Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud

[oldiebutgoodie]

Not the first question I've seen about 'authorized Cloud dealers'. Just as stonemonkey learned about other vapes and what to use and what to avoid, he also learned what not to do concerning distribution, from the mistakes of other companies. I seriously doubt you'll see any on-line dealer selling the Cloud who isn't authorized. Certainly FC approved dealers like Vapornation, Vaporstore, and Puffitup are safe to buy from. Unlike with some distributors for vapes like the SSV/DBV, iolite, and Arizer vapes, there should not be any 'Cloud leakage' into the hands of lowball selling unauthorized resellers.

Many vape companies use a two-tier distribution model. The manufacturer has a contract with distributors. Distributors in turn recruit and have contracts with resellers; these resellers buy product from the distributors and do not have any direct relationship with the manufacturer. The discount structure to the distributor funds the recruiting/support/margin of its resellers.

Problems arise when the distributor competes directly with its own resellers or, in particular, when distributors are lax about who they accept as resellers and how closely they manage them. One well-known manufacturer has its product being sold on eBay and the like by resellers it does not know, and units for which its only record may be when it was shipped to a distributor. When this happens it can be very difficult to verify warranty claims.

I haven't seen yet whether VXL is allowing a two-tier model vs limiting its indirect sales strictly to distributors. While the former can drive greater volume, it can also be difficult to control and costly. It wouldn't be surprising that VXL starts with the latter and eventually builds the former. IMO what is important to us is that the channel be well managed so that the Cloud doesn't begin to proliferate through the hands of unauthorized and questionable resellers. Sounds like VXL understands that.

. . . Next I tried rolling the wax around in herb and putting it in with some other herb. That worked the best but my ELB's are still really sticky now. I don't see how I could do this multiple times between cleanings like I can with flower. . . .

I use this method and have found two tricks that help a lot. First is to thoroughly vape the load. This may seem obvious but what I discovered (duh) is that the wax lasts much longer than the flowers, so I try to use a ratio such that both are totally vaped off by the same time (and with no burnt taste from spent flowers). When I do this there is very little ABV left. Second I let the ELB dry out overnight after vaping. I find no stickiness the next day; using our little brush the ELB cleans out nicely. Doing the above requires ISO soak less often, even with the wax.

 

[John Lewus]

I use this method and have found two tricks that help a lot. First is to thoroughly vape the load. This may seem obvious but what I discovered (duh) is that the wax lasts much longer than the flowers, so I try to use a ratio such that both are totally vaped off by the same time (and with no burnt taste from spent flowers). When I do this there is very little ABV left. Second I let the ELB dry out overnight after vaping. I find no stickiness the next day; using our little brush the ELB cleans out nicely. Doing the above requires ISO soak less often, even with the wax.

Good suggestion. Do you also stir? I got another couple hits after stirring but it was a sticky stir. I am going to try cotton tonight since I have not actually tried that.

 

[green2brown]

Medicates your stomach? Please explain

I am happy to hear the cloud is your go to vape for concentrates. I really don't want another vape unless it somehow performs better than the cloud

I suffer from severe gastrointestinal distress on a constant basis and literally nothing but mmj helps the pain, discomfort, and bowel habits. Some vapes and methods of consumption (like using an oil rig) just give me a strong cerebral high with a mild body high, regardless of strain. With the Cloud, though, my stomach goes numb every single time. I think the Cloud is THE BEST method of medicating I've found. It's likely just more effective at releasing CBD, so it medicates me better. Not sure why that would be, but it's definitely a noticeable difference.

When using concentrate, I usually just load about a quarter ELB with ABV that I save up in a jar and toss the wax/oil/whatever on top with maybe a little more ABV on top of that to sandwich it. Surprisingly, the taste of the concentrate covers up any nasty ABV flavor and tastes as pure to me as the perfect temp Ti nail hit. The ELB sometimes gets a bit sticky from the oils, but usually it takes me 3 or 4 bowls before it needs to be cleaned.

I should add, for anyone who suffers from any GI problems, that when my Cloud died outside of warranty I purchased a different vape (one I expected A LOT from) because I was 1. angry and frustrated that my second Cloud had died on me and 2. too broke to afford a new Cloud immediately. Well, after 2 weeks I ordered another Cloud. I rely on mmj to allow me to function normally, even in the slightest. Two weeks without a Cloud was enough to make me realize that I rely on the Cloud equally as much.

