Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud

oldiebutgoodie

Apostle, Church of Vaporization
This is a fair point and question, as I have only used mine with top quality sensimila, I have no idea how I would preform with lesser quality product.

I don't have access to the fine quality many/most of you do, so I can't make that comparison. But my Cloud works perfectly fine with the medium quality I have; it certainly easily outperforms my Q. Doesn't make sense to me that VXH would design a quality vape which is limited to the most expensive high-end herb.
 
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vape4life

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here's what I estimate to be .1, roughly two MZ stems. I had the dial at two-ish. I took one rip, the pic below is the abv. One hitter quitter.

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edit - just timed my warmup from cold, got to 1 o'clock in just under 7 minutes.

That doesn't look very evenly roasted. I'm assuming due to the small load, it would be more roasted after another hit or too?
 
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oldiebutgoodie

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small load? looks like a bigger than 'small load' to me. ok, just how big is the elb anyway?

B. wrote that it was only .1g. I grind mine medium about like B.'s; .1g loose comes to about 1/4, .25g loose comes up to about 2/3-3/4, and .5g is about the max if I pack it down.
 
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nightwing

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<snip>
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Giant Robot. :)

Right. I know.
Please understand I did not reach this decision without much deliberation.

I feel obligated now to go ahead and elaborate on my thought process here...and my only intent is to outline these concerns as plainly as possible.
Despite my lack of emoticons, no ill will or offense is intended in any of the following.

As I begin to type out this monumental wall of text,
I should preface it by stating that after the last round of orders got refunded I pretty much stopped paying attention to the thread(s).

At that point it seemed to just be a waiting game for everything to come together and there was little relevant information being posted at the time.
Since then I've dropped by every month or so to dip into the thread and see if anything new was happening, but to date I had not really seen anything of note.

Fast forward to this week and I receive my order email.
My first concern right of the bat is I have been issued this 24 hour ultimatum to immediately order or risk not being able to receive the product I chose ... this mind you after extending the courtesy of my own patience to the manufacturer for nearly 3/4 of a year ...
But this is a minor irritant, I digress.

So off I merrily traipse to place my order.
Wait, what's this?
The product I originally ordered (SGW tube) is not listed as one of my possible selections.
Damn.

Wait, the other HT I was interested is not listed either?
What?

And what the hell is a HydraCirc?
And why are there no pictures of any HT at all anywhere on the order page to assist me in making a buying decision?

Great ... so off to FC.com to get the scoop I go.
Of course, like a good member I refrain myself from posting my questions, and instead proceed to wade through 1300 posts over the next four hours in an attempt to figure out why there's only two HTs (only one of which I've ever heard of in the entire development process) and to see what the current circumstances are.

Along the way I've come across a few things which, as far as I can tell, are for me considerable drawbacks.
These issues also appear to be universally occurring and are not random one off circumstances arising from the variable nature of many manufactured products.

My main sticking points were these :

1. The unit will exhibit a repetitive constant or intermittent clicking sound while in operation. For many this noise may not be an issue. For myself, given my temperament and the relative constant silence of my home, I fear I will find this constant noise either extremely distracting, highly irritating, or even possibly a source of concern.

2. Exhalation into the HT comes with the imminent danger of loss or injury. While I think I may be able to avoid ever breathing out while using the product I do not feel confident wagering near $400 that my wife will be equally capable of controlling her muscle reflexes. I would wager though, that every single person here has either performed or witnessed the occasional murph, so I do know this occurring is certainly well within the realm of possibility.

3. HT quality control (both "Pro" and In-House) appears to need addressing. IMO enough people out of this small subset of orders have mentioned issues with the Vertigo label peeling and design inconsistencies with the HydraCirc to cause me to pause.

4. After usage the unit can become uncomfortable to hold. Not monumentally concerning for me, but again with my wife, I don't want something that is going to be uncomfortable or impossible for her to use. As she has very small hands as well as a quite limited reach, I'm guessing the usable "grips" for her would be fewer than many others here, and if the product is too hot to use in the usual grip areas ... then kinda what's the point. I'm guessing given our pattern of usage (that is together) and the amounts we use (because all I can afford is $120/oz crap) a single session would either not be possible or excessively prolonged due to waiting for cool down. (This all is requiring a bit of conjecture on my part, so a ways down my list of concerns).



