Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO
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PoopMachine
Well-Known Member
SM said putting the dial at 12 when that happens basically resets the unit. Thats what Ive always done and its always worked.
At 12'oclock i am seeing light flavorful vapor but i still have not been able to get that whitewall milk rip that I've seen from so many videos. The hottest i have ran the unit so far has been 3'oclock and that was still light brown to dark yellow AVB. should i go ahead and turn my unit up to max and give it a go? im concerned about combustion but i think i may have received a unit that runs cold
i would appreciate if anyone has some general tips to make the device hit harder( tightness of bowl packed). Thanks for the help
i would appreciate if anyone has some general tips to make the device hit harder( tightness of bowl packed). Thanks for the help
Enchantre
Oil Painter
I am now thinking that the actual amount of tri/kief on the herb itself might affect how solid the vapor can get. Thus hash, kief, & concentrates give the whitewall effect... some herb may have plenty to achieve that, others might not.
Amount of visible vapor has no real correlation, for me, as to how effectively it works for me.
Amount of visible vapor has no real correlation, for me, as to how effectively it works for me.
lazylathe
Almost there...
lookmomnohands
Well-Known Member
sounds like your EVO runs similarly to mine. i would try FIAV's (
) advice to me here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vapexhale-cloud-evo.11357/page-154#post-585395helped a lot. especially since i was initially getting gold/yellow ABV at max. now i get some pretty light to dark brown ABV at 3'oclock. let me say though that I as well, have yet to get ultra white wall vapor. so i am wondering still if my unit is running colder than others, however....
i had not even considered how kief could be a factor in how our vapor milks. i also agree with her second notion, that regardless of not having super dragon clouds, this thing is still kicking my ass.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
Give the unit 20 min to build up a good thermal mass. Be sure your herb is dry (but not too dry) and has been fluffy ground/shredded (so not powdery). Use about a 1/3 load lightly tapped; packing the ELB restricts extraction. Take a primer hit, then try a long slow relaxed draw to fill your piece.
If you read back thru this thread you'll find many users who needed to work on technique at first, so you have lots of company. Probably most of us. But now, I don't need to hit the EVO "hard"; it does all the work for me (at 2-3 o'clock).
If it's still not performing as expected, open a Support Ticket with VXL and they will provide some coaching on technique. That's done the trick for many, and they will probably be able to tell you whether the unit needs adjustment or not.
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
I don't know about others, but I usually stir the load with a toothpick every couple of hits. Doing this really starts to break the bud up towards the end of the bowl, allowing for maximum surface area for maximum extraction.
I typically load my bowl 1/2 full, unpacked. I start the session at noon, and bump the temp up to 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock, and finishing on 3 o'clock after every few hits.
By the end, I'm left with wonderfully even, very light coffee color.
As others have mentioned also, I typically leave the unit on for close to 10 minutes on max before starting my session. As I walk in the door, I just flick on the EVO and go about my business. By the time I sit down, I turn the temp back down and begin. That way I start out at full thermal mass. Definitely not necessary, but I like having the unit at full throttle from the start
There are many ways to enjoy the EVO. Sometimes I load in enough for one hit, and with the EVO at 3 o'clock, kill it in one pull. The bud will usually be a lighter gold color after this, but I'm unable to get anything else out of it. But my usual method of attack is one very large ELB that takes quite a few hits to finish off, bumping the temp up throughout the process.
Perhaps the darker color is partially a result of longer exposure to the heat, but with no real difference in extraction? As long as you're getting vaped, don't worry about the color
Also, I really don't ever get white walls on the first hit, when I start with a large bowl at noon. That first hit is absolutely tasty, and the second is when things start to get going. Definitely a different story if I'm doing a 1-hit cash bowl at 3, massive clouds right away.
A question for others. Do you typically pull the ELB out of the EVO between hits? I'm pretty neurotic about always removing it. Only exceptions would be if I'm immediately passing it to someone else.
I typically load my bowl 1/2 full, unpacked. I start the session at noon, and bump the temp up to 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock, and finishing on 3 o'clock after every few hits.
By the end, I'm left with wonderfully even, very light coffee color.
As others have mentioned also, I typically leave the unit on for close to 10 minutes on max before starting my session. As I walk in the door, I just flick on the EVO and go about my business. By the time I sit down, I turn the temp back down and begin. That way I start out at full thermal mass. Definitely not necessary, but I like having the unit at full throttle from the start
There are many ways to enjoy the EVO. Sometimes I load in enough for one hit, and with the EVO at 3 o'clock, kill it in one pull. The bud will usually be a lighter gold color after this, but I'm unable to get anything else out of it. But my usual method of attack is one very large ELB that takes quite a few hits to finish off, bumping the temp up throughout the process.