 

[purplek]

I agree with green2brown. I as well use the cloud for treating a medical condition. Mine is getting repaired right now, and my old Buddha just can't get me to where the cloud can. In the mean time I will dab, but without my cloud on the side. I however am not as worried because oil gets the job done. I will just be using a lot more of it, which is also not an issue. If it's not shatter, it don't matter!

 

[b0]

We need to keep our system simple so that we are legally protected, the more complicated the more we need to pay our lawyers. This is our policy, simply buy from VapeXhale, ezvapes.com, vaporizors.ca, vapornation, vaporstore, and from any of our authorized distributors and this will not be a concern. Enjoy the clouds. Edit -- And soon to be http://www.australianvaporizers.com.au/, and some other international distributors as well

Now that you're starting to send Clouds to international distributors, when will you start selling it to international preorders?

 

[John Lewus]

I suffer from severe gastrointestinal distress on a constant basis and literally nothing but mmj helps the pain, discomfort, and bowel habits. Some vapes and methods of consumption (like using an oil rig) just give me a strong cerebral high with a mild body high, regardless of strain. With the Cloud, though, my stomach goes numb every single time. I think the Cloud is THE BEST method of medicating I've found. It's likely just more effective at releasing CBD, so it medicates me better. Not sure why that would be, but it's definitely a noticeable difference.

When using concentrate, I usually just load about a quarter ELB with ABV that I save up in a jar and toss the wax/oil/whatever on top with maybe a little more ABV on top of that to sandwich it. Surprisingly, the taste of the concentrate covers up any nasty ABV flavor and tastes as pure to me as the perfect temp Ti nail hit. The ELB sometimes gets a bit sticky from the oils, but usually it takes me 3 or 4 bowls before it needs to be cleaned.

I should add, for anyone who suffers from any GI problems, that when my Cloud died outside of warranty I purchased a different vape (one I expected A LOT from) because I was 1. angry and frustrated that my second Cloud had died on me and 2. too broke to afford a new Cloud immediately. Well, after 2 weeks I ordered another Cloud. I rely on mmj to allow me to function normally, even in the slightest. Two weeks without a Cloud was enough to make me realize that I rely on the Cloud equally as much.

Ok I got it... a medical condition. I am sorry to hear that. I am still trying to figure out the best strain/method for my neck pain and MMJ helps a lot but is not 100% every time. At least it cut down on my ibuprofen use in half which has consequently helped some of my stomach problems.

I do agree the cloud helps me out the best get to the level that I need which is why I don't want another vape just for concentrates I don't think it helps me with anything other than maybe being a bit more convenient but I think they are all messy.

Your post reminded me of something. If I am really hungry and I use the cloud I can actually go longer without eating. I can use the cloud and MMJ to control my hunger. I get the same cravings to eat but that is easier for me to control than controlling stomach pain telling me to eat. The next time I do a low carb cutting diet I am going to see how effectively the cloud can be for controlling hunger.

 

[ROSSTA]

If the original buyer takes care of the warranty request, he/she is still the owner as far as the company is concerned. They're not gonna ask if he/she still owns it, and he/she would be foolish to volunteer that info. The company's obgligation is to the original buyer, and as long as that's the deal, they don't really care who's actually using the unit.

If I were selling a product like the Cloud, while it was still under warranty, I'd offer to take care of any warranty repair, as long as the buyer was willing to pay the shipping cost.

Does this bring up a moral dilema? IMO I think it is taking advantage of the situation. You sold it, the buyer got a used product at a cheaper price. I dont know a single product that transfer's warrenties. Just curious of others opinion.

 

[green2brown]

Ok I got it... a medical condition. I am sorry to hear that. I am still trying to figure out the best strain/method for my neck pain and MMJ helps a lot but is not 100% every time. At least it cut down on my ibuprofen use in half which has consequently helped some of my stomach problems.

I do agree the cloud helps me out the best get to the level that I need which is why I don't want another vape just for concentrates I don't think it helps me with anything other than maybe being a bit more convenient but I think they are all messy.

Your post reminded me of something. If I am really hungry and I use the cloud I can actually go longer without eating. I can use the cloud and MMJ to control my hunger. I get the same cravings to eat but that is easier for me to control than controlling stomach pain telling me to eat. The next time I do a low carb cutting diet I am going to see how effectively the cloud can be for controlling hunger.

