can be used for other things that look interesting. It all depends on price of that thing because my money is going to the eagle first.

 

[mmafighterthe25]

I got a cloud original, i pre ordered sublimator last night, an have cloud eagle on pre order

Ill reviews some stuff for ya

 

[grokit]

While I'm blown away by the Sublimator, and I love my SSV, October can't come soon enough!

My old friend the SSV will go into extended standby/aromatherapy mode at that point

 

[mmafighterthe25]

While I'm blown away by the Sublimator, and I love my SSV, October can't come soon enough!

My old friend the SSV will go into extended standby/aromatherapy mode at that point

ssv is fantastic I had hotbox, then tried ssv blew me away. Friend wants to buy it will never sell it. Never breaks had mine 3 years. Yea I cant wait try sublimator when comes next week, cloud is go to right now

mod note: Edited to move content outside of quote tags. Please be careful where you are typing your response.

 

[stonemonkey55]

What I'm trying to find out is whether there'll be two models again, US and International, or if it'll be a universal voltage unit like most vapes these days.

We plan on releasing both a US and International version. We are looking at some dual voltage setups, I had no ideas most vapes were dual voltage these days, which ones are these? Does it require just some sort of universal adapter for the plug?

 

[Hippie Dickie]

We plan on releasing both a US and International version. We are looking at some dual voltage setups, I had no ideas most vapes were dual voltage these days, which ones are these? Does it require just some sort of universal adapter for the plug?

all the power supplies i see these days have voltage and frequency input that covers both US and EU standards, so yes, just a different plug is required -- most EU countries have their own unique configuration. the wheels of progress are slow, eh?

 

[Anonymouse]

We plan on releasing both a US and International version. We are looking at some dual voltage setups, I had no ideas most vapes were dual voltage these days, which ones are these? Does it require just some sort of universal adapter for the plug?

There's two approaches. Cheapest/easiest is to design based on a fixed internal DC voltage and then you just supply an AC adapter with the unit. All base units are the same, and only the adapter needs to change to suit local power supply/plug needs. Most AC adapters you see outside the US are switchmode and handle any AC input from 100-240V automatically, and come with a few alternative breakaway wall plugs for different regions. You could supply a similar unit with your products, but even if 120V US-plug-only adapters were all that was supplied, if the plug it connected to the unit with was a standard type like a coax plug, users could easily source their own adapters with the right specs locally for very little, or online for dirt cheap. The Arizer plug-in models both work like this (and I think the Solo charger function, too?).

Second approach is to have the device plug straight into the wall, but use a removable power cable to the unit with a kettle plug or two pin IEC or some other standard, common connection, so customers can just use their own local cable and not worry about plug adapters (PC/kettle plug cable is good as people tend to have spares already laying around, though the plug is a bit bulky). Additionally, your hardware has to have an internal power supply that can sense input voltage and regulate it accordingly to whatever internal voltage/s you actually use, like the switchmode powersupplies in virtually every PC these days. Look how cheap those are, too. 250W is a lot more than the Cloud draws, I believe, and those are like $10 each in quantity, and that's including the additional cost of the wiring harness and metal enclosure, etc. A lot of generic Chinese plug-in "box" vapes do it this way.

Those supplies output DC, though, and I think you guys went straight AC internally, all analog logic (IIRC?), which might limit your choice of compatible alternative supplies, possibly to zero. Is your power supply an off-the-shelf unit or integrated into your board design? If the former I'd ask wherever you're sourcing it from if they have an alternative than can automatically handle varying input voltage. Even if they can't supply a part themselves they can probably point you towards the right people (It sounds like the ship has probably sailed for this generation, though). It can be a bit of extra hassle to set up but it means you only have to manufacture one version of each product, and can easily allocate stock around the world market as needed/desired.

 

[John Lewus]

For the love of God please do not make any design changes that require us to use a power brick with this unit. Having a simple standard detachable cord is the best user experience especially since I can buy after market cords in different lengths to suit my setup.

 

[m0sh]

We plan on releasing both a US and International version. We are looking at some dual voltage setups, I had no ideas most vapes were dual voltage these days, which ones are these? Does it require just some sort of universal adapter for the plug?

Arizer products.

For the love of God please do not make any design changes that require us to use a power brick with this unit. Having a simple standard detachable cord is the best user experience especially since I can buy after market cords in different lengths to suit my setup.

Power brick will be easier to handle and to replace.

Any universal power vaporizer has an advantage and gets my vote!!!