Perhaps the darker color is partially a result of longer exposure to the heat, but with no real difference in extraction? As long as you're getting vaped, don't worry about the color
Also, I really don't ever get white walls on the first hit, when I start with a large bowl at noon. That first hit is absolutely tasty, and the second is when things start to get going. Definitely a different story if I'm doing a 1-hit cash bowl at 3, massive clouds right away.
A question for others. Do you typically pull the ELB out of the EVO between hits? I'm pretty neurotic about always removing it. Only exceptions would be if I'm immediately passing it to someone else.
I try to take them out if I know I'm not going to freight a few hits. My problem is remembering to put the ELB back in along the way. I can't tell you how many times I take a huge hit of nothing - yeah, it's really smooth but nothing is there. Usually at least once a session I take a Phantom Phat hit.
I even have forgotten to place the "hat" on the elb, and I have sucked plant matter into my glass, or dump it in an inverse setup to get into my glass. Some of us are less gifted than others.
I even have forgotten to place the "hat" on the elb, and I have sucked plant matter into my glass, or dump it in an inverse setup to get into my glass. Some of us are less gifted than others.
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Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Ha! Funny you mention that
This Easter/4/20, I brought the EVO with my bubbler to my parent's place. Later in the evening, everyone's feeling mighty fine thanks to the EVO. I pass the EVO to my brother. After he hits it for a long time, he stops and looks perplexed. "I'm not getting anything" he says. I turn the lights on and discover the full ELB in the bubbler. I had forgotten to put the cap back on the ELB...doh!First time that's happened, I guess the EVO was in full force that night! I've taken a phantom hit or two in my time too. Usually by the time that happens though, it's time to turn it off and head to bed
So basically i should leave my unit on max for 15-20 minutes then back off to around 3 and give it a try? i feel like i have been to hesitant to heat it all of the way up. Im flying an airplane in a few hours (so i cant test now) but when i get home later ill give it a shot and take a video.
As far as the erb goes my buds are really high quality and very resinous so i think the problem is my technique (or i got a cold unit)
As far as the erb goes my buds are really high quality and very resinous so i think the problem is my technique (or i got a cold unit)
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
I would definitely try leaving your unit on max for 15 minutes, to see if that improves things for you. Once the unit's good and hot, try experimenting with different temps. I see no reason to be hesitant about heating your EVO all the way up. The only real issue with units over heating and cracking the bamboo has been an international issue, not a domestic one.
Like I mentioned, I typically start in the noon range, and finish at about 3, 3:30 for a larger ELB to get the full spectrum. If I want to cash an ELB in one hit, I put in a smaller amount, and hit it at 3.
Just to be clear, I can still get tasty hits from my EVO pretty much immediately after it goes green. But if I want those massive, white walled, dragon cloud hits, then the EVO needs to have been on for a bit and be fully heat soaked. That's been my experience at least.
Like I mentioned, I typically start in the noon range, and finish at about 3, 3:30 for a larger ELB to get the full spectrum. If I want to cash an ELB in one hit, I put in a smaller amount, and hit it at 3.
Just to be clear, I can still get tasty hits from my EVO pretty much immediately after it goes green. But if I want those massive, white walled, dragon cloud hits, then the EVO needs to have been on for a bit and be fully heat soaked. That's been my experience at least.
Nc710
Member
A Santa Cruz shredder grinder help's a lot! Another good point is the sticky icky needs to sit out. Everyone has different techniques but I like my flowers ground and out 4 to 6 days ahead of time. My mom was having the same issue you are having with her Evo. She was also hesitant to let it get to full temp, it really starts rocking after the core temp gets up. I toggle the switch to reset the timer after a sesh and let it run all day
plazmablast
Member
Hey my only complaint so far is using the Evo on small surfaces such as my desk, its not too huge but with the cord being so stiff and springy I am afraid its going to fall off by accident one day, is there any problem with replacing the power cord? I would hope to find a nice flexible cord that will not be so stiff. If not its fine not too huge of a problem, just gotta take a few extra precautions when setting it down. Lastly how much will the hydrofoot 2.0 run for?
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Sinclue
OK disagree with me, I can't force you to be right
Lots of us have replaced our cords. A "search" of this thread should lead you to plenty of options. Or you may have an old computer power cord that would fit. Almost anything is easier to get in and out than the stock cord. I have a couple of 15' ones around the house (I got red ones so I can spot them easier) and I can just unplug at the EVO and move to another spot. I have a 4' at my "work" station.
As I recall the hydrafoot 2.0 went for about $200
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plazmablast
Member
I feel so dumb, earlier I took literally 5 hits without the bowl in... I thought the temp was just low and there wasnt any vapor forming hah
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Seek
Apprentice Daydreamer
One time, I've hit an ELB so strong I've pulled out the cap with my lungpower and got this result lol.