Have you tried a high CBD oil? I got one recently that was tested at 30% THC and 30% CBD (I know, I know, percentages aren't everything or necessarily even accurate given THCa and CBDa, but I think they're a good guideline) and it works phenomenally well for pain. And, coincidentally enough, I find that CBD is great for suppressing appetite, in contrast to THC which stimulates appetite. You may be able to to kill two birds with one stone if you get a similar high CBD oil. If you're in CA, PM me and I'll let you know where you can find some. It doesn't matter where in the state you live.

I haven't been able to try the CBD oil in the Cloud yet because I'm still waiting for my upgraded Plus to arrive. But it works wonders off a nail so I can only imagine how nice it'd feel out of the Cloud.

 

[mvapes]

Troi can you confirm that puffitup is an authorized dealer for Clouds? If they are not I need to cancel my order and dispute charge ASAP.

Randy is the fucking man! Your in good hands.

Troi I totally get what your saying - the more variables created in the benefit of the consumer will eventually create higher costs for production on your side which as we know will lead to higher prices to the consumer - hence keep it simple, let the cost allowance go to producing a solid device and do whats necessary to keep the customer somewhat comfortable. What I think is hard to grasp is most don't understand what it takes to surface or bring a device to the public and at the same time protect your companies best interest.

With absolutely NO DISRESPECT to our friends at MFLB - do you think they offer the warranty because of their kindness? Fuck no - the manufacturing cost on the device is so nominal that in essence what their selling already has the replacement cost fixed in to their P & L - they also know that at that price point most people would rather just buy a new one rather than go through the waiting period and the hassles of shipping- its win fucking win for the manufacturer. With the cloud that's not the case, the majority of the companies capital is directed at bringing a device to the table which many would agree is hands down the best vaporizer on the market. IMO - they chose the market they wanted to attack and I think they chose wisely.

If that means that I have to spend a little outta pocket to keep my cloud up to snuff and there's a potential that I may need to replace it someday then so be it - hence why I pack my cloud away like its a fucking baby.

 

[green2brown]

I will give that a try. My thought is that I will use Qtips with 99% iso to wipe off the tools that get sticky with wax, the sides of my grinder that get sticky, the inside of the bamboo and then rip off that tip and wrap with Wax to vape. That seems the most efficient way to reclaim and keep clean at the same time. I read on these forums that Qtips had real cotton but cotton balls were not. I never verified myself. Does anyone know for sure?

If you're going to use cotton, be sure it's organic cotton. Cotton is heavily doused with insecticides and pesticides so it's likely that non-organic cotton balls, swabs, etc will have trace contaminants.

 

[max]

Does this bring up a moral dilema? IMO I think it is taking advantage of the situation. You sold it, the buyer got a used product at a cheaper price. I dont know a single product that transfer's warrenties. Just curious of others opinion.

You're free to start a discussion on that topic in the Lounge if you like. We're not going to discuss it here. My statement was about what's possible and what's not. And considering that some people have damaged their units by accident in the past, and couldn't even get a repair even though they were willing to pay for it, I think it's perfectly acceptable for buyer and seller to work out a warranty repair if they choose. Put it in a sales contract if you like. As for transferable warranties, there are certainly products that have them. One example is the Magic Flight LB.

 

[John Lewus]

If you're going to use cotton, be sure it's organic cotton. Cotton is heavily doused with insecticides and pesticides so it's likely that non-organic cotton balls, swabs, etc will have trace contaminants.

Thanks for the tip. I will look out for this.

 

[oldiebutgoodie]

Good suggestion. Do you also stir? I got another couple hits after stirring but it was a sticky stir. I am going to try cotton tonight since I have not actually tried that.

Yes, I pull the cap and do a quick stir. I use a tool with a very thin long nose so little if any material sticks to it. Like you, I get another couple few hits that way.

Now that you're starting to send Clouds to international distributors, when will you start selling it to international preorders?

I can't speak for VXL of course, but IME this will be determined country by country. It probably won't be practical for VXL to sell direct into some countries, and in others it simply won't be possible. It wouldn't be surprising if VXL did most or even all of its business outside of North America through distributors. I would not presume that with release of an international Cloud it will also become available in my country at the same time; there may not yet be a distributor set up there.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

If you're going to use cotton, be sure it's organic cotton. Cotton is heavily doused with insecticides and pesticides so it's likely that non-organic cotton balls, swabs, etc will have trace contaminants.

this, and you can find them at amazon. just search organic cotton balls

 

[Slightly Medicated]

If you are going to use organic cotton I would recommend: Intrinsics Organic Cotton Roll. It is a 1lb roll of cotton similar to paper towels. You can just cut or tear off a little bit for your needs. I have had great success with that particular brand.