So those items, and several other minor concerns I have not mentioned, all add up leave me rather hesitant.
Certainly not confident enough to rush to slam down my money in the short time period allotted me to place my order.

I think for the most part my reasoning is logical.

As has been stated repeatedly the VE folks want to produce a good product.
That is evident. Their intent appears to be impeccable, enthusiastic and heartfelt.
I believe that ... I've already tried to give them money for this before.

But given the limited amount of information I have to work with I can only conclude they have not quite succeeded yet; but I feel somewhat confident they may yet be able to do so in the future.

So I think maybe the more prudent course of action, despite my reluctance to do so, would be for me to wait until they have addressed the production issues and pay the extra $100 for a clearly superior product.

I dunno...like I said, I didn't just jump to a decision and have tried providing evidence of that fact here.
I didn't see a couple little comments and have a knee jerk reaction.
I've tried to accumulate and parse as much information is available here at the moment.

And it is with a great, great deal of disappointment (and still second guessing) that I did reach this decision.
I've been very, very excited to get my hands on this and still want it right this very moment; but yet I cannot see that I will be anything other than disappointed with some aspects of the product in its current state.

I originally only came here the other day to mention that VE could skip my order in case any of the staff needed to know ... because after I emailed them my a short message indicating my decision to not order the response I received was another set of instructions for how to order...
so I just wanted to make sure if it needed to be noted that it was.

Anyway, there you are.
I apologize for taking up an entire page with this, but I felt obliged to share.
 
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vape4life

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Man, i'd kill for your preorder. There is no perfect vape, the VXC has issues just like every other one.
 
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notmyrealUSERname

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I am slightly disappointed to hear that the sgw ht's aren't available to order. I was under the impression that the relationship with sgw was solid, have they all been sold out - or "damaged" in transit? Btw, how does a glass company who ships glass every day lose an order due to poor packing, seems silly to me, but it is what it is I guess.

I think its time to update the original post in this thread with some upto date info about the ht's including pics.

Night wing, you could have ordered the vxc anyways then put it up for sale as an unopened box, you would have had plenty of takers.
 
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nightwing

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@vape4life
i guess I was incorrect; I always read the statement "there is no perfect vape" to mean
"there is no one vape that performs all possible vaping activities the absolute best; and personal opinion and preference will decide what vape is best for you"
not
"a vape with flaws and imperfections is a foregone conclusion"

@notmyrealUSERname
thanks
i considered that ... but i just could not reconcile the possiblity of being stuck having to replace someone's HT getting broken in transit, and i don't live in a friendly state so person to person sales are a little less than desirable.
 
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max

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nightwing said:
1. The unit will exhibit a repetitive constant or intermittent clicking sound while in operation.
I never heard the clicking sound (beta or production unit) until it was brought it up, and I put the unit up to my ear. I don't see it as a problem unless you like to vape in silence. I never hear it during use.

2. Exhalation into the HT comes with the imminent danger of loss or injury.
The same could be said for cleaning glass in boiling water or driving your car too fast. A little common sense goes a long way (that includes letting your friends try the Cloud with dry HT).

3. HT quality control (both "Pro" and In-House) appears to need addressing.
Can't say about that, except that I have SD and Vertigo tubes that have no issues. The fact that I might get an HT with an issue wouldn't dissuade me from buying the vape.

4. After usage the unit can become uncomfortable to hold
I've used log vapes that got hotter and I can't recall a complaint on that issue from owners of those. The screws are the only part on the housing that get a little hot, and they're easily avoided. Even when I don't avoid, it doesn't really bother me.

after I emailed them my a short message indicating my decision to not order the response I received was another set of instructions for how to order...
I don't think emails/special instructions are necessary. Just don't order when you get the invite.
 

vape4life

Banned for life
@vape4life
i guess I was incorrect; I always read the statement "there is no perfect vape" to mean
"there is no one vape that performs all possible vaping activities the absolute best; and personal opinion and preference will decide what vape is best for you"
not
"a vape with flaws and imperfections is a foregone conclusion"
.

I just meant that the Cloud clicks/ticks, it's not perfect, but by far people love it.
 
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notmyrealUSERname

Notmy Well-Known Member
Max:

"the fact that I might get an ht with an issue wouldn't dissuade me from buying the vape".


I agree I would still purchase the vape itself but I would expect to be able to return the defective ht for one that performs as expected. It seems the vxc crew has already encountered this issue and we able to deal with it through their warranty program. Kudos! Or the vxc crew could offer a monetary discount instead of a new ht.