So this can happen even with the cap on. Yes, it was quite loose, so after that, I poked it to make it fit tighter.
Never happened again. So one can learn ELB caps shouldn't be too loose.
today my evo at one point got stuck with both the green and red lights on simoltaneously. never saw that before. i unplugged it and let it cool down for a little while and it hasn't done it since.
just now it's been plugged in for about 5 minutes. i noticed the light went out and blinked off/red alternating slowly. again i unplugged it and reset it and it got up to green and seemed to work normally.
should i be worried?
just now it's been plugged in for about 5 minutes. i noticed the light went out and blinked off/red alternating slowly. again i unplugged it and reset it and it got up to green and seemed to work normally.
should i be worried?
pittiserria
Truth Warrior
I don't see how it can be a positive process to the trichomes. Pre-grinding your herbs a few days in advance is most definitely not recommended.
plazmablast
Member
Isnt that just the signal that it went into auto shut off mode? After around 55min or something apparently it will flash red and green. Just gotta flip the switch and it should be back to normal.
oldiebutgoodie
Apostle, Church of Vaporization
No guarantees, but I don't think so. My unit does this, or perhaps more precisely described, it looks like the green/red are quickly alternating and it sort of blurs together. Does that when it's timed out. Sometimes as was discussed earlier at length, several factors can work together to confuse the sensor. Turning the unit off, setting the dial to noon, pausing a few moments, and toggling back on usually resets it.
fluffhead
Recovering Idealist
Since I've gotten my Evo back I wanted to share my experiences. It is especially interesting with some of the "cold" evo talk. With my newly updated Evo, the ABV never gets very dark at all. Heat soaked on max for 30 minutes provides bigger hits etc and the effect I am looking for, but the ABV still comes out relatively light compared to my old bamboo as well as other vapes. Certainly not dark, like many of us are used to and expect. My HT also gets less milked now than it did before I sent it in. Don't get me wrong, there is still plenty of visible vapour, but it doesn't seem to have quite the density as before.
However, since it gave me the effect that comes with high temp vaping (which is most important to me), I wanted to do further experimenting. For science, of course.
I have recently gotten a lotus as a side-vape/back up for my evo since I wasn't pleased with my other options. The lotus has the capacity to have temps go up to and beyond combustion. So for the last few nights I have taken my bedtime abv from the EVO and put it in the lotus to test if there were any actives left. There basically wasn't! I have gotten very good at taking the lotus close to combustion without taking it over. And to get any further wisps out of the Evos abv, I had to bring the lotus to a point where I was risking combustion. In fact, last night I was doing testing and the abv combusted without providing any further vapour. So to me, that means that my evo extracts perfectly well without ever risking combustion. I also never get the high temp burnt popcorn taste out of it. So I get good tasting vapour, completely extracted ABV without risk of combustion and the effect I am looking for. Sounds great to me! The fact that my ABV never gets very dark is now of no concern to me. I'll admit, it was until I did my testing.
If people are looking for visual clues then they might be missing important data for observation. I know people look to brown abv and major milking for extraction, but it seems my Evo is doing the extraction without the other two. That's not to say everyone's Evo that doesn't produce dark abv is working right. But to me, testing with another vape that you know can completely extract would be a good start. It would be a shame for people to send in their Evos for repair and have any down time if its working correctly. Down time from my Evo was a sad place.
TL;DR - If your Evo doesn't turn ABV dark, it still might be extracting completely.
However, since it gave me the effect that comes with high temp vaping (which is most important to me), I wanted to do further experimenting. For science, of course.
I have recently gotten a lotus as a side-vape/back up for my evo since I wasn't pleased with my other options. The lotus has the capacity to have temps go up to and beyond combustion. So for the last few nights I have taken my bedtime abv from the EVO and put it in the lotus to test if there were any actives left. There basically wasn't! I have gotten very good at taking the lotus close to combustion without taking it over. And to get any further wisps out of the Evos abv, I had to bring the lotus to a point where I was risking combustion. In fact, last night I was doing testing and the abv combusted without providing any further vapour. So to me, that means that my evo extracts perfectly well without ever risking combustion. I also never get the high temp burnt popcorn taste out of it. So I get good tasting vapour, completely extracted ABV without risk of combustion and the effect I am looking for. Sounds great to me! The fact that my ABV never gets very dark is now of no concern to me. I'll admit, it was until I did my testing.If people are looking for visual clues then they might be missing important data for observation. I know people look to brown abv and major milking for extraction, but it seems my Evo is doing the extraction without the other two. That's not to say everyone's Evo that doesn't produce dark abv is working right. But to me, testing with another vape that you know can completely extract would be a good start. It would be a shame for people to send in their Evos for repair and have any down time if its working correctly. Down time from my Evo was a sad place.
TL;DR - If your Evo doesn't turn ABV dark, it still might be extracting completely.