 

[John Lewus]

Arizer products.
Power brick will be easier to handle and to replace.

Not for me.

 

[m0sh]

Not for me.

OH well nobody is perfect


But using a step down adapter is worse.

 

[John Lewus]

OH well nobody is perfect


But using a step down adapter is worse.

As the user I am only focused on the user experience and having an external power brick makes for a worse user experience. One of the things I intend to do with the Eagle is to have a few cheap $3 power cables at various outlets around my house so that I can detach my cloud and use in different places. If you put the electronics in the power supply it means I would have to have a big power brick in the cable. It also means I would have to move the cable and big power brick or buy more power bricks just to have that convenience. Also, the most external power supplies that are plugged in the more vamp power sucking my wallet dry along with the costs of more power supplies.

The best design for the user is to integrate the power supply into the unit and have a detachable cable. As someone who lives in the USA I don't require non-US voltages to be supported so I will defer to Vapexhale on how to do that support. Ideally they could get a single internal power supply that can handle world voltages but that might cost more $$$ which may or may not make sense to apply to every Eagle.

 

[m0sh]

As the user I am only focused on the user experience and having an external power brick makes for a worse user experience. One of the things I intend to do with the Eagle is to have a few cheap $3 power cables at various outlets around my house so that I can detach my cloud and use in different places. If you put the electronics in the power supply it means I would have to have a big power brick in the cable. It also means I would have to move the cable and big power brick or buy more power bricks just to have that convenience. Also, the most external power supplies that are plugged in the more vamp power sucking my wallet dry along with the costs of more power supplies.

The best design for the user is to integrate the power supply into the unit and have a detachable cable. As someone who lives in the USA I don't require non-US voltages to be supported so I will defer to Vapexhale on how to do that support. Ideally they could get a single internal power supply that can handle world voltages but that might cost more $$$ which may or may not make sense to apply to every Eagle.

Having a power brick doesn't change the fact that it has a detachable cord
So apart from just having an external power brick which is a better design (power supply not in the machine itself is better) , you'd still be able to buy any length cord.

 

[oldiebutgoodie]

Having a power brick doesn't change the fact that it has a detachable cord
So apart from just having an external power brick which is a better design (power supply not in the machine itself is better) , you'd still be able to buy any length cord.

This was my thought, too. E.g., the Arizer Q has a jack plug-in long thin cord to the power supply, which in turn uses a separate standard detachable power cord to the wall. IMO this is easier and safer than on the board.

 

[ogcook]

I do NOT want a power brick! Yes the Arizer has one but wouldn't it be SO MUCH MORE CONVENIENT to just have a single smaller cord that plugs into the wall? Why add MORE WEIGHT to the cord and bulk to it? Lets keep this sleek and looking nice! If they have a heater that can accept 120-240, then you would just need a different end plug on a cord.

 

[b0]

I do NOT want a power brick! Yes the Arizer has one but wouldn't it be SO MUCH MORE CONVENIENT to just have a single smaller cord that plugs into the wall? Why add MORE WEIGHT to the cord and bulk to it? Lets keep this sleek and looking nice! If they have a heater that can accept 120-240, then you would just need a different end plug on a cord.

Because if the power brick brokes you can buy a new one and everything is solved but if it's inside the unit you will have to send it (some of us even send it over seas) and wait till they repair it and send again?

In the end is not our choice so be calm dude, you don't need to use mays and be rude to tell your opinion. I'm sure VXL will choose the best option.

mod note: Please leave moderating to the moderators. I did not see ogcook as being rude, just emphatic.

 

[Anonymouse]

Having a power brick doesn't change the fact that it has a detachable cord
So apart from just having an external power brick which is a better design (power supply not in the machine itself is better) , you'd still be able to buy any length cord.

This, plus I can't see additional generic adapters being more than like $20 each, so the cost of having a few extras isn't a big deal anyway...

but

...nobody is suggesting we use this approach for the Cloud. Most plugpak adapters will balk at squeezing 200W of low-voltage DC over a skinny cable. I just mentioned it as the cheapest approach to making a world-compatible appliance. The VXL products use an internal power supply, so I mentioned that approach last.

Also, the additional cost of an internal switchmode supply should be insignificant, and more than offset by the convenience of inventory management and global marketing it provides. It's just that it's probably not even an option for this gen anyway, due to the DC/AC thing. Maybe the mysterious "Higher Primate" will use DC internally?

 

[t-dub]

I do NOT want a power brick!