So it seems that to me that the ht's may be a big part of the backlog... Apparently there was only 5-10 sg ht's that made it into the public's hands. We know that the vertigo tubes are going out the door, but apparently there has been a design change on the label, no big deal but there are no recents pics for the informed consumer to drool over.

Has anyone received a sgw ht? I realize that some didn't arrive in one piece but surely some made it? How long till the next shipment?

Lastly, the In house hyrdracirc. This one looks cool, probably works fantastic, but doesn't have the name brand cache that the others do.


It seems as if out of the original 3 ht's that were offered only one is actually available to buy. Some might.call that a bit of a bait and switch, but because the vxc crew has been upfront and explained why the changes have occurred, i wouldnt say that. However, I am not clear why the relationship with SG has ended.
 
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LiquidDreams

VapeHead
I don't have access to the fine quality many/most of you do, so I can't make that comparison. But my Cloud works perfectly fine with the medium quality I have; it certainly easily outperforms my Q. Doesn't make sense to me that VXH would design a quality vape which is limited to the most expensive high-end herb.

Yeah, you don't need the greatest grass in the world. But, vaping in general works better with decent, or better, grass. One of the greatest features of the Cloud is its amazing taste. So, if you have access to high grade stuff, it makes the experience much better. High grade makes any smoking/vaping experience better, though. So, this isn't limited to the cloud.

Mexican brick backyard boogie kush, with no visible trichs, isn't going to perform well in any vape.
 
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max

Out to lunch
Any big hitter, like the Cloud, is the best type for use with less than the best herb. If my herb quality wasn't good, my CRZ would be the one getting a rest.
notmyrealUSERname said:
Has anyone received a sgw ht?

It seems as if out of the original 3 ht's that were offered only one is actually available to buy.
Did I miss something? I know Sovereignty bowed out of HT production (AFAIK the ones who got one are IT), but I don't recall either of the other two calling it quits. Of course there will be availability issues from time to time. The 'in house' tubes should be high quality, cheaper, and 'out of stock' issues should be much less of a problem. Down the road I would expect the 'name blowers' to be producing custom HT's, for those willing to pay more, while the standard tubes will mostly come from the scientific producer.
 
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B.

War Criminal
B. wrote that it was only .1g. I grind mine medium about like B.'s; .1g loose comes to about 1/4, .25g loose comes up to about 2/3-3/4, and .5g is about the max if I pack it down.

That jives with what I've seen.


That doesn't look very evenly roasted. I'm assuming due to the small load, it would be more roasted after another hit or too?

Exactly. When I've hit loads of the same size multiple times it comes out very even. I'll get a pic of that going later tonight. The Cloud excels at evenly vaping my bud, it does as well or better than any other vape I've tried.
 
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IAmKrazy2

Darth Vapor
I never heard the clicking sound (beta or production unit) until it was brought it up, and I put the unit up to my ear. I don't see it as a problem unless you like to vape in silence. I never hear it during use.

The same could be said for cleaning glass in boiling water or driving your car too fast. A little common sense goes a long way (that includes letting your friends try the Cloud with dry HT).

Can't say about that, except that I have SD and Vertigo tubes that have no issues. The fact that I might get an HT with an issue wouldn't dissuade me from buying the vape.

I've used log vapes that got hotter and I can't recall a complaint on that issue from owners of those. The screws are the only part on the housing that get a little hot, and they're easily avoided. Even when I don't avoid, it doesn't really bother me.

I don't think emails/special instructions are necessary. Just don't order when you get the invite.

Couldn't have said this better myself. IMO the overal heat of the unit and the clicking sound are way overplayed. Not issues at all IMO. Do people really sit and vape in complete silence? No TV, no music? If so, why I guess?
 

jackstraw62

Low temp deadhead vaporist
I bought mine for use with my 18" and the ht was immaterial. I was considering selling it but that was before I received it . Now I don't know. When I got the cloud I used both now I find myself reaching for my 18" stemless.re: the clicking sound I was using a hot air gun so this is an improvement. Quality of weed(can't vape what is not there). What I get from my primary caregiver (currently grape ape) is very potent and the taste and the buzz that I get at 9 o'clock lasts a long time for me. I have found my sweet spot with this vape to be 9 o'clock . I let my medicine dry out on the tray and I still get great taste nice blue clouds and a great buzz. I am sorry to see some of the quality control issues but I have faith in sm55 and the rest of the crew to make it right . I don't usually buy the first of anything but I am glad that I bought this vape.:2c:
 