You can read more about it on their website: http://www.intrinsics.net/prod_organics.asp

 

[jambandphan03]

it's too bad there isn't a hemp version we could be using...

 

[John Lewus]

Great suggestion on the Organic cotton. I'll be on the lookout for something like this locally where I live.

 

[green2brown]

If you are going to use organic cotton I would recommend: Intrinsics Organic Cotton Roll. It is a 1lb roll of cotton similar to paper towels. You can just cut or tear off a little bit for your needs. I have had great success with that particular brand.

You can read more about it on their website: http://www.intrinsics.net/prod_organics.asp

Any recommendation for where specifically to purchase it?

 

[Slightly Medicated]

I buy it locally from Vitamin Store near me.

You can find a list of their local distribution places here: http://www.intrinsics.net/dealer_locator.asp

They also list a handful of online distributors on their site.

 

[t-dub]

Great suggestion on the Organic cotton. I'll be on the lookout for something like this locally where I live.

ok, so you all know how OCD t-dub is about cleaning and this resin/ring thingy. Well when using a naked q-tip to ream the bamboo while hot, the cotton scorched, vapor was released . . . I am not sure how far you can take that substrate . . .

Edit: My Cloud is an old ticker that runs hot

 

[Bob Loblaw]

ok, so you all know how OCD t-dub is about cleaning and this resin/ring thingy. Well when using a naked q-tip to ream the bamboo while hot, the cotton scorched . . . I am not sure how far you can take that substrate . . .

thanks for heads up, i have used cotton in an elb, but i stayed at 1.30 to keep away from such things. i also use them with my mcfinn's carbon filter. iirc, vitolo uses them in his 'cano after cleanings. might want to keep it on the low end tho, 'specially if different clouds have different temp ranges

EDiT - when you say naked, do you mean sans iso or other cleaning agent?

 

[green2brown]

ok, so you all know how OCD t-dub is about cleaning and this resin/ring thingy. Well when using a naked q-tip to ream the bamboo while hot, the cotton scorched, vapor was released . . . I am not sure how far you can take that substrate . . .

Edit: My Cloud is an old ticker that runs hot

Is it possible that the vapor was actually from the built up resin having new surface area exposed when being wiped with the q-tip? When I read your post I just immediately thought of dabbing, and how after clearing a dab, if you scrape the heated nail with a poker, some more vapor/smoke/whatever it is gets expelled.

 

[b0]

I can't speak for VXL of course, but IME this will be determined country by country. It probably won't be practical for VXL to sell direct into some countries, and in others it simply won't be possible. It wouldn't be surprising if VXL did most or even all of its business outside of North America through distributors. I would not presume that with release of an international Cloud it will also become available in my country at the same time; there may not yet be a distributor set up there.

Yeah I know, I'm sure they will work through national distributors, but I was asking because I think that preorders will be handled by them.

 

[MGG]

We need to keep our system simple so that we are legally protected, the more complicated the more we need to pay our lawyers. This is our policy, simply buy from VapeXhale, ezvapes.com, vaporizors.ca, vapornation, vaporstore, and from any of our authorized distributors and this will not be a concern. Enjoy the clouds. Edit -- And soon to be http://www.australianvaporizers.com.au/, and some other international distributors as well

When I heard this I found it to be very exciting news, but being by curious self I decided to partake in some investigation work and see if any of the australianvaporizers.com.au staff would have any inside knowledge about the release date that the users here at fuckcombustion weren't aware of.
Now don't take my word as gospel because i'm only repeating what I heard one of australianvaporizers representatives say. When asked when would the international cloud be ready to be shipped to him he said
"Probably 1-2 weeks" (quite a lot sooner than the suggested April 20th release). At the same time he said they probably wouldn't be on sale for "1 to 2 months" as apparently there's some "delays with the glass" or something. Now I'm just wondering, Vapexhale staff mentioned they were planning to release some beta models or something in the coming days prior to the release date. Is perhaps australiavaporizers stock going to be comprised of the beta units for the international version?

 

[t-dub]

Is it possible that the vapor was actually from the built up resin having new surface area exposed when being wiped with the q-tip? When I read your post I just immediately thought of dabbing, and how after clearing a dab, if you scrape the heated nail with a poker, some more vapor/smoke/whatever it is gets expelled.

The glass was clean, I was just screwing around, didn't expect the result at all . . .