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IAmKrazy2 said:
IMO the overal heat of the unit and the clicking sound are way overplayed. Not issues at all IMO. Do people really sit and vape in complete silence? No TV, no music? If so, why I guess?
I guess it stands to reason that with a high end vape with this much hype, due to production delays, that some are going to hold it to a higher standard. My big complaint is getting the damn bowl out, and a pocket knife with a dull blade serves that purpose. A small metal tool should be included in the kit, and until that happens, I refuse to order a 2nd Cloud. ;)
 
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pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
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This guy does.


OT: I spent a little time in an anechoic chamber (test facility at Bell Canada Labs) and it is damned spooky. If you are left in there alone for a couple of minutes you start to hear all your body valves pumping. It is creepy and not an experience I would want to have stoned.
 

nightwing

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Couldn't have said this better myself. IMO the overal heat of the unit and the clicking sound are way overplayed. Not issues at all IMO. Do people really sit and vape in complete silence? No TV, no music? If so, why I guess?

My household is myself and my wife ... she's agoraphobic, I'm anti-social.
We have no friends, family visits that can be counted on one hand per year, and all my children are grown and moved out.

We have one small rescue dog who spent the majority of her life in a < 900 square foot breeding operation with 80 other dogs.
Her formative years have made her rather jumpy ... as such volume levels and commotion in the home are typically minimized.

I'm over 40, and for me the novelty of gettin baked and listening to tunes waned long ago.
I typically listen to music only at work to help the day while away.

In my spare time I surf the Internet, message my kids online, read, play games, and write.
Most of this is done on an iPad typically with the volume off.

We watch some tv, but again it usually fairly quiet.

Also ... there are a lot of folk that medicate for sanity sake and not solely for amusement.
So yes, believe that the product may be used in a wide variety of environments.


And as to the arguments for yes it hot vs no its not; and it clicks noticeably vs it doesn't click at all vs it clicks but you can't tell ... all of the varying comments again just lead me back to the conclusion that the quality is inconsistent.
 
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I guess it stands to reason that with a high end vape with this much hype, due to production delays, that some are going to hold it to a higher standard. My big complaint is getting the damn bowl out, and a pocket knife with a dull blade serves that purpose. A small metal tool should be included in the kit, and until that happens, I refuse to order a 2nd Cloud. ;)
I can pull my elb out with a thumb and forefinger my thumbnail can pry the cap off. I don't vape in silence(dead 3/5/72 now). About the only thing I would add is a digital temp readout or failing that where is 315f on the dial, but I believe that i found that by trial and error.:D
 
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stickstones

Vapor concierge
That jives with what I've seen.




Exactly. When I've hit loads of the same size multiple times it comes out very even. I'll get a pic of that going later tonight. The Cloud excels at evenly vaping my bud, it does as well or better than any other vape I've tried.

When I hit my Cloud with one PD stems worth of herb, I get one big hit like you got, then after another two or three weaker hits the herb is evenly cached out and not as dark as in the PD. I probably could have stopped after one hit, as it is a big hit, but I wanted to get all four hits in like I do with the PD stem to more accurately compare. The bottom line is, this thing appears to be able to effectively and efficiently vape as little as you want to.
 
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I can pull my elb out with a thumb and forefinger my thumbnail can pry the cap off. I don't vape in silence(dead 3/5/72 now). About the only thing I would add is a digital temp readout or failing that where is 315f on the dial, but I believe that i found that by trial and error.:D
My nails aren't long enough to be of use, and from a woman's point of view (momofthegoons), it's also an issue. For me, digital is just something more likely to go wrong. If they come out with a digital model, I won't be in any hurry to get one, and may not be interested period. As long as I know the vaping range, I don't really need numbers, just set points.
 

jackstraw62

Low temp deadhead vaporist
My nails aren't long enough to be of use, and from a woman's point of view (momofthegoons), it's also an issue. For me, digital is just something more likely to go wrong. If they come out with a digital model, I won't be in any hurry to get one, and may not be interested period. As long as I know the vaping range, I don't really need numbers, just set points.
my thumbnail is almost non existent and it works fine. everyone has there own wish list I am perfectly happy with my cloud and don't plan on buying another vape maybe some different glass but that is it.
 
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